Conference 7.286::sports_90

gOwHAle!

Clearly, Wade Boggs, when he is wearing underwear, is the greatest
hitter in baseball today.  Don Mattingly could not carry the box
that Wade's jock came in, let alone the jock itself.

This year, Wade is being the true and righteous unselfish player, and
is helping the team to victories.

The Red Sox have Roger Clemens, who is not related to Clarence, (I agree
in principal that Bird was better, but I try not to compare cross styles.
Bird was arguably the best jazz sax player, and did more to advance
Bop than another other musician), and Roger sits at the right hand of
GOD(tm).  (If anyone is interested, they moved Jesus to long relief).

The Red Sox have Rich Gedmon.  Rich has overcome many, many, handicaps
to play ball.  I mean, someone who can't see, can't run, and has
problems finding the correct orifice to wipe after a bowel movement,
really has to exude the maximum effort to play major league ball.

Finally, the Red Sox have Bill Buckner.  Without a doubt the 
best first basemen in the league, few people realize the contributions
to the advancement of the Croquet wicket that Bill had made.

In short, the Yankees are hapless, and sinking.  The Red Sox are
GOD's(tm) team...

Chainsaw

    The Yankmes will be lucky to finished in 6th place... The city stinks,
    the owners is a village idiot and the manager hits a pop-up and goes
    down in history as a "hero"... talk about a bunch of losers...
    come to think about it a loser of a team to a loser of a city....
    
    REK
    
    Loved the two sports reports last week concerning the Yank-mes...
    Bucky_be_idiot stated at a press conference that if Winfield playes for
    the Yank-mes that he would be a starting outfield... Then
    shit_for_briener stated at another press conference that the Yank-mes
    would only use Winfield as a platoon player....
    
    YUP The Yank-mes are a class act all to themselves....
    
    
    A BOZO CLASS!!!!!!!!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    
    how did diedre do in the marathon...
    
    
    Is tyler related to neon dion?
    
    
    does anyone have  88 penthouse?
    
    
    perspiring minds needs to know
    
    
    

    
    SlurpieSox (tm)

    PENNANT FEVER SWEEPS HUB!!!!!
    
    Pennant fever ain't swept the Bronx since Saturday Night Fever
    was big.
    
    NAZZ

My baloney has a first name, it's G-E-O-R-G-E
My baloney has a second name, it's S-T-Ein-Bren-Ner

We love to beat it every way, and if you ask us why we'll say
Cause the Red Sox always have a way with Y-A-N-K-E-E-S....

    wonder   why?
    

    The Yanks sip...I've had it with that team. I can feel the vane
    a'turnin....yessir, I'm gonna become the latest die hard Oakland A's
    fan. I always likeded them anyway.
    
    JoA's

    	The Globe reports that Bill "sticky wicket" Buckner convinced
    Rain Man Morgan to play him last night.  Morgan, wanting to keep
    Quintana's hot bat in the lineup put him in right field despite
    Carlos not having his outfield glove (he borrowed Dwight Evans').
    Buckner says he needs to play at least once a week to stay sharp.
    When do we start the Morgan watch?
    
    				/Don

I'll start the Morgan watch right now.  

I've been a Red Sox fan for years.  It's so deeply ingrained in me
that a horde of Mongols with tubes of KY coulnd't make me change my
mind.

Joe Morgan has got to be the biggest stiff I've ever seen.  I told
you Gedman needed a road map to figure out which orifice to wipe
after moving his bowels.  Well, Morgan needs a road map, a flashlight,
and two assistants.

They really blew it when they took Buckner back.  The guy is the epitome
of the me, me, me, player.  He just wants to pick up hits.  The guy
is a bigger waste of skin that Romine.

The Red Sox have never been a running team, but it would be cool if
they were.  It would add a dimension to their offense.

Morgan is a dweeb.


Thanks, it felt good to say that....

Chainsaw

    Morgan just had his contract extended for another year.
    
    Mark.

    re .19:
    
    Buckner did have a very good spring -- based on that, I think he earned
    one last chance with the Sox.  However with the emergence of Carlos
    Quintana as the everyday 1B, Buckner no longer serves a useful purpose
    on the Sox.  I look for the Sox to release Buckner once Billy Joe
    Robidoux gets off the DL.
    
    Re the base stealing (or lack thereof), I've always wondered how many
    bases Ellis Burks would steal if he played for a team like the
    Cardinals that emphasizes the running game...
    
    
    py    

�    Re the base stealing (or lack thereof), I've always wondered how many
�    bases Ellis Burks would steal if he played for a team like the
�    Cardinals that emphasizes the running game...
    

You too Paul?

I've watched Ellis since he was in New Britain, and man, if the Sox just
had the kind of team who could run, a manager who knew how to run them,
a front office that would get good management...

But, hey, I might as well ask KO to just give me a million dollars, right?

'Saw

    But Saw, how do you REALLY feel?
    
    Congrats to JoA, this should clinch his hold on the Vane title for
    the remainder of 1990, and give him a head start on this decade.
    Yessir, his "The (insert name of any team in 1st place) have always
    been one of my favorite teams" is his own personal logo.
    
    Lee

    In regards to Joe Morgan, I don't blame him for the status of the
    Sox.  He isn't the one that makes trades, so the lack of pitching
    should be placed squarely on the GM's shoulders.
    
    Lee

Agreed Lee.

But sometimes you just have to have a guy out front who is a take
charge kind of guy, who inspires you.

I mean, look at Zimmer.  As Arnold would say he is "one ugly mother____er".
But somehow the guys rally round him.

The management is the result of the front office too, I think in this
case, and since 1918 the Red Sox front office has been notoriously inept.

But, hey, the Red Sox have always been one of my favorite teams � and
I wouldn't vane away from them...

8^)

'Saw

    The Red Sox and Yankees rivalry is like what Leigh Montville said
    about a Cowboys - Raiders game a few years ago:
    
    "Two toothless tigers gumming each other to death on the Coliseum
    floor."
    
    I find it hard to get excited about the Sox - Yankees games anymore
    because at least one team, if not both, has been totally mediocre
    for the last few years.  It's kind of ironic to see these games
    always the first to sell out even when they don't mean anything.
    I'd rather see the Sox play Oakland.
    
    Regarding Don Zimmer, he always had the creative streak in Boston
    but he paid too much attention to what the press said about him
    and his strategies, so he managed defensively instead of offensively.
    Also, I blame Bill Lee for what happened to Zim here.  At the time
    Lee and Zimmer were on the team together, many people absolutely
    worshipped Bill Lee and he managed to turn the city against Zimmer.
    
    John

Re: Stealing

I could've sworn that I heard one of the ESPN guys mention that 
Rivera stole 50 bases in the minors, so apparently, Burks isn't 
the only one with a leash on him...

daryll

    Morgan + Gorman = PeeWee Herman.
    
    Tough to say about my favorite team, but the Sox inhale penicular
    appendages. Sorry for the graphic description.
    
    			Red_Sox_Rich
    

    Look at the American East standings and guess what!!
    
    The Yank-mes have the *WORSE* record in Major league Baseball!!!
    
    HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
    
    REK

    PENNANT FEVER SWEEPS HUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    YANKEES DUE FOR SEVERE WHIPPING - MANAGERIAL CHANGE THIS WEEK????
    
    NAZZ

    What I find amusing about the whole thing is...as bad as the Yanks
    sip, they are only 7 games back.
    
    The whole AL East is crappy. The Yanks are just the crappiest right
    now, but one little hot streak and they'll be closing on first place.
    
    JoJ

       Hey JO*, I thought ya was an A's fan now!!
                                          Denny

    According the this morning's Glob, the Yankees have the lowest on-base-
    percentage, number of runs, hits and RBIs in the majors.  I guess
    Dan's assertion that the DH doesn't affect offensive numbers is
    correct.
    
    Mark.

    >>   Hey JO*, I thought ya was an A's fan now!!
    
    Well, in reality, I've always liked the A's. I don't know why
    exackly(tm)...goes back to the Blue/Jackson/Bando/Tenace/Hunter/etc.. 
    days.
    
    I did win some bucks on the A's when they beat the Mets in the WS back
    in '74 or so.
    
    I'm still a Yankee fan...I'm just pissed at them right now.
    
    JoJ

JoJ also likes the Scorpions.  He told me he worships the ground
that Klaus Meine walks on, and wishes he could play guitar like
Rudy Schenker.

He's been a fan of theirs for *years*....

latered,
'Saw

    >>              -< Hey Jim, I thought you liked the Cubs? >-
    
    Last year, I did like the Cubs. I liked them because:
    
    1. I only got Cubs or Braves games on the tube in Colorado.
       The Cubs became my team of choice....as you could understand.
    
    2. I hate the Mets, and the Cubs beat them out.
    
    3. I like a few of their players, so what the heck, why not root
       for them.
    
    This year, while I don't dislike the Cubs, I'm no longer a fan since I
    don't get their games here.
    
    JoJ

    < Note 244.40 by PARVAX::WARDLE "Shaque D'Amore...Dude" >


>    This year, while I don't dislike the Cubs, I'm no longer a fan since I
>    don't get their games here.

    Which means....
    
    This year, while I don't dislike the Cubs, I'm no longer a fan since 
    they're not in first place.
    
    Mark.
    
    JoJ

    

    

    BTW, I'm going to the game tomorrow night in case anyone wants to
    buy me a suds.
    
