Conference 7.286::sports_90

    Geez, another sissy sport topic!  BOSS, where are you?
    
    Claybone

    Claybroon, rowing cain be manly.  Nothing is manlier than rowing
    the dory into a lily-pad laden cove around 7 in the evening with
    a weedless frog on the end of one's rod (quiet 'Saw), a wad of manly
    Red Man peenched between cheek and gum, a rack of Rolling Rock in
    da cooler and a stringer of large mouth bass in the dry well.
    
    Mark.

    True indication of rowing being a manly sport - it's an event
    in the Superstars competition...
    
    How many jockeys or race car drivers do well in the superstars?

    I stand corrected LeFave!  However, you need to substitute a
    chartruse spinner bait for the frog and Skoal for the Red Man.
    
    "You get a line and I'll get a pole.........."
    
    Claybroon

    Okay, I knew that I'd get a lot of flack for the title and the opening
    comments.  For the record I obviously wasn't serious about my swipe at
    other sports---but for the sake of argument :
    
    	Let's take a good look at the popular manly sports:  baseball,
    basketball, and football.  
    
    	I played baseball up until I started rowing about 5 years ago. 
    Baseball requires no physical exertion.  Oh but professional baseball
    is a real man's sport.  I see a great case for that argument in Darryl 
    Strawberry.  Talk about crybabies this guy takes the cake.  When the
    BoSox crowd chanted Darryl in the W.S. a few years ago, he reminded me
    of seeing a little girl who couldn't find her Barbie doll and was about
    to break into tears at any moment.  Real intimidating character, yeah
    right.
    
    	Basketball does have a lot of incredible athletes for sure. It also
    has a lot of weenies playing at the NBA level too.   Look at who's won
    the past 2 NBA champions.  You have Bill LAMObeer who thinks he's some
    tough guy just because he's always the ugliest guy on the court. 
    Remember when he got floored a few years back by a half slap from the
    Celtics'(real men) Robert Parish.  He stayed on the floor wimpering and
    holding his nos like a little pretty boy.  Speaking of pretty boys, or
    girls and basketball, I heard a rumor that Isiah Thomas would be
    moonlighting as the NBA's new kissing bandit.  I'd say that that whole
    team combined has the masculinity of a female synchronized swimmer.
    
          Football has a lot of great athletes and tough guys --I'll give
    it that; but it also has some incredible non-athletes.  William the
    refridge Perry, what did he snack on to stay in top physical condition
    --Crisco covered lard bars?  Every team has a few out of shape louses
    who come into camp about 30 lbs. over what they were supposed to come
    back at after their tough summer training!
    
         Rowing, on the other hand, is one of the only true sports left. 
    At top college and national team level, it takes year round
    cardiovascular and strength training.  There's no glory to rowing; 
    it only gets crucified by Hollywood-- i.e. Rob Blowe in "Oxford Blues".
    In the book the Shell Game, it tells of an Olympic Japanes crew who
    rowed a race at 50 strokes a minute(that's slightly extraterrestial). 
    A few guys croaked at the dock and the rest of the crew bit it shortly
    afterwards. They lost too.(supposedly documented in Guinness Book of
    World Records).  There are usually ambulances at the finish line of
    most college champonships.  BUT MOST importantly rowers know how to
    party after the race is over.
    
        I may not have the world's greatest tolerance but that's why I'm a
    lightweight.
    
    Tom

    What about the manliest sport around.  Cow chip throwing.  Think
    of the pain threshold from holding your breath during the whole
    event, the exillerating experience of seeing your chip fly like
    a discuss.  
    
    The cost to practice the event is very high.  You either ship the
    chips in from some farm, which will cost a pretty penny, or you
    have your own farm and need to feed the cow.
    
    The greatest cow chip thrower of all time, Jack "Cactus" Longhorn,
    revolutionized the event when he learned that soaking the chip would
    actually reduce the weight of the chip during flight because pieces
    would fall off.
    
    So, in conclusion, the next time you compare manly sports, include
    cow chip throwing.
    
    The Wizard

    Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, this should be GOOD!!!  :*)
    
    Lee

           
    Re:  .5, .6
    
    "HAHAHAHAHAHAH(tm)", he said, wiping his morning coffee off the
    screen, and blotting at the front of his shirt and pants.
    
    Dickster
    

    	There's lots of folks in SPORTS who would excel at "Cow Chip
    Throwing".  They could probably be champions.
    
    				/Don

    When's that new /Don Championship Techniques of Cow Chip Throwing
    Workout Video being released?
    
    H�wk

    
    re .6
    It was truly inexcusable of me to not mention cow chip throwing while
    speaking of baseball, basketball, and football.  It certainly does
    require more athletic talent than the other sports I mentioned(except
    rowing).  
    
