Conference 7.286::sports_90

    My All-Plan B Team:
    
    QB	Tommy Kramer (Minn.), Doug Williams (Wash.), Doug Flutie (N.E.)
    C	Mike Webster (K.C.), Doug Smith (Rams)
    G	Joe Devlin (Buff.), Jeff Bregel (S.F.), Max Montoya (Cin.)
    T	Damien Johnson (Giant), Newt Harrell (Raiders)
    TE  Ozzie Newsome (Cleve.), Brent Jones (S.F.)
    RB  Curt Warner (Sea.), Ottis Anderson (Giants), Joe Morris (Giants), 
        Sammy Winder (Den.), Ronnie Harman (Buff.)
    WR  Wesley Walker (Jets), Mike Wilson (S.F.), Greg Garrity (Phil.),
        Ron Brown (Rams), Dennis McKinnon (Chi.), James Lofton (Buff.)
    
    NT  Jim Burt (S.F.), Fred Smerlas (Buff.)
    DT  Shawn Miller (Rams), Mark Messner (Rams)
    DE	Art Stills (Buff.), Ed Jones (Dal.)
    LB	Reggie Willians (Cin.), Keena Turner (S.F.), Al Harris (Phil.),
    	Eddie Jonhson (Cleve.)
    S	Todd Bell (Phil.)
    DB	Hanford Dixon (Cleve.), Devon Cherry (K.C.), Leroy Irvin (Rams),
        Raymond Clayborn (N.E.), Eric Wright (S.F.)
    CB	Mark Haynes (Den.), Dwayne Woodruff (Pitt.), Mark Haynes (Den.),
     	Eric Everett (Phil.)
    
    P	Mike Horan (Den.), Barry Helton (S.F.)
    K	Mike Lansford (Rams), John Carney (T.B.)
    KR	Gerald McNeil (Cleve.)
    
    
    
    This team may not be that bad, I guess they can finish with more wins
    than at least Dallas, maybe....
    
    Charles

    For all you Plan B QB hunters out there, here's all those who are
    available:
    
    Scott Campbell (Atl.)
    Gale Gilbert (Buff.)
    Turk Schonert (Cin.)
    Babe Laufenberg (Dal.)
    Blair Kiel (G.B.)
    Tom Ramsey (Ind.)
    Don Strock (Ind.)
    Ron Jarwoski (K.C.)
    Mark Herrmann (Rams)
    Cliff Stoudt (Miami)
    Tommy Kramer (Minn.)
    Doug Flutie (N.E.)
    Jeff Rutledge (Giants)
    Pat Ryan (Jets)
    Neil Lomax (Phoenix)*
    Todd Blackledge (Pitt.)
    David Archer (S.D.)
    Kerwin Bell (T.B.)
    Joe Ferguson (T.B.)
    Doug Williams (Wash.)
    
    * retired
    

    	Supposedly Lansford was told by the Rams not to worry about
    being a Plan B, that he was going to be signed.  The league is
    investigating.  I have no idea what the punishment would be if the
    Rams are found guilty.
    
    				/Don

    Apparently, teams do not protect any kickers.  There is an unwritten
    rule amongst teams not to sign any other teams' kickers.
    
    pete

    The "secret arrangement" kind of thing is done by most teams anyway.
    The 49ers reportedly do this all the time and tell their veterans just
    "stay" and they will be rewarded.  If the Rams is "caught" they will be
    the team singled out, which is unfair.  
    
    About not signing anyone else's kicker, well, if there's is such a
    rule, then it will be a clear violation.  Also, some teams protected
    their kickers I think, am I correct?
    
    Charles

Is there any compensation for signing a Plan B guy?  I see a few guys
out there I think the Jets should nab, particularly Dixon and Irvin in the
secondary and any offensive lineman you can fog a mirror.  These guys
may be a little long in the tooth, but if there's no fee, they probably have
a few more useful years.

Dan

    Dan, I'm pretty sure there is no compensation for a plan B free agent.

>    Dan, I'm pretty sure there is no compensation for a plan B free agent.


that's right Big Mac, No compensation.....

Whoever comes up with the most money win's!!!!

Monty

    Not only is there no compensation, in fact, their current team cannot
    even talk to a Plan B Free Agent until April 1.
    
    John

    I don't think the Jets want Irwin.  He was cut by the Rams this
    year and was re-signed after they had a few injuries.  They could
    have had Irwin this year.
    
    Bruce

    Irvin did not play too bad, but he has other problems.  He got into the
    fight promotion business and there are reports of some shady dealings
    with underworld people etc.  The Rams may not mind getting rid of him
    for less distraction.  Irvin himself said at the end of last season
    that he would not mind quitting football altogether and plunge into his
    "business."
    
    Charles

    Wouldn't George Allen simple have loved Plan B!
    
    Sarge

    
    re: .10  ::MAY_BR "Wimp football Rules!"
    
    Hey Bruce, does this P-name refer to football rules that are wimpy,
    or do you mean it as in "Wimp football *ROOLZ* (v. trans.)
    
    -Just curious
    

    I would think that Jay Novacek (Phoenix Cardinals Tight End/H-Back)
    would be highly sought after in the Plan B market.  Any team that
    incorporates the TE in their passing game would be wise to give him a
    look.  With Mickey Shuler coming off of an injury...with the Raiders
    going back to 'Raider Football'.....with Ozzie Newsome nearing
    retirement (even though they have Lawyer Tillman....Tillman would
    prefer to remain a wide-out)....with Pete Holohan in his
    thirties.....any one of these teams could use a TE with Novacek's
    talents (pass catcher....not much of a blocker!!).  I'd like for the
    Pats to sign him, but they're too hung up on having an OL for a TE
    instead of a pass-catcher (Eric Sievers had a good year for them in
    '89, maybe they'll continue to go to the TE in the '90s...and Sievers
    is in his early to mid thirties).
    