    Mark.

Jeff,

I'll be there tomorrow with Dinsmore.

daryll

    I'll be leering at Leary on Thursday.  Section 10 I think.
    
    Dan

    dinsmore,
    
    i really hate to say this (yeah right)
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA(tm)
    
    told ya the sox was gonna wip the yanks and take first place!
    
    joann

    
    well, the yanks certainly made a comeback last night, but Brunansky
    
    was too much.... Robinson didnt have his stuff, was behind batters.
    
    Cary pitched pretty well, look for mattingly to heat up tonight,
    kelly gonna break outta his slump too.
    
    dinz
    

    Comeback?  HA!  Wasn't good enough if ya ask me!
    Brunansky just keeps getting better.......Wade coulda had another
    homerun if the skanks didn't walk him deliberately.  
    Never mind making excuse for them bozos.....one or two men does
    not make a team.  Would like to see the sox pulverize the yanks
    and pull away with FIRST PLACE!
    
    joann

    
    its a long year  joann kid,  wade definitely would have had  another
    
    
    homer eh???   so joann, the sox  should probaly  win  going away
    
    this yr dont ya think?
    
    
    
    DINZ
    

joann --

I like your style. I like the way you've jumped right into the fray.

Now all you have to do is learn to junk note a little, come up with
a wicked neat nickname, and you can probably become a freakin'
lunatic if you want...8^)

Go SOX!!!!!  (even though Morgan and the front office are consumate
stiffs, and Gedman lost the road map to his ass....)

'Saw

    'Saw,
    
    About the nickname.......submissions will be okay, whaddaya guys
    (oooopps freakin' lunatics) think?  Junk notin' will probably 
    come in time.
    
    Dinsmore,
    
    yeah, I know that its a long year, but.......I figure the way
    the skanks play I'll have many (no, make that MANY) more opportunities
    to rib ya then ya will me.
    
    joann (awaitin' a wicked neat nickname)

Hey Dinz, just what is your record at our annual Sox-Yank games?

O-fer what?

Sox will win big tonight, we have history on our side...

daryll

    hawkins  and dopson.. sounds like a shoot out tonight, relief pitching
    
    it will come dowm.. yanks bats have to come alive sooner or later
    
    
    dinz
    

	Went into the game last night, got roof box seats, and sat next to 
Derek Sanderson - seperated by an aisle. 
	What a rivalry :^(  Yanks look dead - sat in the dugout and in the
bullpen with their arms folded all night. Only signs of life were when some
beachballs arrived in the dugout. Hard to believe this is the team I live
and die with... They need a kick in the butt big-time.

	Baserunning and fielding blunders abounded on both sides - a hot 
Brunansky was the difference - as was Morgan taking a gamble and pitching
his closer with the score tied - it paid off. When I compare this game
to the Yankee-Red Sox games of the mid-late 70's, I get sick...

	Jim M

    	Hey Judge the series ain't what it used to be eh?  Did you "check
    out" Derek Sanderson's shirt?  I bet it was a Bradlees.  Look on
    the positive side, the fan violence is definitely on the wane. 
    First place in the A.L. East is like taking your ugly cousin to
    the prom, and the Sox still need another pitcher.  To bad they let
    the Can go.
    
    				/Don

>    	Hey Judge the series ain't what it used to be eh?  Did you "check
>    out" Derek Sanderson's shirt?  I bet it was a Bradlees.  Look on
    
 	/Don, Never saw Sanderson's shirt, he had a jacket on, BUT, he was
wearing Dockers, and Nikes, and all he had was soft drinks, no beer....
	He was pretty quiet, too, sat with another Sox fan and two Yankee fans.

Jim M

Judge --

Somewhere I heard the Derek has had about 5 hip replacements in 
the last 10 or so years, and that he walks with crutches.  (I think
I heard this on a special on NESN)

Anyway, I was just curious if that was true....

'Saw

>Somewhere I heard the Derek has had about 5 hip replacements in 
>the last 10 or so years, and that he walks with crutches.  (I think
>I heard this on a special on NESN)

	No crutches...

	Jim M

       Smart move by Bucky F. Dent putting Neon in to pinch run too!
                                          Denny

    George Steinbrenner has not only trashed 60 or so years of great
    Yankee tradition, in doing so, this rivalry is now trashed.  The
    trashing of the rivalry is sad to see.  The end of the tradition
    is sad but it must really hurt all you Yankee fans.
    
    This is not an attempt to bash, but legitimate sympathy.
    
    John

For Yanks fans who say "Yeah, but we're only X games out", you have to 
remember that there are six teams ahead of the Yankees.  So, whenever
two AL East teams play each other, the Yanks can only gain ground on
one of them... thus they need several long winning streaks to get back
into the race.

I read today that the Yanks are in the middle of a 26 game stretch against
the East.  They lost 2 of 3 to the O's and the first one to the Sox.  If
NY comes off these 26 games with an under .500 mark, they're done.   They'll
be at least a dozen games out on July 1.

>                   -< Anyone going to the games this week? >-

	Probably going to go in to Thurday's game.  

mc

   Regarding Joann's nickname:

   Given a last name of Barrows,

   I think `Wheels' would be appropriate.

   Mike JN

I'll second that motion....

All in favor?

    Not much of a choice, but if thats all there is....I guess I have to
    take it since I can't think of one myself.

    I don't follow MLB at all during the NBA's playoff madness, but I was
    pleasently surprised to see the BoSox only a � game out of first as of
    yesterday.
    
    Mike

>        Cary pitched pretty well, look for mattingly to heat up tonight,

    0-4 for the game is heating up?
    
    Mark.

Dinz,

What was that word you used last night to describe your boys?

Oh yeah, disgusting...

The Dinz KOD continues....

Lufay, better hit those lats again pal. They looked kinda puny to 
me.

HTH.
daryll

    re .70 on Mattingly:
    
    Yes he's been a non-factor in this series, but in fairness he's been
    robbed of a couple hits on excellent defensive plays by Quintana last
    night and Boggs Monday night.  They'll fall in for him sooner or later
    (hopefully after the Yanks play the O's this weekend :-)).
                              
    BTW Quintana is impressing me more every time I see him, both
    offensively and defensively.  
                 
    Are all the years of 70-80 apeparances a season starting to catch up
    with Rob Murphy?
    
    
    py

    dents gone.. steinbrenner lowes the ax  again.. eh.. great titles
    fer sure
    
    dinz
    

    
    Someone should axe Steinboober!

Gonna have to take this to the game tonight!


                                               
                                                        
                                                         
                                                   
                                                          
                                                          
                                               


                                                     
                                                              
                                                               
                                                          
                                                                 
                                                                 
                                                      

    
    Jeff,  if you are gonna be reduced to junk noting, get over to the
    soccer note! 
                                                     

   Jeff,

   	That shows up on my screen as a bunch of backwards ?'s
   (spelling bye buck! of course).  BUT... how do you make that work. Is 
   that what we are supposed to be seeing? (Backwards question marks?)

   Mike JN

    
    Mikey,
    
    	I think you've been taking too many hallogens!
    
    Claybone

You can tell the Yankees are dead meat when you see Don Mattingly joking
with Tom Brunansky on first base late in the game with the Yanks trailing.

I don't think Don cares any more.  He's got his contract, the team bites
the big one, and the only way he'll ever see a World Series game is if he
buys a ticket.   

You look at the Yankee roster and all you can do is shake your head.
Claudell Washington?  Rick Cerone?  Dave LaPoint?  Deion Sanders?  

The Yanks aren't just bad, they are old, too.   The worst team in baseball.
Worse than the Braves.   Worse than the Rangers.  

    well i will have to set the marker on mr ross.. mattinglys joking
    
    late in game, so he doesnt care.. pure bs in my book
    
    the worst team in baseball right now  maybe.. but not  by  end of
    yr                                                  
    
    dinz
    

>    well i will have to set the marker on mr ross.. mattinglys joking
>    late in game, so he doesnt care.. pure bs in my book

	Tell me this - would Don Mattingly of 1984,1985,1986 {in the
	midst of a hitting slump versus the Red Sox and losing 4-1
	late in the game} have been joking with a guy on first base?

	Don's on the Titanic and is resigned to the fact that even
	though they're sunk, at least there's plenty of ice for the
	drinks.

	Geez, the guy was on the "Regis & Kathy Lee" show two weeks 
	ago... showing off his wife and kids and talking about his
	restaurant business in Indiana.   Face it, he's got his money,
	he knows that winning a title is beyond hope;   Don's on 
	cruise control now... and I never thought that would happen.

    gee, i guess maybe  brunasky  probaly  didnt say crack a joke about
    just anything in general?? remember, its only june, and no i am
    not predicting a pennent far from it, but the team will improve..
    
    
    dinz
    

>    not predicting a pennent far from it, but the team will improve..
>    dinz

That's how low the Yanks have sunk... Talking about "improving" on 
the worst record in baseball when they have an aging team, no current
record for developing talent in their system, and a misguided owner.

For the Yanks to have a mediocre season {.500 ball} they must win
3 out of every 5 for the rest of the year.   

Wait'll next year... it's going to get worse before it gets better.

How about that Mike Lupica last night on ESPN?   He's a prime example
of what mid-America thinks a typical New Yorker is... 

    Personally I don't see anything wrong with a grown man cracking
    a smile late in a game. #1, Brunansky is not part of the fabled
    Red Sox/Yankee lore of the past. #2, I believe Mattingly is mature
    enough NOT to get down to the point where he's pressing because
    of his recent hard luck at the plate. 
    