    BUT  cow chip throwers are just a bunch of pansies.  They're little
    girlies who are afraid to get their hands dirty.  Now, if they were
    real men,  they wouldn't act like women and wait for the chips to dry, 
    they'd get right to the competition while the chips were still fresh;
    plus it would be more of a challenge to throw those babies. My
    conclusion is that cow chip throwers are manly athlete wanna be's, and
    until they get down and dirty--they ain't bad, they ain't nothing. 
    
       Don't mean to be too harsh on them, but this is just one man's
    opinion.
    
    
    Tom
                                   

    This is pretty funny. Imagine someone calling "rowing" a manly sport
    when the participants are a bunch of spoiled skinny little rich kids 
    with runny noses and names like "skippy" and girlfriends named "buffy".
    
    Yeah, right...real manly. They all wear DOCKERS when they aren't rowing
    and when they are rowing they probably wear those speedo bathing suits.
    
    JoJ

    
    When the chips are down, SLOF-slingers always come out smellin'
    like roses.
    
    Dickster
    

    HAHAHAHA!!!  JoS (Jim on Speedo)!
    
    This cracks me up!  Just lasted week, my 6 year old boy was "outfitted"
    with a speedo style swimsuit to wear for swim meets this summer.  He
    tried it on at the swim club, then insisted on wearing it during the
    free swim period, not realizing the abuse he was about to endure, and
    me not warning him!  HAHAHA!!!!  Ten minutes later, I see him walking
    around with a towel wrapped around his waist.  I was rolling!
    
    Also, when I was visiting my relatives in Hungary 7 years ago, I went
    to one of the local outdoor public pools.  (Swimming is real big over
    there- public pools all over the place).  Anyway, here I was in my
    typical American gym shorts style swimsuit and all eyes were on me.  I
    then realized that all the "natives" were wearing "underwear"!  :-)
    
    I am rolling big time!
    
    H�wk

    Glad your son came to his senses...now at least he's not destined to be
    a rower.
    
    JoJ

    Clearly, JoJ hit the nail on the head regarding rowing being a brat
    sport.  Not only do rowers wear Dockers and penny loafers, but they
    cain also be seen wearing the Izod 'gator shirs with the collars
    all folded up so they cain impersonate their fave Big Chill characters.
    
    In fack, I bet some yuppoid (tm pending) crew sissy will come up
    with some marketing scheme to manufacture and sell Big Chill Action
    Figures, with JD as the role model.
    
    ...stroke....stroke....stroke....
    
    
    Mark.

    Tom,
    
    	So you rowers really know how to party eh?  I didn't know
    	tea and crumpets could be so exciting.........do you guys
    	curl your pinkies whilst partying?  And where on earth
    	would you girly-mons find a bar that has Shirley Temples
    	on tap?
    
    Claybone  :^)

    Yo Lufay at the Dub you was wear'in a polo shirt. If it were'nt for
    Hoot and Riggen I'd have thought you was a typical LUFAY
    (Lame,Uninspiring,Friggin,A__hole,Yuppy) but to yer credit you did make
    us laugh wif dem Wardle jokes.
    
    The only time rowing is a sport is if you is rowing out to the middle
    of a lake to do some fishing.

    	Fishing ain't a sport, it's an excuse to drink beer.
    
    				/Don

    In a serious vain, according to a survey, rowing is the sport with
    the most affluent afficienodos, as the average income of rowers
    exceeds $100,000.  Clearly a yuppie sport.  They all remind me of
    Lufay - drvie volvos, listen to classic rock, and wear velour shots,
    polo shirts, yacht caps, and loafers with no socks.  
    
    JD

    < Note 285.20 by CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ "FriendsDontLetFriendsListenToRap" >


>    Yo Lufay at the Dub you was wear'in a polo shirt. 
 
    With Claywad as my witness, you and your wuss-ball pals were wearing
    the polo shirts.   I was wearing manly fatigues.
    

    Mark.

    JD, what are velour shots?
    
    Mark.

    Yo JD, you described Lufay right down to the penny in his loafer's, you
    missed the yellow sweater around his neck 'tho. Was you hid'n
    somewhere? You shoulda came out and said somefin, but I cain see your
    emarrassment over Lufay.
    
    You was say'in how you admired my soccer friend cause you'd never do
    anything to sweat, cuz it might ruin the smell of the perfume you wear.
    

    Jesse,
    
    It's a good thing you're there and I'm here.  Otherwise I'd be there
    and you'd be here.
    
    Hope this helped.
    
    Mark.

    I understand your jealousy guys, not everyone can be a real athlete such
    as myself.  Cast stones if you want to; I'm a real man and don't need
    to lash out out at others to cover my athletic insecurities.  By the way,
    kids that row crew aren't a bunch of skinny little rich kids named Biff
    wearing speedos while drinking Shirley Temples and eating crumpets.
    
    Most of my friends are a lot like myself: definitely not rich, never..
    never..never thought of wearing a speedo if my life depended on it. 
    Most rowers are lean, but I'm not.  I'm more short and stocky(Busch
    beer--when on sale)  
    To be serious though, when you have a sport controlled by the Ivy
    League and a few other schools(Wisco + co.), you better believe there
    are some ridiculously sappy kids that are involved in it.  There are
    some real Dicksters out there.  I'll look at my program and write in
    some of the more ridiculous names I find next week.
    
