Conference 7.286::sports_90

    Was in Denver Monday nite, and was surprised at the speed that the 
    shirthawkers got out t-shirts and sweats with the names of the teams on
    them. Along the 16th Street Mall (jokingly renamed The Strip by one of
    the local papers) all the souvenier shops had dozens of designs of
    shirts, most emblazoned with the team's names (and, in one case, their
    school's logos {not the team's logos}).
    
    McNichols Arena looks like they tie-dyed it... colors everywhere.
    
    McNichols is getting a new floor especially for this event (Doesn't do
    to have the Nuggets logo prominently displayed for TV, after all)
    (but I hear that the new floor has dead spots)
    
    More as things develop.
    
    ...mike
    

The Denver Collisieum will have a 3 point shoot out and a 
All star Game Thursday night 

Seems that the NCAA requires a New floor for the Final 4 it was just 
Installed I would expect that some tuning would have to occur to eliminate 
any dead spots. 

Interesting side note The NCAA will not allow any Advertising inside 
the Arena. 

Jeff

    
    The NCAA doesn't allow any advertising for any of the tournament
    games.  Last year I was at the West Regionals at Big Mac and they
    had all the Nugget and NBA logos covered up.
    
    You probably already know this, but on Friday from noon 'til 4pm
    there are practices open to the public at McNichols.  Each team
    has a 1-hour practice, and there is no admission charge.
    
    
    Joe

    Some facts about the "Altitude flap":
    All four coaches are whining about Denver's altitude. Jerry Tarkanian
    is moaning the loudest, which is truly funny, since he plays at least
    one game every year at altitude (Las Cruces, N.M. is 4700').
    
    The 1983 Final Four was held in Albuquerque, (5200') and all four teams 
    either were not affected or were affected equally, since I don't 
    recall any players turning blue over the air (now Guy Lewis and Co. 
    DID turn blue there, but it was due to a slamdunk).
    
    Salt Lake City, site of the (?)1986 FF, has an altitude of 4000', and
    the the quality of those games was high as well...
    
    It's a straw man. But you betcha you'll hear tons of drivel about it
    from everyone concerned...
    
    
    ...mike
    
    
    

    re: Denver & the altitude
    
    Best thing about the Final 4 is that there's only 5 days for the press
    to blow things totally out of proportion.  The altitude in Denver will
    be a non-factor, but for whatever reason is the kinda thing the press
    loves to write and talk about.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    Re .5:
    
    Not to mention getting the facts totally wrong...
    
    ...mike

    NCAA Contest  (Rounds 1 + 2)
    
    How do we stand going into the Final Four??
    
    PJ
    

    re: .7                                
    
    	i've calculated everything.  i'll post a listing when i get
    a chance.
    
    sean
    
    BTW, I think you scored highest of anybody so far.  You got all
    of the four finalists I believe.

    One last thing about altitude: The Nationalk AAU basketball finals were
    held in Denver for something like thirty years, from about 1935 until
    1970(?). Nobody ever said anything about the altitude then...
    
    ...mike
    

    It seems funny that none of the four teams are located in downtown
    Denver. When asked why, one member of the Organizing committee said
    there were  "no suitable hotels" in the area. 
    
    Might be a surprise to the proprieters of the (four- {and sometimes
    five-} star) Brown Palace.
    
    ...mike
    
    

    Some of the incidental activities include the collegiate all-star game,
    a slam-dunk contest, and the NCAA Coaches' Convention.
    A local pub is having a "cheer-off" involving the various schools'
    cheerleaders...
    
    ...mike
    

�    A local pub is having a "cheer-off" involving the various schools'
�    cheerleaders...

     If that means what I think it means.... You can't say that in here.
             (But I think I'm going to try to get there, anyway.)

Mike JN

    Re:12:
    Marlowe's, Fri. night, 6:00 (I think).
    ...mike

    I wonder if all the Bronco Cheer-offs will be there....like ClayWad.
    
    JoJ

    No, but if I was, I'd volunteer to be one of the guys who holds
    them gals up over their haid(tm) with one hand.  KnowhatImean?
    
    Claybone

    If the FF isn't enough for you, Alice Cooper will be in Denver
    tomorrow.
    
    No word as to whether he has tickets for the game.
    