    
    
    Nelly

    >I don't think the Jets want Irwin.  He was cut by the Rams this
    >year and was re-signed after they had a few injuries.  They could
    >have had Irwin this year.

You should've seen Bobby Humphrey play this year.  If Irwin's not on
crutches, I'll take him,.

Dan 

    re wimp football rules:
    
    Last year MrT said the 49ers played wimp football.

   I have a question these plan B guys. If they don't sign with anybody
   else by April 1, there present team gets to resign them. Does that 
   mean they get a new contract or do they just continue with the contract
   they had before Feb 1st. What happens if there team doesn't want them
   back, do they still get the money from the contract they had or is that
   contract void too.

Chuck

  � I have a question these plan B guys. If they don't sign with anybody
  � else by April 1, there present team gets to resign them. Does that 
  � mean they get a new contract or do they just continue with the contract
  � they had before Feb 1st. What happens if there team doesn't want them
  � back, do they still get the money from the contract they had or is that
  � contract void too.
    
    One of the things that makes this Plan B thing work is that *most*
    of the player contracts that are called "multi-year" are in truth
    just a series of one-year deals.
    
    I'm sure you can recall reading about or hearing about Joe
    Linebacker "signing a series of 4 one-year contracts for a total
    of $1.25 million" or something similar ...
    
    So given that Joe Linebacker had a separate contract for 1988,
    another for 1989, yet another for 1990, and so on, it then becomes
    easier to see how Plan B works.
    
    If the team puts Joe on the Plan B list and another team signs
    him, then his old team is released from the rest of the one-year
    deals.  If no other team signs Joe, his original team just
    executes the next year's deal and the cycle continues.
    
    At least, this is my understanding ...
    
    Bob Hunt                        

       According to Bob Woolf, NO teams have shown any interest in Dougie
    or Don Majkowski. Majik however, would require 2 number 1 picks to
    the Pack in return.
                                     Denny

I'd really be surprised if the Raiders show no interest in Majkowski. He seems
to fit the Raider image: a hard nosed kid who takes no crap and has a real
drive to win, and the skills to make it happen. I was surprised he didn't make
the All-Madden Team (or did he?).

Mike JN

    Long-term, NFL contracts are either the type Bob Hunt talks about,
    a series of 1-year deals, or a true multi-year contract.  The reason
    few people move after the expiration of a contract is the NFL
    compensation rule.  A team signing a Plan A free agent (one of the
    37 protected players whose contract has just happened to expire)
    must give compensation to the team losing the player.  That was
    why the Redskins had to give the Bears a couple of draft choices
    for Wilber Marshall.
    
    What the team is saying to a Plan B free agent in effect is to go
    ahead and make his own deal with someone else, the player is free
    to do so.  If a player isn't interested in leaving or if no one
    else is interested in that player, he's no worse off than he was
    before.  If he's got a multi-year contract, the team that he was
    with must either retain him or cut him loose.  If he's got a contract
    that has expired, then the team has the choice of whether to exercise
    its option on him.
    
    The only differences with the existence of Plan B are that a player
    can go out and change teams without any compensation being due to
    the original team (which should theoretically allow for more player
    movement), and a player in the middle of a true multi-year contract
    can make a move instead of being bound to a team.
    
    Keep in mind the following:  Unlike basketball and baseball, which
    have true multi-year contracts that are guaranteed, there are no
    guarantees in the NFL.  A player can be cut loose at any time with
    no guarantees, except for money owed for playing during the season,
    and the half-season minimum for vested veterans.
    
    John

    	John's right as usual.  I read where there are 4 or 5 guaranteed
    contracts in the entire NFL.
    
    				/Don

re: john

Then is it true that , if a QB has 2 years left on his contract and is on Plan
B and a team from the Dark Side wants him, that his contract is now void with
that team(last team played for)???  I thought that the contract was legal
binding type of thing?????

Monty

� Then is it true that , if a QB has 2 years left on his contract and is on
� Plan B and a team from the Dark Side wants him, that his contract is now void
� with that team(last team played for)???  I thought that the contract was
� legal binding type of thing?????

Monty

	The QB doesn't HAVE to sign with the team that wants him. If they want
him, and he wants the move, and the money offered, he can go... current
contract nullified. If he doesn't want the team or the money, he can stay,
contract in force.

Mike JN

    Maj was one of the 3 QBs named by Madden (Montana, Elway other two) not
    counting Cunningham as a punter.
    
    Charles
    

       Yeah but didn't he drop Mr. Ed when he say him in the wimp suit?
                                     Denny

As someone said, there are only 4 or 5 guaranteed contracts in the NFL.
All other players MUST MAKE THE TEAM EACH YEAR TO GET THEIR MONEY.
Therefore, if a Plan B free agent has a multi-year deal with "former"
team, doesn't sign with a new team, and isn't kept by "former" team,
he's not only unemployed, he doesn't get a paycheck.

If Plan B free agent's contract has expired, and he doesn't sign with a
new team, "former" team can sign him, but it must be for at least 100%
of the value of his previous contract.  If "former" team doesn't sign
him between 4/1-4/15, he is again free to negotiate with any other team.


Joe

      I think all these new rules are getting confusing.  There are quite
    a few good players left unsigned,  and it will be interesting to see
    what happens.
    
    	Tim