    Hawk, I would never let a son of mine get caught wearing a speedo.  You
    know the saying--like father like son.
    
    Mark, you know a lot more about yups + the Big Chill than me.  You must
    be confusing rowers with frat brats.  Are you one? 
    
    JD can stereotype vs. making a lot of money... A $100,000 a year...I'll
    take it if all I have to do is wear preppy clothes and listen to
    classic rock. Pretty deep observation.
    
    Lastly JoJ, I wouldn't talk about names.  Look at your pen name.....
    JoJo Starbuck...    Are you trying to tell us something?
    
    
                                                     

    Was Lufay wearin' his preppie-lookin' glasses, along with the polo
    shirt, velour shorts, pennied penny loafers, and yellow cardigan draped
    across the back with arms tied around his neck?  Oh, and what about the
    hair?
    
    :-)
    
    H�wk

    re:  Like father like son.....
    
    Hey, if I had my son's bod, I definitely would wear a speedo!  You
    shoulda heard the comments coming from the teeny bopper girls after
    seeing my kid in that speedo.  If he only knew what I know!  
    
    I'm proud to know that this boy came from these here loins!  :-)
    
    H�wk

    re:  ronald
    
    First, I hope you realize that folks are doing good-natured ribbing
    and bashing, as is prevelant in this note.
    
    Second, the monetary number is real, rowing has the highest per-capita
    income among participants - since that's an average, of course there
    are lower income personalities involved, heck I went to Northeastern
    and they always have a decent crew team, and only a few of the guys
    were named Chip!  ;-)
    
    Rowing is a sport identified with Prep schools and the Ivy League
    - and it is a BIG prep school sport.  Not one high school where
    I lived had a crew  team, but the prep school did.
    
    JD

    Ok Ronald, so you're a poor fat rower. Definitely an exception to the
    preppie rule. Now I understand why you don't wear speedos. 
    
    BTW - I heard the Scorpions used to be a crew team....any troof(tm) to
    this Frankwa?
    
    JoJ

    I apologize if I sounded like I wasd serious, I was just trying to get
    you guys razzed.  I don't take offense to anything--except mother
    jokes(just kidding).  My name is Tom , I forgot to sign the last reply
    that I had written, and I'm on a different node.  Anyways, for the
    record I do agree that there are a lot of rich kids in crew, and that
    it is confined to mostly Catholic H.S's and the academies but there is
    a growing # of public school programs starting to emerge.
    
         I hope what I had said didn' offend anyone; and don't worry about
    me taking anything seriously(even crew--while I'm at work).
    
           Tom 

     
    >   are some ridiculously sappy kids that are involved in it.  There are
    >   some real Dicksters out there.  I'll look at my program and write in
     
    Ouch! I'm offended!
    
    I am *not* a kid.  But I am, at times, known to both riduculous
    and sappy.  8^)
    
    Dickster
    

    Crew was real big in the area high schools when I grew up.  This was in
    Poughkeepsie, NY, which is right on the mighty Hudson River.  Actually,
    my high school, which is Catholic, didn't participate due to not having
    it's own boats (shells?).  And even if they did have boats, they'd need
    a boat house.
    
    I used to enjoy watching the races on saturday afternoons.  Gave me a
    reason to go drink my Maximus Supers down by the river......
    
    H�wk

>    Hawk, I would never let a son of mine get caught wearing a speedo.  You
>    know the saying--like father like son.
 
    Ignore Huck.  Outta one side of his face he criticizes yuppies,
    then outta the other the raves about his new Bimma-wannabee.
       
>    Mark, you know a lot more about yups + the Big Chill than me.  You must
>    be confusing rowers with frat brats.  Are you one? 
    
    I don't belong to a frat.  I belong to a *fraternity*.  A manly
    one at that.  :^)
    
>     JD can stereotype vs. making a lot of money... A $100,000 a year...I'll
>    take it if all I have to do is wear preppy clothes and listen to
>    classic rock. Pretty deep observation.

    You'll have to understand JD to know where he's coming from.  As
    soon as someone figures this out we'll let you know.  Suffice it
    to say, the man is a physical specimen.
        
>    Lastly JoJ, I wouldn't talk about names.  Look at your pen name.....
>    JoJo Starbuck...    Are you trying to tell us something?

    Wardle is a frustrated couch-potato arm-chair quarterback.  He holds
    the New Jersey record for stacking plates on one's butt.
    
    Mark.    
    

    
    maximus supuers, god  drink 3 of them and rozane barr looked like
     jamie lee curtis
    
    
    

    Claywad witness here........
    
    	Mark is correct.  Why, he even made the rental car place
    	get him a '57 GMC pick up truck w/ gun rack.  Made me
    	proud to know him!
    