    ...mike
    

News this morn on the radio said that there are some bogus tickets floatin 
around Donk land...Some guy paid $6K for 4 tickets and got smoked.. He was 
lucky thou, the guy he bought them from gave him his money back and is
now working with the cops trying to find the guy he bought them from.....

Monty    

    
    	$6,000 FOR 4 TICKETS???????????????????????????????
    
    	HAAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHHAHHHHAHA!!!!!!  That's INCREDIBLY funny!!!!
    
    sean

    That's the going price these days.
    
    For $900 per, you can get tickets in (what passes for) the Eucker
    seats. For $1200 you can get a chairback. $1500 gets choice seats
    within shouting distance of the teams' benches.
    
    I'm going to Albuquerque myself...
    
    
    ...mike
    

    >>	$6,000 FOR 4 TICKETS???????????????????????????????
    >>
    >>	HAAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHHAHHHHAHA!!!!!!  That's INCREDIBLY funny!!!!
    
    It's also true. The papers around here have classified ads selling tix
    for 1200, 1500, etc...
    
    I was lucky enough to get a ticket for face value, but if I didn't, I
    would have just watched the games on the tube. Who the hell would pay
    that kind of money for a freakin' sporting event?????
    
    JoJ

    A bit of economic advise for ya JoJ:
    
    
    
    SELL!!
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    
    	That's nutz!!  That averages out to $300, $400 or $500 per GAME!
    And you don't get to hear the Billy and Brunt show!

    The easy thing to for the championship game is wait outside the
    arena tomorrow and buy tickets from the people who are there to
    watch the school that just lost.
    
    John

    Nope... I wasn't explicit enough. That works out to $900, 1200, or 1500
    PER GAME!
    
    It's nutzo.
    
    ...mike
    

    re: ACCKnorr
    
    SELL??? No way. It's only money. This is perhaps a once in a lifetime
    opportunity.
    
    Screw the money, I'm goin to the games. 
    
    JoJ

>    Nope... I wasn't explicit enough. That works out to $900, 1200, or 1500
>    PER GAME!
 
    	No way!!!!  How do the tickets work anyways?  I thought it was
    just a "3 game" pass???  You could actually sell *part* of the ticket
    (first game, say???) and then keep the other 2 games?????
    
    sean   

    It's a three game pass, but it may be seperate tickets. One for
    Saturday, and one for Monday...I haven't seen my tix yet so I'm not
    sure.
    
    
    JoJ

    
    	Hmm...  ok.   How do college kids afford the prices for these
    tix anyways??  Seems sorta stoopid that the make up of the audience
    would be almost entirely non-home school fans... 
    
    sean

    The school gets a certain allotment of tickets. If the kids can get
    the tix for face value, the cost for the 3 game package is $56.00.
    
    I'm sure they can afford that.
    
    JoJ

    
    Yeah, I could come up with 56 bucks if I sold all my textbooks...
    It costs a lot of money to go out to Denver though!  BRUTAL...
    Wonder if I'd do it if my team was in the Final 4?  Probably don't
    have to worry about that ever happening.
    
    BTW, who plays first and at what time?  thanks.
    
    sean

    The way it (used to, any) work is that the four colleges in the FF get
    a certain number of tix. Ostensibly for the kids, but (these days,
    anyway) mostly for the boosters.
    
    
    Besides this, the conferences get tix, the Fuller Brush man (i.e. large
    corporate sponsors), the mailorder folks who were lucky enough to get
    them in the lottery held last year, the Mayor, and the Governor.
    
    Plus the guy who has a luxury box at McNichols with 14 seats who
    refused to allow the NCAA to extort his tickets (he will take his
    brother and twelve orphans) The story on this one is that he bought a
    luxury box years ago, and thus gets to use it at "any public function"
    held at McNichols. The NCAA tried to usurp these tix by claiming that
    the FF "is not a public function" (HAH!) but he took the NCAA to court
    and won (apparently the judge laughed the NCAA out of court). The guy
    then said he'll give twelve tix to local charities, boys' homes, etc.
    but that he and his brother will definitely be there.
    
    ...mike
    

And will the Chainsaw be watching this drivel on TV?

Nah!

He has more interesting things to be doing this Saturday:

		a) lint removal from navel
		b) scraping my own teef
		c) cleaning the toilet
		d) sleeping

Gonna be a great weekend "BABY".....