    This guy is one of the best talents in baseball. I will NOT go so
    far as others and say he is the best (Obviously, that distinction
    belongs to that wacky baserunner himself, Wade Boggs) but the guy
    is in the upper echelon. So things look hopeless...what's wrong
    with a smile. Maybe Brunansky was relating what Lou Gorman had for
    lunch? That's worth a snicker, wouldn't you say?
    
    Rich
    

    
    >
    >	Don's on the Titanic and is resigned to the fact that even
    >	though they're sunk, at least there's plenty of ice for the
    >	drinks.
     
    Roolllling over this one-liner.
    
    Dickster
    

       Worst start in 65 years for the Yanks.
                                         Denny

Dinz, don't forget, old Donbo will break out any day now....

daryll

    Yanks are so bad, I ain't even going to the game tonight to see them 
    get their butts kicked.  Yawn.
    
    

    is t this just great, with the sox in first.. all the yanks bashing
    
    goes on and on.. 
    
    
    dinz
    

    
    It seems rather calm to me, Dins.  It could be worse.  

    Isn't that what this file is for????????

and on and on...

BTW, Madonna sips.

HTH
daryll

    madonna great.. less filling
    

    Hey, daryll,
    Love your p_name...

    Daryll, still working the abs?
    
    Hans.

< Note 244.95 by SALEM::DODA "Friends don't let friends drive Chevys" >
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Chevy engines powered 7 of the first 8 finishers at Indy this
year.

Therefore, we can only conclude that Daryll is a true girly-mon,
since he is working his abs, *and* disputing the greatness that
was bestowed upon Chevy by their performance in the MOST manly
of races, the Indy 500...

Chainsaw

    'Saw, clearly Daryll is NOT working his abs.
    
    Mark.

    >Friends don't let friends drive chevys
    
    Ha!  Last year when I was at the Hopkinton State Fair, they were
    selling these shirts.......they had plenty of them.  The one that
    wasn't in stock ('cept for a kids small) was Friends don't let 
    friends drive FORDS.
    
    That was also the event that that stunt driver had a heart attack
    and crashed into the crowd.  What an experience that was.
    
    wheels.
    
    hey 'Saw, does this qualify as a junknote?

    As bad as Mattingly may be struggling, I'd take him in a second to play
    for the Sox, and I'd let him write in his own numbers on a blank
    check!!
    
    
    JMHO (from an avid Sox fan),
    
    Nelly

    >BTW, Madonna sips.
    
    I agree but I woulda went to the show to see the opening act.

MOPAR boys. MOPAR. 

426 Hemi ring a bell? That was a man's machine.

'Saw, those girly mon plastic buckets that GM (Getta Mechanic) has been putting 
out are on par with Lufay's Volvo.

Lufay,

My abs are on par with your knees....

I'm working on my abs. I heard you're working on your knees....

daryll

    Here's a 2nd vote for MOPAR.  Why, just last night at Epping, I got me
    a wicked woodie over a '70 Charger......
    
    H�wk  MOPAR enthusiast and past owner of a brand new '73 Charger.....
    

    Daryll, if you call chasing connolies and bismarks with Twinkies,
    then, yes, I admit you are working your abs.
    
    As for me working on my knees, well, someone has to position the
    staging that you use to support that gut.
    
    Love and kisses,
    
    Your mentor.

    Hawk, speaking of muscle cars, how's that Bratwurst-Burner (tm)
    that you have had multiple orgasms over?
    
    Mark.

< Note 244.106 by 15436::LEFEBVRE "He lives in Mojave in a Winnebago" >
    
   > As for me working on my knees, well, someone has to position the
   > staging that you use to support that gut.
    
   And you already happened to be down there....

   > Love and kisses,
    
   Out of my price range pal. But you do bear some resemblance to 
   Fred Garvey....   

   

    Yeah, I used to race a new '70 cuda back in my high school days.
    We'd go to the Tulsa drag strip where the high schools would
    compete.  It was tough (that's an old slang word for cool)
    (cool is old slang but still used today) to race like the big
    boys back then.
    
    Cowboy (friend of the MOPARs)
    

    Hey guys, take it to CARBUFFS.  There are alot of good LDUCs in there
    about who makes better cars.

Yeah, Go Red Sox...8^)


Wheels, you're getting the hang of it...


Hawk, '68 GTO, Hurst shifter, jacked a little in the back...almost
better 'n sex!


Chainsaw

PS Go Red Sox!!!!!  Beat those hapless Yankees!

    If the Sox win tonight, it'll be the 1st 4 game sweep of the Yanks for
    the Sox since 1969.  (How's that BigMac? :-) )
    
    Love that Bratwurst Burner there, Markie!
    
    H�wkster

        >Face it, he's got his money,
	>he knows that winning a title is beyond hope;   Don's on 
	>cruise control now... and I never thought that would happen.
        
    And this vast evidence that Doug has dug up is a private joke with Tom
    Brunansky and an appearance on Regis and Kathy Lee (What the hell were
    you doing watching Regis and Kathy Lee???).  Dinz is right.  That's
    pure bullshit.
    
    Don Mattingly does not play the game of baseball "on cruise control". 
    To believe he does is folly.  To cite this particular evidence is
    ludicrous.
    
    Dan

Just funnin', Dan.

The rivalry note is the place to prod those few remaining Yankee
fans into popping their heads up so we can see 'em.    Making sport
of Don Mattingly is a surefire way to flush you guys out.

We all know Donnie is a "can't touch this" kind of guy.  :-)
But do you think he's the same player he was five years ago?
But do you think he will ever play in a World Series?
But do you think the Yanks would be better off trading him for a package
of good players? 

    
    Maybe Donbo want's out of New York? Hey Dins, the yankee's bite!!
    HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!
    
    
    
    Steve

>But do you think he's the same player he was five years ago?
    
    He's not putting up the numbers (who is?) but I don't think he's lost
    any skills.
    
>But do you think he will ever play in a World Series?
    
    Yes.  I have to.  
    
>But do you think the Yanks would be better off trading him for a package
>of good players? 
    
    Depends on the players, but I would be MOST disinclined to trade him. 
    I think at this point, it would probably be best for Don, though.
    
    Dan
       

     Did someone call Wade Boggs the best hitter in baseball ? Get real.
    Could you honestly say you wouldn't trade him for Canseco or Puckett?
    Even if you talkind batting avg. not only is Gwynn a better hitter
    he's a better human being.

    Re: Donbo... AT least you know he will be at the all-star games...
                                                
    All his teammates s*ck worse than HIM!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    REK

George says its time for a youth movement and he hopes the Yankee fans
will be patient.

I say they should trade Mattingly, Righetti, and Barfield now and get
as much as possible and no player older than 29!

Mattingly was zero-for-Boston.    First 4 game sweep of the Yanks in
Boston since 1969(?).

    As much as I enjoyed the sweep of the Yankees in Fenway, there were
    a few bright spots to calm the raw nerves of the Pinstripe faithful.
    
    The play last night by Espinoza with 2 on and Heep up was one of
    the headiest I've seen in a loooong time. Of course the lead runner
    was Mike "Where amd I?" Greenwell but Espinoza throwing him out
    at 3rd was a piece of art.
    
    As was Barfield's catch og a sinking liner late in the game - although
    Burks eventually scored on Tolleson's error.
    
    Interesting that Boggs' shot was ruled an error and Brunansky's
    hot hopper around/over Velarde was ruled a hit.
    
    For a pitcher like Greg Harris to 1-hit the Yankees tells me something.
    This Yankee team shows absolutely no discipline at the plate. They
    are pressing badly - the entire team. There appears to be no leadership
    at all. Of course a few wins could rejuvinate them quickly but they
    really aren't a very good team right now. 
    
    To think that last Monday they would be facing Dopson, Keicker,
    Boddicker and Harris one might expect at least a split. Hell, the
    Red Sox pitching is really quite mediocre after Clemens and Boddicker.
    
    Maybe George is serious this time. Maybe he has finally listened
    to his baseball minds he pays and is willing to rebuild. 
    
    Unlike some people, I think a good Yankee team is good for baseball.
    Just like I think a good Packer, Canadien and Celtic team are good
    form their spots. These teams meant so much to the success all leagues
    enjoy today and it's a damned shame to see a team as rich in tradition
    as the Yankees sink to such a low level. As big a Yankee hater as
    I am I still cringe when I remember the Horace Clarke days just
    as I feel almost embrarrassed in beating the Randy Velarde Yankees
    of today.
    
    Rich
    

    Re: .117
    
    Ask Tony Gwynn who's a better hitter, he or Boggs.  We're not talking
    morals here, we're talking baseball.  Besides, Gwynn sweats a lot. :-o
    
    					Steve

Re. -1 
    To quote the eminently quotable Bart Simpson: "What the hell are
    you talkin' about ?" 

    Sox win 4-1.  Clemens (11-2) 8k, 0 bb....

    Another fine pitching performance for Leary, nothing to show for
    it...  2 earned runs out of the charge charged to him, 6  ks
    
    so much for the yankee sweep :)
    
    

    Well Clemens pitched another fine game last night.  He's now 11-2 and
    his two losses were to the A's and Dave Stewart within a week of each 
    other.  I believe one score was 1-0 and the other 2-1.  The man is HOT!
    