    Claybone

    LeFave,
    
    	What frat was that?  Tappa-Kegga?
    
    Claybroon

    Thanks Claybone.  Us manly hunter-types must set the record straight.
    Jesse went wimpering home after my rent-a-truck sprayed mud all
    over his Yugo.
    
    Mark.

    < Note 285.39 by GENRAL::WADE "ButItry,andItry,andItry,ANDITRY..." >


>    	What frat was that?  Tappa-Kegga?

    I Phelta Thi
    
    Mark.

    Clay,
    
    Mark was in K-Y Benda Ova
    
    HTH
    
    JD

    re: Tom
    
    Do you mind if we call you Ronald? It's such a "crew team kinda name".
    
    JoJ

    Hey JoJ, do you mind if Lufay calls you Butthaid?  :-)
    
    H�wk

    JoJ,
    
    I'm a flexible kind of guy, and you can call me whatever you want. 
    Now, I'm really gonna get some abuse.
    I have a stupid ?. What does JoJ stand for?  And what is Lufay?
    
    
    Tom

    JoJ is the Butthaid.
    
    Homeboy.

Now if I could rap
I'd tell ya a fact
that crew is tough
when ya do it in the buff. 
But when Vane
calls Ronald a name 
and Lufay keeps them guessin 
about how he's dressing. 
We got's a SPORTS day 
that's looking like a slow day. 


Jeff

    < Note 285.47 by RSST6::RIGGEN "Burley from biking" >
                               -< TOO LIVE CREW >-

>Now if I could rap...
    
    You cain't.
    
    Homeboy.

    Tom-Ronald,
    
    JoJ = Jim on Jets
    
    LuFay = the way ::SPORTS folks pronounce Lefebvre (it's actually 
    	    pronounced Lefave.....right Homeboy?)
    
    JoJ and JD are both BUTTHAIDS
    
    Claybone is a fine figure of a man.  Claybone is a great hunter.
    
    	That is all you need to know......for now.
    
    Claybone  ;^)

 Claybone is a fine figure of a man.  Claybone is a great hunter. 
                    ^^^^^^      ^^^

what's this shiiit Clay, I heard your real fat since your knees are bad...

Yea CALYBONE hunts Biscuits n Gravy. 

    
    
    >>>JoJ = Jim on Jets
    
    	Hey, if you guys really want to have fun, ask JOJ if he'll please
    put you on his JETS.DIS mail list. You have to ask *real* nice or else
    he won't put you on..... heh..heh..heh..
    
    JimH
    
    

    
    Claybone,
     Thanks for the clarification on the lingo.  For a while there I
    thought that this might be an all out war over manly vs sissy sports.
    Now it's just a war.  Anyways have any of you real men out there ever
    rowed before?
    
    
    Tom           {the short and fat kid} 5' 7" 160lbs.
    

    I've done much white water canoeing, but that's probably too manly
    for you crew types.
    
    :^)
    

    
    Homeboy.

    A couple other things that you should know, Tom, that it's proper
    ::Sports etiquette to (1) when a team wins a champeenship, you must
    congratulate that team by writing "congrats" in that team's note, and
    (2) when the team that you picked to win loses the big one, you must go
    directly to the "crow" note and acknowledge your presence by saying
    something to the effect that you're there for a big helping, how you
    want it cooked, and make sure you say how lousy it tastes ("blech" does
    the job nicely).
    
    Then JoJ will put you on his @Jets.dis.
    
    Hope this helps.
    
    H�wk

   DEC::SPORTS for $500

   Then JoJ will put you on his @Jets.dis.
    

   What is the main reason most DEC employees remain read-only ::SPORTS-noters ?

    re.53
    Yeah, canoeing is a little too rough to suite my sophisticated taste,
    Homes,You know what I mean.  I like to whip out the old tea & crumpets
    while I'm rowing and have A good old rocking time.  Canoeing just
    wouldn't give me the freedom I need.  Seriously though,  is that a
    pretty tough upper body workout?
    
    Thanks for filling me in on the "crow " note.  I hope that JoJ doesn't
    put his money on the Jets, else he's probably a regular at that note.
    
    I'll be nice to him though and join him if I ever have to go for the
    helping.
    
    Tom
     

    re.56
    The title of .56 wasmy pick for this topic.  Yale won it this year.
     
    Tom       {Maybe I'll pass on Jets.dia after all}

    Jets.dia is a joke, right Tom?  HAHAHA!!!
    
    Jets.dia = Jets.diarrhea  :-)
    
    H�wk

Wow!  58 replies to the crew topic!  I'm really psyched.  I hope I haven't
missed anything stimulating by nexted unseening through it but I've got one
hand devoted to tea and the other to crumpets so all I can do is hit the nexted
unseen with my nose.

Boy, I remember the good old days rowing Penn lightweight.  Wind whistling,
lovely smell of tea and crumpets wafting through the shell from up front, where
the coxswain was warming them in the microwave.  Combined with the heavenly
scent of the Schuylkill (damn, I've forgotten how to spell it), we had some
lovely early morning cruises.