8^)

    re: JoJ & "Sell" advise
    
    Well, I probably wouldn't sell either, but I ain't necessarily smart.
    
    In '86 when the Sox were in the Series I went to Game 3 (first one at
    Fenway, Sox were up 2-0).  "Once in a lifetime thrill" I said.  "Dream
    come true" I said.  "Oh boy!" I said.
    
    Well we were out in the right field grandstands which aren't the
    greatest seats in the world, but Fenway's Fenway, so I was happy.  The
    thrill of just being there would be enough, or so I thought.  Well the
    Sox fell behind early and, as it turns out, we were sitting right in
    the midst of a Mets contingency.  They were some of *THE* most
    obnoxious fans I'd ever come across, but by far the worst was the *hole
    sitting next to me.  He was drunk as a skunk for starters.  He makes
    derogatory Sox comments all game long.  (I'm no diehard Sox fan or
    anything which ordinarily might've made this kind of comical, but
    there was no humor when talking to this jerk.)  Anyway he wouldn't
    shutup or anything and the Sox were getting blown out, so my childlike
    World Series fantasy was a bit shattered.
    
    (Don't mean this to imply you won't have a great time.  I was just
    unlucky to sit next to an idiot.)
    
    Enjoy the games, 
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    
    	Chris, that was you???? 8^)
    
    	I'll ask again, when the first game & time, please?  thanks.

Chris,

Are you a Red Sox fan???

'Saw

�   BTW, who plays first
    
Sean,

	If I remember correctly, Who played Second.

Phoe Shit Shlep
Mike JN

>	If I remember correctly, Who played Second.

     No, no, no.  What's on second.  Who's on first.

    
    arkansas duke.....

    Ellington, Duke....

Mike JN

    No, Who's on first, Whats on second.
    Who's i the outfield?
    (No, who's on first!)
    
    The games are at 3:07 MOUNTAIN standard time and the second (not what)
    starts 30 minutes after the first (no, not who) ends.
    
    DOOOK/Arky plays first (I thought it was Who).
    
    Now are you confused???????
    
    
    ...mike
    

    Earl, Duke of
    
    				/Don

    
    	re: mike
    
    	Holy sheet!  8^)  thanks brent.

�    Earl, Duke of
    
I'll try Dukes for $1000 please Alex...


	Snyder, Duke

	DUKE	

      (...`cause a man's got ta do what a man's got ta do..., Pilgrim..)

Mike JN

    Not to mention (but I will anyway) that august city  where Jimmy V.
    kneels and kisses the ground of whenever he comes through (yup, he
    REALLY does!)...  Albuquerque, the DUKE city! 

    RE .23 
  
  >  Note 196.23        
  >
  >  The easy thing to for the championship game is wait outside the
  >  arena tomorrow and buy tickets from the people who are there to
  >  watch the school that just lost.
  >  
  >  John


 Are the fans of the 2 losing teams usually willing to sell their tickets for
 the championship game, and do they usually sell them for face value?  If 
 anyone has any or experience about this issue, I would appreciate their
 input.
  
 Attending the championship game would be better than not going at all, 
 but Saturday's doubleheader is undoubtedly considered one of the greatest
 sporting days of the year.


 Joe

    > Chris, are you a Sox fan?
    
    Yup.  I'm a strange breed though Frank, cause I'm not real religous
    about 'em.  My experience has generally been that Red Sox fans are
    among the most loyal and passionate of any sports fan anywhere.  I
    could go on and on 'bout the different personalities/experiences I've
    had with Sox fans but won't, cause this ain't even a baseball note. 
    Suffice to say I find the Red Sox one of the most fascinating
    franchises in all of sports.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    
    Hey Chris, what are you buckin for another job back up here?
    
    The Soxs are a joke, only bigger joke is the yankees....
    
    ;^)
    
    mike

Okay...

I like the Sox, live and die with em.  Don't know if I'll ever
see the team win a Series, but if I do, I sure will party
my a__ off!!!!