    I only saw the last five or so innings last night.  Boggs hurt his hand
    and had to leave the game.  Marzano was more than sufficient, going
    4-4 and throwing out (questionable call though) a runner at 2nd.  
    
    Leary pitched a helluva game himself.  Barfield still has a cannon.
    
    					Steve

    Don Mattingly  9 for his last 54.  Including last night, 9 for last 58.
    Donbo is obviously not too hot....

   <<< Note 244.126 by CRBOSS::DERRY "LandOfTheFreeButOnlyIfYouAgree...." >>>
                       -< ESPNs "Who's Hot - Who's not" >-


 You stole my PNAME!!!!  ;^)

 I love it.....

 hey K. atleast Donbo has morals  ;^)

 mike

    You can use that p_name too, Mike.  I stole it from Chuck....
    
    I don't care if he has morals.  Morals don't win you any games.

    You can use that p_name too, Mike.  I stole it from Chuck....
    
    I don't care if he has morals.  Morals don't win you any games.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	And that right there Karen is the problem with Sports in a nutshell.
 It's only a game, it's not life and death or the struggle to survive and
 make a decent life for one's self. Morals, good sportsmanship and having a
 good time the things these game were first built to promote have been cast
 aside in the name of winning. It's a shame.....

 mike

 ps. when your softball team is O-Fer, you got look for reason why you still
     play the game  ;^).....
                                    

    
    /don  [official member of the  mr  t  adoration   society]   says
    
    that the yankees will be in last place as of august 25  [giants
    mania..
    
    
    the DINZ  says  that    they   wont  be in last place..
    
    
    
    so, if the yankees are indeed in last place as of august 25th, i
    owe  /don  a case of  SAMMY ADAMS  BEER..
    
    if the yankees are  not in last place  as of august 25th,  /don
    
    owes the dinz  a case of  SAMMY adams beer..
    
    
    how that sound  /don?
    
    
    dinz
    

    /slasher, make sure you get that other case first!  

    
    he got that  k  already...
    
    

Dinz put a buck a week away starting now so it won't be so painful come 8/25...

you screwed up you should have bet him the soxs wouldn't be in first....

yankees are hopelessly lost and destine for the cellar. Imagine the once
proud dam yankees the lowliest team in the worst division in all of sports
at the bottom. you got to love it. the only way it could be better is if
they were battling the soxs for that posistion....

mike

    
    
    SOX LOSE DIVISION IN SEPTEMBER  WEEKEND OF  21ST.. FILM AT11
    
    

Dinz can I have Don's bet too?  ;^)

mike    
    

    
    YA DIDNT HAVE TO BEG  MIKE..:)))
    
    sure..
    

    Dinz, if the Orioles keep stinking out the joint the way they've been
    lately, you're golden...
    
    
    py

    
    well thats what i am hoping for  paul.. sorry, but when its comes
    to sammys..
    
    
    

Meantime, Beak and I have our usual, long-standing Giantsmania
beer bet.

If the Sox are higher in the standings on Aug 25, he opens my 
pregame beers.

If the Yanks are higher in the standing on Aug 25, I open his
pregame beers.

That's the kind of bet I like.  

As far as I'm concerned, considering I'm a long time Sox fan,
I'm not counting any chickens, uh, er, beers before they're opened.

'Saw

But Paul, the Birds have more talent ;^)....they'll rebound. I have faith
in Steinbrenner screw em up. Besides we're talking about the man with the
KOD non-pereuil...

;^)

    	Mike, what kind of beers do you want?  Dins your talking two
    cases here.
    
    				/Don

    
    i can count /don.. :)))
    
    
    

why Clausterhauler naturally Don....  :^)

mike    
    

� why Clausterhauler naturally Don....  :^)



Alles was ein Bier braucht....

    

    How about Rhinegold Lite? 
    
    It only TASTES less expensive..... 

    I just got mail from Dinz....
    
    He says "the sox are playing over their heads."  I didn't understand
    it but it did make me laugh.....

Yankees sip.

END of story.

    	Actually I thought the Yankees were playing over their heads
    the last couple of weeks Dins.
    
    				/Don

    
    Dins, give it up. Yanks are toast.
    
    
    
    
    Steve

    Haven't we learned our lesson yet, fellow Red Sox fans? Haven't
    we been soaring in June and July too many times to be crowing so
    soon? And, to bait those Yankee fans out there is not the thing
    to do at all. Hell, if the Sox swoon in the Fall then they will
    take particular delight in dredging up all these GONG notes and
    tossing them back in our faces. Better to chuckle at the woes of
    the Brewers or Indians or Rangers than at the Yankees, I say.
    
    The season ain't even half over yet, my friends. I have been on
    this emotional roller coaster since 1953 and have only been rewarded
    with 3 pennants and no world championships (plus 1 division title
    worth squat). I would be willing to wager that the Red Sox have
    been in 1st place in June and July more than any other team in the
    50's, 60's, 70's and 80's. 
    
    Yet I am optimistic, as is the curse of any Red Sox fan. I see a
    pitching staff that came out of spring training with 2 starters
    and 3 relievers actually looking like one of the better staffs in
    the AL. Actually, it's better than the much bally-hoed Atlanta Braves
    staff that we were all so anxious to assimilate in March. Greg Harris
    has stepped into the starting rotation nicely and Dana Kiecker shows
    flashes of major league talent. Wes Gardner, though, is a REAL Red
    Soxer. He astounds on one night and gets pounded the next. Dennis
    Lamp? The guy is a dinosaur who keeps pitching well. Rob Murphy
    gets clobbered and somebody named Jeff Gray fills in.
    
    Offensively, Boggs is under .300 and Greenwell is under .270 with
    only 20 RBI's. Heck, he's on a 40 RBI pace for the year! Yet Tom
    Brunansky steps in nicely and Evans wakes up once a week for day
    games. Ellis Burks' performance reminds me why Frank Cashen wanted
    him so badly. Jody Reed has proven he is one of the top 2nd basemen
    in the AL while Luis Rivera adds range (erratcially) at SS. Carlos
    Quintanna is still learning 1B but is stinging the ball the way
    we were told he would when Brady Anderson went to Baltimore.
    
    But, the Red Sox are not a good fielding club, they lead the league
    in DP's and men LOB. They lack power and, of course, speed, which
    startles no one. The front office shows some life and some commitment
    to winning in getting rid of Gedman while Joe Morgan showed some
    smarts by benching the ever-whining Marty Barrett. Smith for Bruno
    was a gutsy move given the Sox need for a starting pitcher. The
    aquisition of Pena was a stroke of genius - even if he hits .230.
    
    But then we have Clemens pissed off at airplane delays, Boddicker
    wanting to go back to Baltimore and Brunansky catching Nick Esasky
    disease and becoming a free agent after the season. Perhaps a world
    championship would change all of this but, then again, it could
    also swell egos and grease the door even more for some to leave.
    
    Anyway, until the red white and blue buntings are hung over the
    backstop in Fenway for an October classic I will continue to be
    warty of Red Sox success and NOT stir up those Yankee fans.
    
    Rich
    

    I still say the key to Boston's chances are the #3-5 spots in the
    rotation.  The single biggest reason the Sox are in first right now 
    is because the likes of Harris/Gardner/Kiecker are far exceeding
    expectations.  Will they continue to do so?
    
    
    py

    	Aw come on Rich.  Now if'n the shoe was on the other foot do
    you think there would be so many absentee Yankee fans here?  Naw.
    Remember 1987 when the Yankee fans sole claim to fame was a better
    record than the Sox?  I do.  And anyways guys like Dinsmore deserve
    it.  8^)
    
    				/Don

    Yo Rich...
    
    I'm not foolish enough to start the 'Parade in October' chanting
    and until this season, I've never baited the Yankee fans (well
    maybe Ras)...  but...
    
    I can't remember the Yankees being so... so... yucky.  Plus there
    isn't much else, in this file, that interests me so that's why I'm
    being so... so... vocal.  Anyway, it's all in fun and if/when the 
    Sox pull the big choke, then I'll be the first in line for my share 
    of crow.
    
    And one other thing, the GONGS etc., will continue as long as the
    Yanks sip.
    
    HTH.
    
    Karen
    
    

    
    
    good note  karen... seriously... all i care about is the YANKS
    
    staying out  of celler and  sox blowing it late in yr to break alot
    
    of hearts... and i am being honest here
    
    
    hth
    
    
    dinz
    

    When you look at the Yankee lineup, it ain't really that bad - other
    than the pitching. Even though Donbo is only .50 away from the Mendoza
    line, I'd take him on my team in a minute. Sax has learned to throw
    the ball to first, now, and is always a threat at the bat and on
    the bases. Espinosa isn't Alan Trammel but then who, today, is.
    Velarde/Leyrich(?) are developing players at 3rd. Barfield is still
    one of the best defensively and can crank a few out now and then.
    Kelley is a gazelle in CF, a real threat to steal and has developed
    into a decent hitter. Hall ain't no worse a fielder than Greenwell
    and is streaky enough to carry a team for a week. Nokes may not
    be the best defensive catcher around but can get hot from the left
    side of the plate easily and Geren is still a young kid.
    
    The point I'm making is that this team does not really sip, per
    se. Until a month ago they had one of the top staff ERA's in the
    AL. Leary has gotten no support. They do not hit in the clutch and
    have made some stupid fielding blunders. But, their everyday lineup
    is no worse than the Orioles and, perhaps on a par with the Indians
    and Red Sox.
    