Well, ta ta for now.  I'll check in after the next Henley regatta.

Biff

    re .59
    
    They just can't appreciate the sophisticated side of the sport, though. 
    All of that winter training in intense hopscotch competitions was just
    too rigorous for a nonrower to understand.
    
    How long ago did you row at PENN, and what did you think of the old
    man?  
    
    Oh yeah, the heavyweight frosh coach found a dead body doing a little body
    surfing down the Schuykill earlier this spring, good 'ole Phillie.
    
    Tom
    

     I aint no butthaid - I'm MR. LATS - the most awesome male specimen
    in this here note - right Lufay, /Don, and Hawk!
    
    JD

    Jeffrey,
    
    	Ever see the movie "Jeremiah Johnson"?  Remember the scene
    	where he teaches his new Indian bride the word "yes"?  That's
    	where the *shiiiit* comes from. 
    
    	And who told you I wuz fat?  Tis a lie!  My knees are hurting
    	though. 
    
    	I could still outrun JoJ wif my bad knees and a fridge on my
    	back (I know....that ain't sayin' much).
    
    Claybone

Caly_bone a great hunter???????  HA!!!! I laugh in your crumpets and tea!!!

Clay_bone_Wadeing_in_it_up_to_his_armpits, when was the last time you got
a full curl ram (not the twelve ounce variety), when did you last get a 
Colorado Grand Slam (Deer, Elk, Antelope) in the same year?   You probably
been SKUNKED for more years than you been huntin.....

JoJ isn't....It is really Jo*..... the original VANE......  at least we won't
have to worry about him becomeing JoB untill after the next SuperBowl.....

And Soccer is the REAL sport of true athletes.......

an nobody west of the Appalachians ever even HEARD of this stupid crew rowing
garbage note material junk type sporting event.....

You yoyos ever heard of a really manly sport called rodeo bull riding????
And that is pronounced RO' de o, not no sissified ro DE' o, you guys got that
right now???

	Ed^2

    
    Pending /Don's concurrence, I've decided that rowing is a sport.
    Notice that ::Straged guy and chainsaw haven't been manly enough
    to show up in here (although this will probably bring the wimps
    in).
    
    BOSS  

>>    How long ago did you row at PENN

I rowed lightweight in 1977 and 1978 (god, that's a long time ago!).  Used to
do 100 pushups in the sauna to get down to 165.  (Now I'd have to do a 100 day
starvation diet to get there).  We really stunk back then.  I have one shirt to
show for my toils.  The heavyweights were much better.  They had a couple of
guys go to the olympics.  Bruce Knopka may still be hanging around the
boathouse.

>>    Oh yeah, the heavyweight frosh coach found a dead body doing a little body
>>    surfing down the Schuykill earlier this spring, good 'ole Phillie.

If we found him, we probably would have given him a seat and an oar.

j.

�
�    Claybroon, rowing cain be manly.  Nothing is manlier than rowing
�    the dory into a lily-pad laden cove around 7 in the evening with
�    a weedless frog on the end of one's rod (quiet 'Saw), a wad of manly
�    Red Man peenched between cheek and gum, a rack of Rolling Rock in
�    da cooler and a stringer of large mouth bass in the dry well.
   

"Frog on the Rod, Frog on the Rod!!!"

"Fire in the hole, Fire in the hole"

I haven't read all the replies, but rowing is a pretty tough sport.

Several guys here in the office have been heavily involved in
rowing, and it's not an easy sport.  The coordination and form
aspects are tough enough, not to mention strength and endurance....

HTH,
'Saw

    FRankwa, the Scorpions are rowers...how tough could it be.
    
    re: RONALD::VENDER
    
    You cain(tm) thank J_HALPIN for helping you to get on my JETS.DIS. 
    I've already added your name. There will be a spectacular issue coming
    out just before GIANTSMANIA. Look for it on a VAX near you.
    
    re: Jo*
    
    I am not the original 'vane. Dinz is. In fack(tm), I'm not even a
    'vane. These guys are just picking on me cuz all my favorite teams are
    in first place. It really pisses them off.
    
    re: Claywad(tm)
    
    Clay, baby, how many times did you catch me lasted time we played
    football? Lemme help ya count....ZERO.  How many times did I give you a
    little fake and leave you in the dust? Lemme help ya again...ALOT.
    
    Face it Claywad...you run as well as Jeff "WMD" Riggen raps.
    
    
    JoJ

    	BOSS, since I used to row my grandfather's boat when we went
    fishing, I *do* consider it a sport.  Congrats!  Keep those soccer
    sissies out of this note!
    