1986 is something I prefer not to talk about... and people
shoulnd't mention Bill you-know-who, when I'm around 8^)

later,
fw

   
    	So... Duke vs. UNLV.  any prediktions?  I like UNLV +4 as long
    as Johnson, Augmon and Butler cain keep from fouling out.  Augmon's
    quite the defender, huh?  
    
    sean

    
    I like UNLV also, even if Duke gets all the calls like they did against 
    Arkansas. 
    
    Speaking of Arkansas...
    
    Why aren't you whining about them being in the tournament, JoJ? They
    made the final 4 and didn't beat a top 25 team all year, including the
    tournament. 
    
    RE: tickets
    
    I wouldn't bet on getting a ticket for face value, but you never know.
    If I were a student from Ark or Georgia Tech and decided to sell the
    Championship game seat, I would be stupid to take face value when I
    know people are paying allot more. I would also think a student would
    want to get enough for it to pretty much pay for the trip, unless it
    was a rich daddy that sent the money. Then I would go to the game.
    
                                                   HOOT
    

    >>I like UNLV also, even if Duke gets all the calls like they did against 
    >>Arkansas. 
    
    
    This is without a doubt the biggest bunch of crap I've read to date.
    There were MANY MANY terrible calls in this game, but from where I was
    sitting (front row, upper deck btw) Duke's big men were getting hacked
    big time under the basket and didn't get a freakin' call.
    
    I can remember Hurley dribbling the ball across the mid-court line and
    the RazorBack defender stepped in front of him (blocking foul) knocking
    him off balance and there was no call.
    
    All in all, the officiating was poor, but Arkansas benefited from the
    calls, not Duke.
    
    JoJ

    
    JoJ no way Arkansas benefitted from the calls. Both of their big men
    fouled out yet Abdullnobbee and Laettner where free to do as they
    please. Both team were physical, the fifth foul on Credit was joke.
    
    too bad Phil (I only show up every third game) Henderson decided to 
    have a big one.
    
    second game Anderson to the bench with number 4 at the 11 minute mark
    didn't help Tech. Augmon's denial though on Scott was outstanding too
    bad Packer had to keep throwing it in our face. I'm watching the game
    Bill, I can see....
    
    ABD!!!!!
    
    mike

    	Duke always gets the call JimWa.  They're America's sweetheart
    team.  The fans and alumni are rich.  That's all you need to know.
    
    				/Don

    I got news for ya mike, the fifth foul on Credit was never called.
    
    They got him for his 6th foul. His real fifth foul was a blatant body
    foul.
    
    Abdunabi and Laettner were getting bashed with elbows like you wouldn't
    believe. Arkansas never got called for their most agregious fouls dude.
    Yet, Duke got nailed for alot of little touch fouls.
    
    JoJ
    
    

    
    JoJ, they could call Laettner and Abdullnobbee anytime they want for
    the offensive foul. Both are great at leading with their shoulders. 
    If the Nerds weren't the refs darlings they'd have never gotten by
    SJU....
    
    mike

      I wanted Arkansas to win.  They were the funnest team for me
      to watch in the Final 4.  They lost that 7 point lead so quickly.
      (Granted their run was with Hurley out.)
    
      It looked like the big guy maybe should have sat longer.  I couldn't
      believe how many advantages Duke had in the transition game when
      they overtook Arkansas.
    
      I hope they come back next year.  Plus, I just love their nick-
      name and logo!
    
    

    JimWa, you're so full of steaming feces, it isn't funny.  FWIW, what
    was your opinion of the foul they called on the Arkansas guy (Miller?)?
    You know, the one where he jumped up, grabbed the rebound, and Koubek
    snuck underneath him only to be squished by 270 lbs.
    
    Claybone

    Great p_name Clayboner!  I was rollin' when ol' Al uttered those words
    of wisdom!  :-)
    
    H�wk

    The way it looked to me, was that he launched backwards when he went up
    which is a legitimate foul.
    
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Duke got burned on every call, just
    that Hoot is full of "whatever_definition_you_want_to_use_for_CRAP"
    saying that Duke got all the calls.
    
    There was one ref in particular that really sucked the big one.
    
    The others were ok. 
    
    JoJ

    Well, I guess you're as blind at basketball games as you are on
    the softball field Jo*.
    
    Seriously, I thought the refs made about the same number of bad
    calls against both teams.  The one I mentioned just seemed very
    obvious.
    
    Claybone

    So...I take it,UNLV won the nat. champ?