    If George will leave Stump alone - heck, if he leaves the baseball
    operations alone - this team has as much a shot as any of the sorry
    pretenders in the AL East.
    
    And, Slasher, I know, some low life Yankee fans WOULD be in here
    spewing trash if the roles were reversed. But I know my level headed,
    analytical friend, Dan, would be the first to caution his bretheren
    the way I am doing now ^8).
    
    Rich
    

    	Dan?  Being anything but obnoxious if the Yankees were winning?
    Come on Rich, surely you jest.
    
    				/Don

    Yanks won today 3-2.  
    
    
    py

As long as the Sox keep winning, I'll keep on enjoyin' it.

Remember, enjoy the summer day and the memories that it creates will
warm you for the entire winter...

And with the Sox, winter can be DAMN long!

'Saw

    Sox sweep jays 4-3,lead A.L. east by 3.5..........who would of thunk
    it
    except LOU GORMAN....does this guy know talent or what,he got Reed
    ,Keiker,and Harris for zilch.........GM of the Year L.Gorman.
    
    

              <<< Note 244.160 by ROULET::GARRY "Cowboys in 91" >>>

    Sox sweep jays 4-3,lead A.L. east by 3.5..........who would of thunk
    it
    except LOU GORMAN....does this guy know talent or what,he got Reed
    ,Keiker,and Harris for zilch.........GM of the Year L.Gorman.
    

 Know talent? those guys would be subs at best in the men's league. they
 also play in the least talented division in all of sports....

 more importantly Karen, did we get a gong last night?

 remember soxers  ;^)

 mike    

  <<< Note 244.162 by AXIS::ROBICHAUD "GeorgeForeman-NextHEAVYweightChamp" >>>
        -< Hey Mike, Roger won number 12.  The KOD is alive and well! >-

    
only because my wife changed the channel. given their was little else on
but repeats. I stopped the clicker on the game to watch Kelly Gruber hit
a double into the corner, Taco fly to center and then Crimedog take Roger
deep, score now 4-3. Roger walks the next guy, starts to sweat oh shit
my biggest critic is watching and I'm stinking out the joint, what to
do? phone rings wife answers it, it's Joe Morgan begging her to change
the channel....

she complies, I go to bed...what could have been....

mike

    mike,
    
    gonna nail that  trifecta or what?
    
    well  the 2 interesting series  this weekend are   ny yanks at chicago
    
    balt  at minny
    
    
    comon  twins!!!!!  speaking of minny, where SPUD  been lately?
    
    
    charlie  hough  will knuckle ball his way to a win tonight, sox
    
    
    streak ends.. film  at 11..
    
    
    dinz
    

    
    the gongster is karens new nickname..
    

    Sanders sent down to Columbus. Will leave for Atlanta Falcons training
    camp soon.
    
    Heep placed on DL. Sox call on Billy Jo Robideaux to take his place.
    Boggs hits HR #5. Greenwell gets a hit with the bases loaded. Reardon
    picks up save #13. Roger strikes out 9. 
    
    Now we see if this Sox team is real. We begin to play the AL West
    starting with a 4 game set against Texas. Next Monday pits Boddicker
    against Ryan. 
    
    BTW - Great piece on Ryan in today's Boston Globe.
    
    Rich
    

    Hey Dinz,
    
    Did ya give the other team a coupla cases of Sammy Adams to let the
    Yanks win????????    That could get a little expensive........
    
    wheel
    
    Oh yeah Sox sweep Toronto - hahahahahahahahahaha (had to rub it in)
    
    SOX ARE H-O-T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    
    sox may be hot, but its all for not...
    
    go twins!!!!!!!
    
    
    sorry paul
    

    Allright, the kiss of death has officially been applied to the boys
    from Minnesota... :-)
    
    
    py

    Mike when it comes to baseball you know less than your buddy Catalano,
    Rocket Roger is baseball...........you have got to let your jealousness
    go some time................why not now.
    
    TpG

    Mike when it comes to baseball you know less than your buddy Catalano,
    Rocket Roger is baseball...........
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    

 If this is the case Tom, then baseball is worst shape than I thought. I
 mean I knew it was boring and filled with Egomanics but now you tell me
 the whinners, complainers and excuse-makers are in charge? What a sorry
 state of affairs....

 crunch may have not known alot but he sure knew how to make a GONG, sting...

 mike

    Keep it up with the GONGS, Karen.  If any team deserves it, it's
    Steinbrenner's Yankees.
    
    Rich, I believe Geren is in his late 20s.  He's been a career minor
    leaguer.  Yanks haven't started hitting yet.  If/when they do, I'm
    hoping the pitching craps out.
    
    Carlos Quintana is for real.  
    
    Clemens has become an even better pitcher because of the occassional 
    wildness.  Whether it's intended or not, I don't know, but he's got 
    his teammates fired up, and the opposition on their toes.  He's no 
    Einstein, and I, for one could care less.  I only care what he does and
    says on the field.
    
    Tony Pena has made a MAJOR impact on this team, and I'm going to enjoy
    the pennant race for as long as I can. 
    
    					Steve

    
    "I'm going to enjoy the pennant race for as long as I can." 
    
    					-Steve Morgan

    
    exactly.. till they blow it in september.. face it , its fate..
    
    
    this team has played over their  head, aramgedon coming in  september
    
    dinz
    

    re Mike C
    
    If you had a son with his talent you'd play a different tune.He
    is without a doubt the best pitcher in baseball.
    
    Tom

    
    ha.. best pitcher in baseball??  i think  Mr king  from Chicago
    
    might have something to  say about that..
    
    clemens/sox= another disapointment in oct
    

I think Steve "Captain" Morgan said it best...I too am enjoying!



I like Roger.  He's not perfect always in the personality department,
but you can't deny he has talent and is using it very well this
season.

Reed is a damn good player.  He's hit well in the clutch, and he's
a very good fielder.  I'd rather see him play than Barret.

Pena...my God what can I say.  This guy is one of the best acquisitions
I've seen in a long time!  Great arm, good with the pitchers.  Sheesh,
he even looks like a little kid when he takes his mask off and his helmet
makes his ears stick out.

Everyone on this squad is contributing and that's why their in first
place.  Truly a fine illustration of why the whole is greater than
the sum of its parts.


'Saw

    
    I think the BOSOX came together as a team when they all voted to
    bean the Cleveland batter.  Bring back more brush back pitches.
    These $4 mil. batters have it too easy.
    
    Denny Mclain in an interview related a story.  A guy came up and hit
    a homerun off of him.  The next time the guy came up, Mclain hit him
    in the back.  As the guy was going toward first base he said to Mclain
    "are we even?" and Denny just nodded.  Nowadays we would have a bench
    clearing brawl.
    
    \pjb
    

    >	Dan?  Being anything but obnoxious if the Yankees were winning?
    >Come on Rich, surely you jest.
    
    Always gracious in victory; always gracious in defeat.
    
    Dan

    Dinz, I went to school with an Aram Chooljian.  Is he any relation
    to that guy who's coming in September, aramgedon?
    
    Lee

    
    maybe  long lost cousins
    
    
    how ya feeling buddy?
    

    Let me check.....Hmmm, I feel *good*.
    
    Lee

re Lee and "I feel *good*" :


	Lee Timmons -- SPORTS Godfather of Soul!

    Yanks are now over 15 games out of first;  worst record in baseball
    still;  lost a no-hitter yesterday;  Mattingly is an 0-4 away from 
    crossing below .250 {no All-star this year};  
    
    When does the predicted improvement start?  

   �   Mattingly is an 0-4 away from  crossing below .250 {no All-star
       this year};  

   	Half the people picked for all star teams seem to be based on name
   recogniton rather than actual performance. Mattingly would probably
   make it if he was batting .200

   Mike JN

    And he should.

Same principle as that hokey awards show last week.

They should re-name it the "All-Popularity Game".

Mattingly would make it if he were to lose a leg, an
eye, and have to play with a colostomy bag.  Just goes to show
you how intelligent and informed the American public is....

'Saw

    The last time I checked, Mattingly was not leading the A.L.
    firstbasemen in all star votes.  In fact, I don't remember him starting
    last year either.

    Just wanted to step in to say that I'm a true Sox fan - my season is
    made whenever the Sox finish higher than the hated Yankees...  So, it
    seems pretty clear that this is going to be another successfull season!
    Let's bring on the Celts!
    
    ML

    re .195 (Mac):
    
    As of the totals posted in the BASEBALL notesfile on June 25th, Mark
    McGwire was leading Mattingly by about 90,000 votes, with the guy who
    really deserves it based on this year's production (Cecil Fielder) a
    distant third.
    
    
    py

Guy in front of me at the game lasted week was voting for Nick Esasky.  When I
questioned him, he had a nice argument about how Esasky was having a typically
good year and is better than Glenn Davis ("one dimensional") and Will Clark
("he's overrated and a head case").  He told me I didn't know anything about
the national league when I explained that Esasky has been out all year.

And these are the people who vote.
j.

    Jeff,
    
    Everytime I've brought up the fans voting and how it should not
    be the basis of electing the team, I've been roundly shouted down.
    I've given up.   We fancy ourselves real fans in here, but the 
    majority of fans vote on name recognition.  
    
    I have Esasky on my rotis team.  Yeah, he's having a *great* year.
    