    				/Don

    HAHAHAHAHA!!!  I nearly tossed Saturday night's burgers and buds on
    Sunday morning as I flipped through the Sports section only to see
    this picture of the Harvard crew team sitting in their boat.  The
    caption was the best- something like, "The Harvard crew team even looks
    smart in their uniforms."  Rollward!  And, as I looked harder at this
    picture (still tossing however), I actually saw crumbs and spilled
    tea......
    
    Look for this picture coming to your mailstop soon!
    
    H�wk

    Jeff Needle at 165 lbs??
    
    I want photos!
    
    Mark.

    Yeah, those Harvard guys are real pushovers.  Both their varsity and JV
    heavyweight boats made the finals at the Henley regatta for the Grand
    and Ladies Challenge cups.  I don't know how they did, but that's an
    accompishment in itself to make it to the final race at Henley.
    
    re.  .63
    There are some pretty good crews west of the Appalachians. The  University
    of Wisconsin upset Harvard this year to win the National championship. 
    The University of Washington has been producing some vey fast crews
    also.  But of course the reason you've never heard of this is because
    the large majority of real men in this country live in the east.  We'll
    let you sissies in the west be content to playing with farm animals and
    soccer balls.
    
    re.65
    Bruce Konopka is still around.  He's coaching St. Joe's Prep and shoots
    the sh*t with Fred Leonard a lot.  The Penn lightweight program has
    been hurting for a while, but it's definitely changed course.  This
    past year, although 4-4, we were a lot more competitive with the best
    teams than we had been in years.  Our biggest loss was by 4 seconds to
    Yale(undefeated).  We have a young and strong team going into this
    year( past 2 freshman classes Bronze and silver medals at Sprints).  
        
     Tom

    Ed (you weenie),
    
    	The only Grand Slam you ever get is at Denny's (the restaurant)!
    	Kinda hard to be skunked more years than I've been huntin' ;^)
    
    JoJ,
    
    	I didn't have to catch you........you never even had a pass thrown
    	your way cuz I had you covered like a glove.  You had to line up
    	on the other side of the field from me after realizing you weren't
    	gonna catch any passes on my side.  Yeah, talk your poo poo now
    	that you're 1600 miles away!
    
    Claybone

    
    
    	The Harvard heaveyweight crew (No there's a crew Jeff can row for
    :-> ) beat the University of London to win, get this heh..heh...heh,
    the Ladies Challenge Plate. Now what kind of manly-man would even
    bother to compete for such a prize??? Cripes it sounds like the special
    of the day at some trendy-yuppie-restaurant!!!
    
    	The Harvard JV crew lost the Thames Challange Cup to the
    Nottinghamshire Lightweights, but at least they were competing for
    a manly prize!!!
    
    JimH :-):-):-):-):-):-):-)
    

    Actually, Claywad, I'm closer to 1800 miles away.
    
    FWIW, I'm hoping to attend SW tournament and hit another ball about a
    mile over your head.
    
    JoJ

    I rowed for BU in the mid-70's ...... aahhh the smell of the Charles
    in the early morning.  Of all the sports I've played on a competitive
    level, crew has to be one of the two "toughest".  The training is
    intense.  Hey, Jeff ...... remember when you'd be pulling as hard
    as you can and the coxswain would call for a "power twenty" ??
    
    Offseason conditioning consists mainly of weightlifting and running
    the stairs ...... again and again and again .
    
    You've got to be big to be successful at the major college and
    international level ....... around 6'2'' - 6'5" and 170 - 210 pounds.
    
    
    Greg

    re .76
    It's good to hear from the other rowers out there.  That must have been
    pretty cool to row on the Charles with so much of the compettion
    nearby.
      
     I have to disagree,though,with your statement that you have to be big to be
    competitive at the major college and international level. I definitely  
    agree that size is a great advantage in rowing, but sac is also a big
    factor.
    Some guys that I know on Penn's Heavyweight V and JV boats are around 5'10" 
    and 170 lbs.  One guy was on the 1F boat last year that won Sprints and on
    the silver medal JV boat this year.  A few others about  his size were
    on the V that got 3rd at Sprints and 2nd at IRAs.
    
      Sorry to nitpick but this is a sore spot for me.  I'm a lightwt(soph) at
    Penn.  I'm only 5'7" and my height has been a disadvantage. This past
    fall my coach put myself and our tallest rower(6'3-4")  on the
    ergs in front of the rest of the team, and he proceeded to say that we 
    could not row together because of our height differential. That was
    pretty discouraging to hear from a coach, and it got me that much more
    motivated.As it turned out, I rowed right behind that same kid in the
    V-boat in the spring.
    
    
    Who were the powerhouses in the 70s other than Harvard? And what was
    the name of BU's coach then?  
    
    
     Tom

    
    re: .76
    
    "Ahhh... I love the smell of the Charles in the morning.  It smells
    like...VICTORY!!"
    
      "Uhh, Captain.....if victory smells like sh*t, can we just lose
       gracefully today?"
    
    Dickster
    

    Hey RONALD, just wanted to let ya know that I put you on my JETS.DIS
    this morning.
    
    Are ya psyched?
    
