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Conference 7.286::sports_90

Title:OURGNG::SPORTS - Digital's daily tabloid
Notice:Please review note 1.83 before writing anything.
Moderator:VAXWRK::NEEDLE
Created:Thu Dec 14 1989
Last Modified:Fri Dec 17 1993
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:438
Total number of notes:50420

273.0. "Klink/Clemens Rivalry Note" by PARVAX::WARDLE (Counting the cars on the NJ Tpk...) Tue Jun 19 1990 14:13

    Since the Swindell/Clemens rivalry noted died due to no rivalry, I
    figured that me and the other A's fans might want to debate with the
    Boston fans about Bob Welch being the AL's best pitcher.
    
    Welch has a better ERA, and only one less win but he plays in a real
    ballpark so his 10 wins are better than Clemens park effect wins.
    
    Clearly, Welch is the better pitcher and will win the Cy Young.
    
    JoJ
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273.1Vane spins around and around....where it stops nobody knowsTOPDWN::METZGERDon't have a cow man...Tue Jun 19 1990 14:4819
   
>    Welch has a better ERA, and only one less win but he plays in a real
>    ballpark so his 10 wins are better than Clemens park effect wins.

	Welch pitches in Oakland a pitchers park...Clemens pitches in fenway a 
	hitters park.....Please explain how this helps your argument that Welch
	is a better pitcher...
>    
>    Clearly, Welch is the better pitcher and will win the Cy Young.
 

	Welch has a better team behind him, a better bullpen behind him and
a better manager working with him...


Come up with some real arguments JoV (Jim on vaning)


        metz
273.2Dave Stewart is near-deity !!!!EARRTH::BROOKSHomie The Clown don't play that !Tue Jun 19 1990 14:521
    
273.3ROCK::GRONOWSKIthe dream is always the same...Tue Jun 19 1990 15:412
    
    Fred McGriff is GOD!
273.4April FoolsLEHIGH::DICKEYTue Jun 19 1990 15:4814
    
    
      If this was a Dave Stewart Vs. Roger Clemens debate this might
      be a fair topic, considering Clemens only 2 losses before, that
      debacle the other night against Baltimore were to Stewart. But
      to compare Bob Welch makes no sense If Bob Welch pitched for the
      Red Sox he wouldn't be a 500 pitcher.
    
      And since Clemens has the inside track on the CY YOUNG this year
      and has already won the award, has the record for most strikeouts
      in the game and an MVP. this must be a April Fool's note
    
    
                                      Welch vs. Bodicker   Maybe?
273.5AXIS::ROBICHAUDGeorgeForeman-NextHEAVYweightChampWed Jun 20 1990 07:079
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Note 273.2                 Klink/Clemens Rivalry Note                     2 of 4
EARRTH::BROOKS "Homie The Clown don't play that !"     1 line  19-JUN-1990 13:52

                      -< Dave Stewart is near-deity !!!! >-

	God had an off night last night Doc.

				/Don    
273.6PARVAX::WARDLECounting the cars on the NJ Tpk...Wed Jun 20 1990 08:275
    WELCH IS AWESOME. He'll win 20+ games. 
    
    In fack(tm), he's the ace of my rotiserrie team staff.
    
    JoJ
273.7Hogaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!JACKAL::DIGGINSMe and Elvis went to McDonald&#039;sThu Jun 21 1990 09:357
    
    Clemens may be good, but there has never been a successful escape
    from Stalag 13, and that say's alot about Klink. 
    
    
    
    Steve
273.8Stalag 13 is a commandant's dream. It's a padded stat Steve.AXIS::ROBICHAUDGeorgeForeman-NextHEAVYweightChampThu Jun 21 1990 10:541
    
273.9Not to mention the Burghalter syndrome.JOULE::DIGGINSMe and Elvis went to McDonald&#039;sThu Jun 21 1990 11:489
    
    /Don, are we talking "Prison camp effects" here? If so don't forget
    to add in the Shultz factor.
    
    
    
    
    
     Steve
273.10PARVAX::WARDLECounting the cars on the NJ Tpk...Fri Jun 22 1990 07:217
    Hey Frankwa, while we're on the subject of Germany....were you into the
    old band called "Triumvirat"? Pretty good early 70's German band.
    
    I was re-arranging my records last night and came across one of their
    Albums.
    
    JoJ
273.11Weendle (tm)..JOULE::DIGGINSMe and Elvis went to McDonald&#039;sFri Jun 22 1990 07:419
    
    Weren't they one of those techno-weenie bands you like so much
    Wardle? Yes I think so. HA HA!! Did ya buy your New Kids silk 
    tour jacket yet?
    
    
    
    
    Steve
273.12CAM::WAYCould Mighty Mouse take Superman?Fri Jun 22 1990 07:5814
re JoJ --

No, I honestly have never heard of them.  The Scorps were the first
German band that I really heard of.

There are vast differences between the European music scene and ours.