    The arguements are always the same.  *So and so* plays for a team
    in a media hotbed.  He's way overrated (read: *so and so* plays
    for a team a hate (in Boston, for instance, that would be any Yankee
    or Met), or in reality *so andso* doesn't play for *my* team).
    *So and so* is a crybaby/whiner/child molester/quiche eater/entrail
    sniffer (again, read:  so and so doesn't play for my team).  *So
    and so* plays for a great team, so his numbers are inflated (or
    he plays in a hitter's park, a pitcher's park, etc - again, he doesn't
    play for my team).
    
    Fan voting is a joke, but then again so is sportscasters voting,
    and even peer voting, since these guys usually vote for the status
    quo.  
    
    I for one would rather have all *All-star (hype/popularity)* games
    cancelled - that's all sports, not just baseball.
    
    They serve no purpose, in my opinion, unless they figure out a way
    to make a fair selection criteria.
    
    JD

�
�And these are the people who vote.
�j.

Scarier thought:

	These are the same people who vote for President!

'Saw

   <<< Note 244.200 by CAM::WAY "Liverpool Reds - The Pride of Merseyside" >>>

�
�And these are the people who vote.
�j.

>>>Scarier thought:

>>>	These are the same people who vote for President!


 EVEN SCARIER THOUGHT: IT SHOWS!!!!

mike

�                   -< George Bush our biggest Embaressment >-


   Mike C

   Won't sing George's praises.... but if you'll recall, the choice I had
   at the polls from the two main parties were George and Docockus. With
   that choice, they could hold the election every year until ducks write
   Shakespeare, and Georgie still gets my vote.

   Mike JN

�                   -< George Bush our biggest Embaressment >-


   Mike C

   Won't sing George's praises.... but if you'll recall, the choice I had
   at the polls from the two main parties were George and Docockus. With
   that choice, they could hold the election every year until ducks write
   Shakespeare, and Georgie still gets my vote.

   Mike JN



or a third choice the write in canidate Brewster..... ;^)

    Dinz,
    
    Sox win 3-2 on a Kevin Romine homer in the bottom of the 9th!
    
    I ain't cryin' yet!!!!   8^)
    
    wheel

    
    Forgot:  that's 16 gongs now.......hahaha

    re: a few back, 
    
    For us stats freaks, the best way would be to select a team based
    *purely* on the stats to date...  The weekly newsletter I co-publish
    will do just that about a week from now - I'll have to remember to
    bring it in and subject it to your abuse :-)...
    
    (As to how do you judge which is better, Homeruns or steals, we use
    some statistical algorithms to compute a player's worth in each
    category in relation to other players).
    
    ML

    Boddicker wins #11 as Sox beat Ryan's Rangers.

I know a lot of you will probably disagree with me, but my personal
feeling is that the players should pick the All-Stars for the game.

Imagine the scenario where you work, if you were asked to vote on 
"all-stars".

There would most likely be a couple of folks who would get the nod
because by far and away they excel.  These same folks would probably
get a fan ballot too, because they shine so boldly.  

BUT, would anyone in the world outside of DEC know about that guy
or gal who comes in every day, and quietly goes about the business
of excelling?  Oh, maybe their "stats" aren't HoF quality, but when
something needs doing, they're right there.  Or when the dike springs
a leak it's their finger in the hole....

See, I feel that the players themselves would know that a Jody Reed
(only an example) is Mr Clutch, or that Andy Hawkins is a better
pitcher than his record indicates...

JMHO,
'Saw

    re.209   I concur.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Saw, you can't imagine how tough it is for me to ignore that "finger
    in the hole" line of yours!!!   :*)
    
    Lee

�    Saw, you can't imagine how tough it is for me to ignore that "finger
�    in the hole" line of yours!!!   :*)
    
Lee, I can imagine it.  If you had written it, don't think that I wouldn't
be sitting here like a power hitter waitin' on a hangin' curve.....

(And oh, he got alla that one....)

'Saw

    
    The moderator's "set hidden" finger is twitchin' again.
    

    Hey Frankwa...you gotta admit, if Mattingly could play MLB with one
    less eye, one less leg, and a colostomy bag, he'd deserve to be on the
    all stars.
    
    Heck, I'd vote for him.
    
    JoJ

�    Hey Frankwa...you gotta admit, if Mattingly could play MLB with one
�    less eye, one less leg, and a colostomy bag, he'd deserve to be on the
�    all stars.
    
Touch�, JOJ.

The Black Knight in Python's "Holy Grail" comes to mind... still fighting
after all his limbs were hacked off.  He didn't have a colostomy bag
though.

Yeah, I guess I'd vote for him too....

BTW, Monte Stratton tried a comeback after losing a leg....


HTH,
f�

    WEll, the Black Knight was willing to bite some legs off....pretty
    aggressive guy, wouldn't you say?
    
    JoJ

   "It's just a flesh wound...come back and fight like a man! I'll bite
   your knees off!"

    Fetcheth the holly hand grenade!
    

     
     This one goes out to Dickster, whoever and wherever you are. Yea,
    the Yankees may not be doing that great this year(o.k their not
    doing sh*t this year). Big deal. I don't care if the Yanks don't
    win another World Series in my lifetime, theYanks are and will always
    be a better ball team than the Red Sox. Who are the Red Sox anyway.
    I'll tell you. They're a bunch of chokers, A bunch of mediocre 
    ballplayers in a sub mediocre organization. A bunch of chumps who'll
    never never win another pennant nevermind another world series.
    they'll remain the same, a club with any real past to speak of
    (execpt Williams and Yaz) and no real future. I truly pity Sox
    fans. They remind me of those southerns who are still bitter about
    the war(civil). Give it up Sox fans. When the teams were equally
    matched, YOU KNOW DAMN WELL THE SOX COULDN'T HOLD THE YANKEES
    JOCK STRAP. But now you pitiful Red Sox fans shin with pride
    everytime the Sox beat up on the last place team in the division,
    and the Boston media did their usual hype job on the sox, acting
    like they're the second coming of the...............well '27 Yanks.
    Red Sox fans, Give me a brake and go pick on someone your own
    size, like maybe the A's hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! You Sox fans
    know you wet your pants everytime the A's come to town!
    

     
    To correct a typo, thats No real past to speak of. not any real
    past.

     
     A couple more things about Boston .
    
  1. Why are ALL of boston teams so god aweful slow.
  2. Why do Bostonteams seem to choke in the clutch.
    
                      in summary
    
    the Sox aren't worth a damn!
    the celtics USED to be good, now they ain't sh*t
    the bruins ain't shit, bunch of chokers
    the patriots, well just ask Doug Flutie about the patriots.
    B.C ain't sh*t in no sport.
    Neither is B.U.
    Even your Govenor is a bleeping loser!
    
     in fact Mass has had exactely 2 real athletes in town( and they
    left right away; Juilus Erving-umass left after soph. year.
    Babe Ruth, what team did he go to again?    

    	My, my my...  Someone get this guy a scratching post or something.

    Julius Erving left after his junior year, you idiot.  And he's now a
    real Doctor, having been awarded an honorary degree by the University.
    
    John

    
     Does me voicing my opinoin or making a mistake really constitute
    you calling me an idiot. I thought that that was what this note
    was about; opinions. I don'y really think that comment was neccasary.

>>     Does me voicing my opinoin or making a mistake really constitute
>>    you calling me an idiot. I thought that that was what this note
>>    was about; opinions. I don'y really think that comment was neccasary.

If you got normally mild-mannered John Hendry to call you an idiot, you
probably deserved it.

    Malik, you seem to imply that Babe Ruth left on his own.  Not true.
    He was sold.
    
    And tell me that Dr. J. would have stayed in ANY school when he
    was offered big bucks to play in the pros.
    
    Why the sour grapes in here, are you that depressed that your Yankees
    sip discreetly?  Are Sox fans supposed to hang their heads in shame
    because their team is in 1st place?  Is that what Yankee fans did
    in the past?  No way (sorry, Frank).  
    
    Lee

     
     No sour grapes. Just trying to keep things interesting here. And
    no, I don't want the Sox fans to hang their heads. I would like
    to see them go through the whole season in 1st place, right up until
    the final game, that way they could lose the division in style to
    the Bluejays. 

    RE:  SHRFAC::HUNTER
    
    See... now there's the difference between Sox fans and Yankee fans.
    

>    See... now there's the difference between Sox fans and Yankee fans.

	Oh boy. So now SHRFAC::HUNTER is representative of all Yankee fans?
And who is representative of all Sox fans? and what's the difference?

	This Yankee fan has got to know...

	Jim M
    

    You have every right to express your opinion but if you're going to
    make a statement of fact, you better have your facts right.  That's why
    I called you an idiot.  If you're going to take a cheap shot at a state
    full of people and use one of the greatest athletes this state has had
    (and in your opinion, one of the only two) you should at least know a
    little bit about his past.
    
    Babe Ruth didn't leave voluntarily, he was sold by stupid Red Sox mgt. 
    Julius Erving would have been stupid if he hadn't left.
    
    I will apologize for having had a bad day yesterday but I won't
    apologize for anything else.
    
    John
    
    PS - Jeff, was I *THAT* mild-mannered at the Patriots Day game?

    
    >     
    >This one goes out to Dickster, whoever and wherever you are. Yea,
     
    Ummm....I'm not sure how or why this is directed to me..  Please
    tell me, was it something I said?  Do my armpits offend you?
    