    JoJ

>> Hey, Jeff ...... remember when you'd be pulling as hard as you can and the
>> coxswain would call for a "power twenty" ??

I remember doing alot of things that I can't believe I did.  I still cringe
when I hear the word "loop".  We used to run the loop by the boathouse (famous
from Rocky), around 8.5 miles.

j.

    Hey JoJ,
    
     You're damn right I'm psyched. ( I'm so happy right now, I think I
    might cry.)  Thanx.
    
    Tom-Ronald

    re .80 
    I'll back you on that one.
    The loop was hell, especially when nature starts calling not even
    1/2way into it.
    
    Tom 
    

    If I remember right, there really was no major power in rowing other
    than Harvard in the seventies.  Yale came on in the early eighties but
    other than that, no one in the East consistently challenged Harvard.  I
    don't know about the West.  Then again, I'm not really sure I know that
    much about rowing anyway.
    
    BU, for as far back as I can remember, has never been good in rowing.
    
    John

I know very little about rowing, and I'm wondering what it is about
the height differential vis-a-vis a tall guy and short guy not
rowing together.

Is it like more power from longer legs?

'Saw

    
    It's simple, 'Saw.  Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.
    
    No thanks necessary.
    
    Dickster
    

   It is a well known fact that the manliness of a sport is in direct
   proportion to the amount of beer which can be consumed whilst engaged
   in that sport.

   I hate to bust anyone's bubble, but rowing is an even wimpier sport
   than soccer (as hard as it is to conceive of such a thang!).

   Hey Ed^2

   MIke JN

Mike,

It's obvious my new invention has not reached your part of the 
country.

The new F� BeerBackPack (Patent Pending) is an amazing tool to allow
you to consume up to five gallons of beer during a sporting event.

Like a regular knapsack it is worn on the back, and filled with your
favorite type of brew.  The hose is run from the back and into
the mouth.  (Some endurance type events utilize a smaller hose run
into the nostril and down the esophagus, while others use the
Optional IV Enhancement Kit).

Recently my invention was tested by Greg LeMond on a lap at the Tour
de France.  He was ecstatic with the results and asked if I could do
something similar so that he could eat his Taco Bell food during
the event also.  I'm working on that....

So, now all sports, even The Bedroom Olympics, can be enjoyed with
your favorite beer.

HTH,
f�

PS  The Optional IV Enhancement Kit is not intended to be used for contact
    sports.....

    But is it pressure tested and to what bursting strength?
    
    Ya know, ther effervescence build-up?
    
    Like how far cain it spray if ya aim the tube at somebody?
    
    Cain it disperse rioting crowds?
    
    deen to wonk
    
    Kev
    

�    But is it pressure tested and to what bursting strength?

Since it is a bladder type device from which air is removed after
filling with beer, it hasn't been tested for that type of burst.

We were able to get the internal pressure up to 1000 psi before
a seam let go...

    
�    Like how far cain it spray if ya aim the tube at somebody?

The device has been designed so that suction must be applied
to the end of the tube.  Putting pressure on the bladder will
not force beer out of the tube.
    
�    Cain it disperse rioting crowds?
    
Indirectly, yes.  Have the user use the device about three hours
before needed, and have the device loaded with Genny Cream Ale.
Crowds will either disperse or die.

HTH,
'Saw
    

    Ah yes, Genny's!  Bought me a 24-pack just this past lunch-hour, for a
    party at a friend's right after work.  I was kinda disappointed though. 
    Had to pay $7.99.  Shoulda loaded up lasted week when they were $5.99! 
    Can you imagine- $.2495833 for a can o' beer?  :-)
    
    H�ck

   � Recently my invention was tested by Greg LeMond on a lap at the Tour
   � de France.  He was ecstatic with the results and asked if I could do
   � something similar so that he could eat his Taco Bell food during the
   � event also.  I'm working on that....

   Shouldn't be too difficult.... most Taco Bell food looks like it is not
   only pre-prepared, but pre-digested and pre-excreted as well. Talk
   about your time-savers!

   Mike JN

    re .84
    
    'Saw'
    
       The possible problems with a large height differential, betx members
    of a crew, results from the different lengths of their strokes in the
    water.  The taller rowers have more reach out of the boat and can take
    longer strokes.  A height disparity could result in rowers with
    different applications of power at different points in their stroke.
    At times,we hook up a computer to the handles of the rowing machines that we
    use at school.  The sensors in the handle measure the force applied to
    the stroke which is then graphed (curve) on a monitor.  We try to have
    everyone rowing with the same shape curve(the ideal one).  My biggest
    problem with doing this was that my short stature required me to
    lengthen my stroke as much as possible so that it would resemble the
    length of the taller rowers.  (graph --plotted as time{x} by force{y}; my
    problem was lengthening the time while not cutting the force down.)
       Sorry if I didn't make any sense and rambled but that's the best I
    could do for now.
    