I like that band Europe, but I haven't the foggiest idea where they're
from.

One half of Milli Vanilli is German, I think...


'Saw
273.13PARVAX::WARDLECounting the cars on the NJ Tpk...Fri Jun 22 1990 08:139
    Digger, I'm proud of ya...you entered a whole reply with correct
    punctuation and no mis-spellings. Amazing for a Bruins fan.
    
    re: Frankwa
    
    I'll bet the Scorpions weren't the first German band you ever heard of.
    What about Kraftwerk.
    
    JoJ
273.14MUSKIE::SHAUGHNESSYThe opposite of Macho is BimboFri Jun 22 1990 16:5317
    >Dave Steart is near-deity [sic] !!!!
    
    So let me get this straight, Midnight: You practice a wierd form of 
    idolatry that as a_initiation right requires you to worship a man 
    with a high-pitched woman-like voice who dates men dressed up as 
    women who take massive dosages of estrogen hoping to attract Dave so's
    they too cain have ol' Dave stick that big tongue down their throats...
    
    Is that it?  Some crazy new form of black magic you're involved in?
    
    Gimme a real man like Rocket Roger anyday.  I'm no BoreSox fan, but
    the guy has posted awesome numbers in a punk bandbox backed up by a
    bum defense.
    
    Clemens is GOD.
    
    MrT
273.15Weeze Broons fans are smart.JACKAL::DIGGINSMe and Elvis went to McDonald&#039;sMon Jun 25 1990 08:032
    
    Daaa...tanks weendle Ise tries to dooze my bested.
273.16MrT : "Oooh, fastballs, sliders, and the split finger baybee ...."EARRTH::BROOKSHomie The Clown don&#039;t play that !Mon Jun 25 1990 08:3411
    re .14
    
    Oh, I see T ... so what you're saying is that you'd be glad to drop
    your glove and wallet near Clemnts (tm) a whining, spolied petulant
    brat, to be sure. 
    
    But he can also can brang that 'ole high hard one tight and inside eh ?
    
    T you sly devil - I never would have figured you ...
                     
    And you call that a reeel man eh ????
273.17SALEM::DODAGonna be a dad!Mon Jun 25 1990 09:3113
Doc,

Clemens apparently doesn't the market cornered on whining.

Check out today's USA Today:

"With the exception of Carlton Fisk, Kittle and Calderon, maybe, 
nobody over there can hold my jock"

At 9-6, at least we won't have to listen to him whine about the 
Cy this year.

daryll
273.18EARRTH::BROOKSHomie The Clown don&#039;t play that !Mon Jun 25 1990 17:288
    Darryl, can bash Stewart all you want, but get the facts straight.
    I saw the ESPN interview - take it with a grain of salt.
    
    Secondly, Stewart's line yesterday was 10 IP, 6 hits 2 ER's, 9 K's
    and zero walks. Most of his recent losses have been due to lack
    of support.
    
    Finally, Smoke will win the Si Yung (tm) this year - count on it.
273.19SALEM::DODAGonna be a dad!Tue Jun 26 1990 08:018
What facks(tm) did I state that were incorrect? That was a direct 
quote from yesterday's USA Today. His record is 9-6 isn't it?

Whining and badmouthing the other team because they beat you fair and square 
is not only classless, but unsportsmanlike.

daryll

273.20COBRA::DINSMOREMadonna and ASICS.. A WINNING COMBOTue Jun 26 1990 09:284
    gotta agree with ya daryll, i hope the white sox  win that division
    
    to shut  Stewart  up
    
273.21LUNER::BRAKEA Question of BalanceTue Jun 26 1990 11:519
    If I was a player on the White Sox other than Fisk, Kittle (how
    did HIS name come up?) and Calderone, I would make sure that I clipped
    that quote from the newspaper and read it every day for inspiration.
    
    No matter how talented Stewart is (and he is one of the best in
    baseball) his remarks were totally classless.
    
    Rich
    
273.22Oakland A's vs. National League AXIS::ROBICHAUDGeorgeForeman-NextHEAVYweightChampTue Jun 26 1990 12:596
    	Yeah but Stewart can afford to be cocky.  After all he's guaranteed
    a spot on the All Star team whether he wins another game or not.
    LaRussa will put him on the roster no matter now many 10, 11, 12,
    13, 14 or 15 game winners he'll have to pass by.
    
    				/Don
273.23LUNER::BRAKEA Question of BalanceTue Jun 26 1990 13:329
    Don't know about that, Slasher. He'll defintiely have Welch and
    Eckersley from his own team but will also have to consider Stieb,
    Eric King, Chuck Finley, the kid from Seattle who pitched the
    no-hitter, Nolan Ryan Roger Clemens, Mike Boddicker along with
    relievers Thigpen, Doug Jones, and Rick Aguillera. That, right there,
    is 10 pitchers. How many usually get picked for the AS game?
    
    Rich