    Dickster: whoever.  See the Introduction Note.  I'm sure you can
                        find it.  If you can't, let me know and I'll
                        provide some foolproof instructions.
    
    Dickster: wherever.  Curruntly MRO1-1, Marlboro, MA, Telecommunications
                         Department, Pole JK 20.  Live in Barre, MA.
    
    If you're ever in the area, stop by and I'll buy you a cup of coffee
    and a stale donut from the cafeteria.  If it's after work, I'll
    by you an "attitudinal adjusting liquid refreshment."
    
    Have a relatively decent day.
    
    Dickster
    

What a wonderful 4th...  Sox beat Twins on Dewey's {seemingly} annual
Fourth of July dinger.   Yanks get destroyed and swept by the last place
Royals, outscored in the three game series 30-12.

Yank fans keep talking about "just you wait... they'll improve"... Can
one of you clarify what "improvement" means?   5th place?  .500 ball in
the second half?   

You realize that if the Yanks could run off a 20 game win streak, they'd
still be at least a couple games out of first?    

Where was Don?

If the Yanks do not trade Righetti and Barfield in the next two weeks, then
you must question whether they are truly interested in rebuilding.

Righetti should be worth at least a couple prospects from a contender... but
then again, he hasn't shown anything for a long time.

    
    rigth, he only has  like  19 saves, caterorises him as a stiff i
    guess..  I hope Mr Ross like others will be in here, when the FLOPS
    blow it in september..
    
    AND i thought  today was gonna be a dull day  ha..
    
    dinz
    

    re Righetti:
    
    Alternatively, I think the second half of the season might be a good
    time for the Yanks to try Righetti as a starter and turn the closer
    role over to one of their projected future closers (Mills or Willie
    Smith), or maybe Gutterman.  They don't have anything to lose at this
    point by giving it a shot.
      
      
    py

>If the Yanks do not trade Righetti and Barfield in the next two weeks, then
>you must question whether they are truly interested in rebuilding.


	I would agree with the trading of Barfield, though not necessarily
Righetti. 


>Righetti should be worth at least a couple prospects from a contender... but
>then again, he hasn't shown anything for a long time.

	Dave has provided saves in all but 2 of the opportunities he has had
this year, so I'm not sure what you mean. He also loves playing for the
Yankees, which in these times is reason enough to hang onto him. He's still
young enough to be a quality pitcher for 4-5 more years.

	As far as your comments in the previous note go, I'll let the ones about
Mattingly slide, seeing as they are probably bait for Dan :^) As far as seeing
improvement goes, I think it means letting some of these kids play, and see
what they've got. Yes, they are going to make mistakes, commit errors, have
terribly bad games, etc. Hopefully, though, they will learn as each day passes,
and improve, and make less mistakes and more good plays. This is just the type
of year where every error leads to runs by the other team, every missed 
opportunity they have comes back to haunt them, the pitching is good when the
hitting is bad, and vice versa. Part of that is luck, but just a small part. I
think the other part of it is not playing with confidence, and letting the other
team take the initiative. The Yankees game in the recent past was to jump on
the opposing pitcher of 3-5 runs in the first couple of innings and go from
there. Now, they seem to take their cue from the other team. Let the other
team score first, and try to play catchup. And I think you approach the
game differently when you are constanly playing catch-up ball. 

	Yes, I'm real dissapointed and frequently embarassed by the performance
of this years club. But mistakes being made now are being made by inexperienced
youths, earlier this year they were being made by jaded veterans. If a rock
bottom season is what is needed to shake things up a let Steinbrenner smell
the coffee, then I say good. After all it's been 78 years since the last time
they finished dead last. They were probably due :^)

	Jim M

This was as of last Friday... doesn't include last night when he got
M.C. Hammer'ed.

                     w  l   g  gs   gf cg  s   ip    h   r  er  hr bb  so
Dave Righetti        1  0  23  0  0 21  0 15  22.0  23  12  11  5  11  17

E.R.A. is above 5 now... ratio over 1.6...   5 homers in 22 innings?   Are
these the numbers of a quality closer?   

His best days are well behind him.  

You still have qualified "improvement"...  What does it mean?  .500 ball?
5th place?  3rd place?   or just a warm feeling that the guys are trying 
like heck out there? 

>                     w  l   g  gs   gf cg  s   ip    h   r  er  hr bb  so
>Dave Righetti        1  0  23  0  0 21  0 15  22.0  23  12  11  5  11  17

>E.R.A. is above 5 now... ratio over 1.6...   5 homers in 22 innings?   Are
>these the numbers of a quality closer?   

	I see 15 saves in 22 Innings Pitched and 15 Saves in 17 Save situations.
Are those the numbers of a quality closer?

>His best days are well behind him.  

	You are certainly entitled to your opinion. That happens to be 
my opinion about Lee Smith, Jeff Reardon, Dave Smith, and few other releivers.
There would be takers if Righetti was offered in a trade. I just think he's
still a useful pitcher for New York.


>You still have qualified "improvement"...  What does it mean?  .500 ball?
>5th place?  3rd place?   or just a warm feeling that the guys are trying 
>like heck out there? 

	Let's see - I guess I would have to qualify improvement as 45-50 wins
in the final 86 games - better than .500 ball - try to keep losses for the 
season under 91. How's that?

Jim M

>     Does me voicing my opinoin or making a mistake really constitute
>    you calling me an idiot. I thought that that was what this note
>    was about; opinions. I don'y really think that comment was neccasary.

So it's ok for you to call thousands of people pittifull but one comment 
towards you and it's whine time.  Take a pill buddy.


mc

>	You are certainly entitled to your opinion. That happens to be 
>my opinion about Lee Smith, Jeff Reardon, Dave Smith, and few other releivers.
>There would be takers if Righetti was offered in a trade. I just think he's
>still a useful pitcher for New York.

Agreed.  Righetti falls into the same category as Reardon and the Smiths.
But it begs the question - how useful is he if there aren't many games to
save?   How useful will he be next year if the Yankees don't get a better 
nucleus of younger players to build on?

Would you trade him to the Braves for Glavine ?

>	Let's see - I guess I would have to qualify improvement as 45-50 wins
>in the final 86 games - better than .500 ball - try to keep losses for the 
>season under 91. How's that?

Great.  That would certainly be improvement.  But I don't see it happening
without a trade of Righetti and/or Barfield... 

>Agreed.  Righetti falls into the same category as Reardon and the Smiths.
>But it begs the question - how useful is he if there aren't many games to
>save?   How useful will he be next year if the Yankees don't get a better 
>nucleus of younger players to build on?

	Interesting questions. I still would hate to trade him, although 
I have confidence that Mills will get the job done when it's his time.

>Would you trade him to the Braves for Glavine ?
	I suppose so, but only if Hawkins or LaPoint were sent away at about
the same time. It would be interesting to see exactly what the Yankees
would get for Righetti at this point. 

Heck, I think they should deal Mel Hall and give away Balboni, too. But, 
that means you are building around Mattingly, Sax, and Kelly. Enough? Nokes may
surprise and actually fit in, he can certainly handle left-handed DH/PH role
along with some catching. The trouble spots are 3B, SS, and a cleanup hitter, 
along with strengthening the starting rotation. The answer to 3B could lie
within the organization - Leyritz, Blowers - and the rest of the season is
the time to find out. Espinoza is no longterm SS, at least I don't think so -
but then I don't think Velarde is, either. I think they could trade for help
at that position, unless the 2B at AAA - Stankiewicz, can learn to play SS.
Also the long term 3B answer for the Yanks is Andy Fox, who is still in A ball,
I think. As far as a cleanup hitter goes, I think that hunting a RH hitting
cleanup man is not the answer. They have tried Baylor, Clark, Winfield, Barfield
etc. over the years, with some, but not much success. Playing at Yankee
Stadium, the Yanks need a LH cleanup hitter, who is feared at the Stadium. As
long as the hitter is a true Major League hitter - hits righties and lefties - 
he should be fine. Alot of successful Yankee teams have had Left-hand batting
cleanup hitters - Gehrig, Jackson, and Mantle was a switch-hitter but more
dominant Left-handed, etc.

Jim M

    As A sox fan, I'll say this:
    
    If the Sox had Righetti, I'd be almost positively assured the Sox
    would win the AL East, and I'd give them a chance vs. the A's (provided
    the A's win the West).  that's my opinion.
    
    The Sox are by no means the greatest thing since sliced (Yaz) bread,
    and I won't do any gloating before it's time.  
    
    BTW:  In a NY Poll, a vast majority of people polled said they'd
    rather root for the Mets, and the overwhelming majority of Yankee
    fans responding said they are fed up with Steinbrenner.  (No surprise
    there.)  New York has been a Yankee town forever.  George has managed
    to turn the town against the Yankees and the House that Ruth Built.
    Said commentary.
    
    JD

    Righetti's a gamer.  I'd take him anyday on my team.  
    
    Lee

     Comments heard during yesterdays Sox vs. Twins game on ESPN summarize
    this long-running and content-void discussion:
    
    Commentator #1:			 "This Yankee team is so bad it's
    					impossible to hate."
    
    Commentator #2:			"Not if you're a Red Sox fan."

    < Note 244.224 by AXIS::ROBICHAUD "TheDeepThroatFamilyFunKit" >


>    	My, my my...  Someone get this guy a scratching post or something.

    Note of the year!  Congrats, Slasher!
    