    In one of your other notes you mentioned BDUs, are you an army man? 
    I'm in ROTC(for scholarship) and that's the only place that I've
    ever heard BDUs mentioned.
    
    
    Tom          

>    
>    In one of your other notes you mentioned BDUs, are you an army man? 
>    I'm in ROTC(for scholarship) and that's the only place that I've
>    ever heard BDUs mentioned.
    
Tom, if Ivan ever came ashore, I could probably convince them that
I was military.  

But, if the troof be known, I've never been in.  I have a lot of
friends who are either reservists or who have been in, in  all the
branches.  I pick up quite a bit of the lingo along the way.

I suppose if I ever had to go in (getting kind of old now at 31)
I'd probably go Navy and try to get into subs.   I know my wiseass
mouth would get me in a lot of trouble during boot camp (or whatever
euphemism they have for that now) and OCS (if that's what they still
call it).

And if Ivan ever really did come ashore, I'd protect my homeland like the
Militia men did 200 years ago....(only I'd probably use a chainsaw 
instead 8^))

Semper Fi!
'Saw

    Tom,
    
    Saw is modest.  Saw is a 45 year old ex-Marine DI with a sawtooth
    haircut, a Semper Fi Tatoo on one arm, a marines bulldog on the
    other arm, and a disposition than could rot sugar cane.
    
    Don't be fooled by him.
    
    Sarge

>>    I'm in ROTC(for scholarship) and that's the only place that I've
>>    ever heard BDUs mentioned.

Ah, now the truth comes out.  You row to get out of the PT requirement :-).

j.

�    Saw is modest.  Saw is a 45 year old ex-Marine DI with a sawtooth
�    haircut, a Semper Fi Tatoo on one arm, a marines bulldog on the
�    other arm, and a disposition than could rot sugar cane.
�    
�    Don't be fooled by him.

Well, Tom, JD is right.

I am 45, and a ex Leatherneck DI.  I turned more raw candyass recruits
into men than I care to remember.  When we were done with them, they
too could rot sugar cane.  That was back in the good old days when you
could bust up a recruit if he wasn't doin' right.  Nowadays, you
can't touch 'em or else Congress has a hissy fit.

I won't tell ya 'bout Combat.  YOu'll find out soon enough....

MSgt Chainsaw, USMC (ret).


PS  I also have a bridge you might be interested in buying 8^)

    re bootcamp.
    
    If'n you don't got military bearing then bootcamp ain't for you. Too
    much funny shit happens to stupid people and there are times when you
    just gotta roll and they punish you for it. Nothing like getting hit in
    the haid wif the butt of your rifle for being a wise-ass. They say they
    ain't allowed to hitcha, I say they should try to find a recruit
    willing to tell on a D.I.
    
    re tats 
    
    My Senior Drill Instructor had a tatoo of a dragon wif a dagger thru
    it's head.  The dagger had the word "Recruit" on it. 

    'Saw,
    
    I'll buy your bridge if you'll buy my car.  Friday the 13th came a day
    early for me this year.  I totalled my car (actually my mother's car
    which I'm using for the summer) last night.  No one was hurt but that
    has to be one of the sh*ttiest feelings in the world(getting into an
    accident), especially when it's your mostly fault. Well, c'est la vie.
    
    P.S.  Be extra careful with your left hand turns today.
    
    Tom 

Hey, at least no one got hurt.

My condolences... I know how you feel.

Actually, though, 13 is a lucky number for me.  I was born at 1313
so it's always been a good number.

Course I was born on the 29th.  Too bad my mom couldn't have squirted
me down the chute 16 days earlier.  But hey, 29 is still a bitchin'
prime number....

Well, take care, and try and have a good weekend.
'Saw

    I thought hurling was what one did when one had too many burgers
    n bud?
    
    Mark.

    Lufay you owe me some windex for my terminal.

    No, one tosses cookies.
    

    There are a couple bars (I don't know where, just know about them.)
    that have bouncer contests.  The bouncer that can do all the "bouncer
    things" the fastest wins the money.  One part of it was to grab
    hold of a five foot man and THROW him through the doorway.  I kind
    of thought of it as dwarf throwing.
    
    Think of the kind of man it takes to withstand the punishment of
    being thrown through doorway after doorway.  This person gets my
    vote for FruitCake of the Year.
    
    The Wizard

    Well guys, this is the end of the road for me.  It's back off to Philly
    to get back to the books, babes, and beers(not necessarily in that
    order).  Seriously, thanks for the entertaining discussions.  SPORTS
    made it a lot easier to get through many a day at work this
    summer(although my job was really nice, here).  Good luck to all of you
    guys in the coming year, maybe I'll be back around sometime. 
    
    TomR
    
    P.S. Have a great time @ GIANTSMANIA, but stay away from the hair on
    the boardwalk, it will only bring you guys grief.          

    
    Good luck, Tom, with whatever floats your boat.  And if you're heading
    up the creek, don't forget yer paddle. 8^)
    
    Dickster