    Mark.

    	I'll tell ya, I've only seen this guy Mills once, but he sure
    looks intimidating.  I disagree with JD about Rags.  If Harris and
    Kiecker come crashing down one used bullpen stopper will not save
    the day.  
    
    				/Don

    Yah, but /don, with Jeff Dan Schneider Reardon in the bullpen, the
    Sox could make Rags a STARTER, which would automatically make him
    the 3rd starter....
    
    JD

    	That's not what you said the first time JD.  You waffle so much
    you should run for office!
    
    				/Don

    /Don, wheter a starter or a reliever, Rags would assure the Sox
    the AL East.  I'm telling ya.  I didn't think of the starter bit
    until you mentioned the 3 blind mice the Sox have in 3-5 starting
    position.  Gotta admit that Clemens, Bods and rags is a pretty darn
    good trio.
    
    Boy, if only the Sox could have a pitcher like Tudor, or Ojeda,
    or boyd, or...
    
    JD

    	Come on JD, Rags was put in the pen because he would fade after
    4 innings.  Who's to say he can be effective as a starter?  You
    and MrT better make some room on that Mets bandwagon, because the
    Dinz is starting to Vane again...
    
    				/Don

    /Don,
    
    Hey, he's better than what they got.  Dinz on the Mets bandwagon
    - hah - he'll probably go back to the Sox.  
    
    JD

re:       <<< Note 244.234 by FSHQA2::JHENDRY "John Hendry, DTN 292-2170" >>>
    
>>    PS - Jeff, was I *THAT* mild-mannered at the Patriots Day game?

Sorry, John.  I didn't mean to call you "mild-mannered".  I meant to call you
an idiot.  Must have been a typo.

:-)
j.

    
     First of all, my "pitiful" comment was a general comment, no malice
    intended. Nothing personal towards any one noter or anything. Now
    that "idiot" comment was something else. But none of that matters
    now, I would like to make amends with anyone I offended(quite a
    few by the responses). And hey Dickster, no hard feelings o.k,
    that was my bad. I know my delivery is and can be a little
    abrasive, so I'm going to sit back for awhile and listen to you
    guys, and when I have something of real substance to add, I will.
     Deal?
    
                                            Malik
    

    	Hey Malik, don't worry about it.  This is SPORTS.  I for one
    wasn't offended.
    
    				/Don

    me neither... have some fun..
    

    HAHAHAHA!!!  Same old story- the breaking-in of a new noter.....  :-)
    
    Is there a RNOTY (Rookie Noter Of The Year) Award?  This would be a
    banner year.  Then again, the year that Crunchie bopped in may never be
    topped......
    
    Oh, and this is for Wardle.  Hey JimWa, CONGRATS!  Gimme a big helpin
    of CROW, well done.  Blech!  Boy that CROW sure tastes bad!  At least
    I'm in here taking my CROW like a man!  Blech again!  And CONGRATS
    again!  :-)
    
    H�wk

    
    No problem, Malik.  Bashing is a part of SPORTS.  Always was, and
    always will be, as long as it's done good-naturedly and in the spirit
    of fiendly [sic] competition.  Top points are awarded for the heinous
    bash that also provides the biggest belly-laugh.
    
    Lay on, McMalik. 8^) ;-)
    
    Dickster
    

    Yo Malik,
    
    	I can relate to what you are going through.  Technically, I'm
    	still a rookie in this heah note (my 1st year anniversary is
    	in August I think......what're you guys getting me for a 
    	present? ;^)  ).  I remember the first time I entered this
    	notes file.  I found the Bronco note and could NOT believe my
    	eyes.  Guys were calling Elway "Mr. Ed" and talking about what
    	a dawg his wife is.  I was urinated!  They were even talking
    	about my beloved Broncos being pee pee smoochers.  Well, enough
    	was enough I thought.  I was gonna get in here and straighten
    	these bozos out!  Yeah, right........ 
    
    	Anyway, a fellow Donk-lover and ::SPORTS veteran helped me 
    	understand that this is all in fun and to not take it seriously
    	(thanks Steven G.....)
    
    	Remember......he who can twist the facks(tm) and datisticks(tm)	
    	the best WINS!
    
    Claybone

    Malik,
    
    I now apologize for calling you an idiot.  As I said, I was having a
    bad day on Wednesday and I overreacted.  The Ninja had taken over my
    mild-mannered side.
    
    John

    What's with all this kissy-kissy crap?  C'mon, guys, let's BASH!
    
    What kind of bar is this, anyway?  Who ever heard of sports fans
    saying they're sorry?  They might be, but they don't say it.  They
    just buy the guy a beer, or pass him the pretzels.  They might even
    tell the other guy that he MIGHT be right, but they NEVER say they're
    sorry.
    
    I think it's time one of our moderators steps in and puts a stop
    to this disgusting, sugary, kissy-kissy, I'm sorry let's make-up
    garbage and let's get down and dirty!!!!!!!11111
    
    :*)
    
    Lee

    	Hey, Lee's right!  Hey Wardle, you sip and so do the Yankees!

    Congrats, Slasher!!!111
    
    Lee

    the red sox are over rated stiffs... film  at 2!
    
    
    clementime  doesnt reach the 20 game mark..
    
    
    wheres Whitehair?
    
    browns sip.. 
    
    
    
    

    	Hey Dins, another case of Sammy's says Clemens (a.k.a. GOD)
    does win 20.  What do you say?
    
    				/Don

    Hey LeE and SlashWa, whaddya say we all go over to the crow note and
    dig in.  Jo* can join us for lunch!  :-)
    
    H�wk

    
    ::SPORTS means never having to say you're sorry.  NOW SHUT UP, FACE
    REALITY, FACE MECCA (Boston, home of the nexted World Champions
    of professional baseball) GET 'FACED IN THE CELEBRATION, AND GET
    READY TO LAUGH IN SPLEENBENDER'S FACE AS HE GETS SENT UP THE RIVER!!!
    
    BLAM!!!BLAM!!!!BLAM!!!
    
    Dickster
    

    
    I HOPE HE DOES GO  DICKSTER...
    

    Hey Hawk...the Crow Note is the stupidest note on the e-net. It's
    almost as bad as watching auto racing on tv.
    
    JoJ

    
    The Crow Indians had a helluva rowing team.
    

    
>                            -< do ya remember his number? >-
 
    His DTN or outside line number?
    

    Claywad, you fergot to tm that pee-pee smoocher.
    
    Mark.

    /don, does jenny??  video available..
    

    
    
    What is this?  This Malik guy apologizes for saying something ofeensive
    in the Sox-Yankees Rivalry note?  He must be a soccer playing Yankee
    fan.  YUCK!
    
    Bruce

>    Jim, just a small nit, but the Yanks finished last in 1966, although
>    they were just a half game back of the 9th place Sox.
    
    John    , you are right - how could I forget. I think the proper terminology
would be "haven't had the worst record in ML Baseball since 1912"

	Jim M

 Have no fear Soxs' fan George vows not to loose ownership of the yankees.
 The ineptitude will continue.... ;^)

 mike

    Who leaked the Vincent/Steinbrenner hearing transcripts?  George says
    he didn't.

>    Who leaked the Vincent/Steinbrenner hearing transcripts?  George says
>    he didn't.


 yeah right Mac, you want to buy a bridge?  ;^)

    WNEW is broadcasting from Berlin where Roger Waters is putting on "The
    Wall" at the wall.
    
    Anyway, they said this morning that Berlin is great, the only drawback
    is that there are 17 Steinbrenners in the phone book....
    
    JoJ

How many Joe Walton's are there?

    Yes there is...Roger Waters constructed one for his concert. 
    
    JoW
    
    ps - "All in all we're all just bricks in the wall"

    < Note 244.294 by CRBOSS::DERRY "Cooler than a Fridgidaire..." >
                -< Tune in to 'BCN tomorrow from 3:30 - 6:45. >-

    Why?  Floyd sips.
    
    Mark.

    
    Water(s) may not sip, but he does spill!

    IceWoman, you're more of a geek in person than you are in notes.
    No wonder Dr. Midlifecrisis housed you in hoops.
    
    Mark.

    
    re: .298
    
    I wasn't the one wearing flourescent pink shorts with matching
    shoe laces tooling around in a Volvo!  The plastic TMNT pocket
    protector has to go!
    
    :-)
    
    iceMOUNTAIN

    Guess who slapped that New Kids on the Block bumper sticker on your
    car?
    
    Mark.

    re .300
    
    LeFay, that was the last straw !
    
    NKOTB sticker ?
    
    You *are* a geek !

    He's also the babysitter for NKOTB!

    Nolan Ryan goes for #300 tonight against Dave LaPoint.
    
    LaPoint was asked how he felt about going against Ryan and he made the
    following comments (not exact quotes but close):
    
    "Well, I don't hit against him so I can't hurt him at the plate, and he
    doesn't hit against me so I can't throw at him...maybe I'll dig a big
    hole on the mound so he twists his ankle and can't pitch"
    
    Then, LaPoint said:
    
    "If he does win, we're all gonna sign the ball for him, and 10 years
    from now he'll look at it and say...who the heck are these guy"
    
    JoJ

    The Yanks can't even win against Mark Langston!

Boy, those Yankees sure turned out to be spoilers...

They spoiled my image of how a major league baseball team should play.

    
    Yep, the Damn Yanks sure sucked the binky this weekend, eh?
    
    Dickster