Conference 7.286::sports_90

    I enjoyed this game immenseley as I had the 49ers and over the total
    pts for some pocket change,as for the game there really wasn't one
    it looked like a typical niner practice ,these 2 teams were definitely
    the best there conferences could offer,in the AFC the Broncos wrapped
    up the division by week 11 and coasted ,and SF had the best record
    in football.I really think that the niners are this good and they
    could've made the score worse if they wanted too.That now ties the
    competition at 12-12 in the big game but the only team from the
    AFC to win in the last 10 years is the Raiders,the bottom line is
    the NFC is far superior and I don't see it changing for a while.
    
    
    Tom

    Well that was some beating the 49ers handed out.  Must REALLY be
    frustrating for Bronco fans.  
    
    Congratulations to the 9ers.  Truly the best of the decade.
    
    It's unfortunate that Mecklenberg may have to have knee surgery.  On
    the leg whip by the 49er Offensive Lineman (I don't remember who) Meck
    took the blow.  KOA Post Game Show interviewed Meck and he said that
    he'll have athroscopic surgery on Tuesday AM, and will probably need
    knee surgery following.  
    
    Additionally, the "Voice of the Broncos", Bob Martin of KOA Radio was
    admitted to a New Orleans hospital early yesterday morning for surgery
    for bone cancer and didn't announce the game on KOA.  I wish you well
    Bob!
    
    Live from Charger Central....
    
    Glenn

Elway made Terry Bradshaw look like Albert Einstein.... and that's not
easy to do.


My only question:   Who will claim credit for the innovative shovel pass
blitzkrieg offense that took Denver out of the game from the start?

Does it get any easier to swallow these kind of losses??  Hell no!
Do I still love the Broncs? Hell yes!  Did someone get the number
of that train yesterday?  It's hard to believe that Montana keeps
getting BETTER each game...gawd the Niners were awesome.

Not much you can say about Denver...never in my wildest dreams did I
think it would be this big of a blowout.  It's hard to pinpoint any
particular weakness (short of saying it was a 'team loss').   There is
something in the preparation that prevents Denver from being mentally 
and emotionally ready for each Super Bowl.

Little things that are going to make the off-season a long one (granted,
they probably wouldn't have made much difference in the outcome):

- Mark Jackson's drop
- Humphrey's fumble
- Mark Haynes untimely appearance in the game
- Atwater's unability to make a presence (again)
- Elway's very off day...played like a rookie

'Nuff said.  I know you anti-Donk fans are anxious and waiting...

so....let the bashing begin.

Dale

    
    Bashing the Donks at this point would be nothing more than beating
    a dead horse.  Let 'em rest in peace.
    
    -Dick
    

    If any one factor can be identified as "what made the difference", I
    think it was the 49ers pass protection.  No secondary in the world can
    cover Rice, Taylor, and co. forever.  When a QB gets the amount of time
    to throw that the 49ers offensive line afforded Joe Montana yesterday,
    someone WILL get open sooner or later.  I'm sure much will be written 
    both in this conference and the press about John Elway's off day, but 
    the fact that "Montana wasn't even knocked down" was I think much more
    significant.
                                                           
    Gonna be tough to bet against the 49ers to "threepeat".
    

    py

    P.S. If Bubba Paris is 299 then I'm Mike Tyson... :-)  

    The base note, .0, is in extremely poor taste.  Sorry guy, but why
    create a "SuperBowl rehash" note without a sigle rehash of the game? 
    You could've bashed the Broncos and their entire dismal SB history in
    the Broncos note.  
    
    I agree with Dick H.  Bashing them now is just totally useless......
    
    Hawk

    I know there are a lot of Bronco fans in the conference, and I guess
    they knwo how the Pats fans felt after playing the Bears.  That
    year there was no team in the league that was going to beat the
    Bears, and this year nobody was going to beat the Niners.
    
    Go easy on Elway.  All season the Niner defense played very controled
    and professionally, but yesterday they looked really pumped and
    emotional.  The secondary did a great job covering, and that resulted
    in a lot of pressure, rushed trows, etc.
    
    The thing that made the game watchable, despite teh score, was the
    skill of the Niner passing game.  Montana and his receivers seem
    to know each other so well, that they really click.  The most exciting
    play in football is Montana hitting Rice over the middle and watching
    him run.
    
    Hang in there Bronco fans - the team had a great year.
    
    =Bob=

    re: .7 
    
    You're right. I put the base note in after just having watched the
    game. Those were my gut reactions immediately afterward.
    
    I might have more accurately titled it as "bash the broncos
    note". 
    

     Hate to rehash this thing but I have to make one point.....
    The Bronocs are still better than anyother team in the AFC.
    Yea, Elway Choked and the rest of the team followed him right
    down the tubes but I'm still behind them.  The Broncos are
    a good team and exciting as hell to watch, well in regular season
    anyway...  ;^)  Hope the donks can come back from this..
    
    Big Game

    RE: one for the thumb in '91
    
    Just curious, how many of the 49ers have played in all four SBs?  I
    know Montana and Lott did.  Who else has a chance for five rings?
    
    RE: .10
    
    You're reaching now.  I guess losers have to.  Even the Oilers would
    have held up better.
    
    	--dan'l

    re .11:
    
    I believe that Keena Turner has also played on all four Super Bowl
    teams.
    
    
    py

    Yeah Keena Turner (another Boiler :)
    
    Also: Wilson and Eric Wright.  All together 5 of them.  There is an
    article on the 5 of them in last week's SI.
    
    Talking about Turner, Purdue has players (in fact starters) in all of
    the final four teams in the playoffs:
    
    SF:		Turner.
    LA:		Everett, Strickland; Herrmann
    Denver:	M. Jackson.
    Pitt:	Woodson; (I think maybe one other reserve RB whose name I
    		forgot?)
    
    Which (any) other college claims that?
    
    Charles
    

>    Talking about Turner, Purdue has players (in fact starters) in all of
>    the final four teams in the playoffs:
    
>    Pitt:	Woodson; (I think maybe one other reserve RB whose name I
>    		forgot?)

     Pittsburgh didn't make it to the conference championship; Cleveland did.

>There is
>something in the preparation that prevents Denver from being mentally 
>and emotionally ready for each Super Bowl.

Yes Dale it's called   Dan Reeves... hahahahahhahahahahahahahah8^)))))))))

Well once again "THE MAN" showed why he is the best in the pressure
games.  And Imagine all this got started way back when.  The Fighting
Irish behind the Cougars of Houston by many.  Mr Montana brings the
Irish back from the dead.  Time and time again, he is performing in
the big game on another level.  My hat is off to Denver, what can you    
do in a game like yesterdays??? John Elway needs to face a mortal team
in the superbowl.  There is no need to rub it in or bash, you saw the
game yesterday, no words or descriptions are needed.
    
Greg                     

	If the same people who voted for the mythical College National
Championship were to vote for the NFL World Champions, The Green Bay Packers
would now own the title.

Rationale:

	SF 49'ers (Notre Dame) = reigning champs
	SF 49'ers (Notre Dame) Lose to Green Bay ( Miami Hurricanes )
	SF 49'ers (Notre Dame) Win over #1 AFC Champs Denver (#1 Colo Buffs)
	SF 49'ers (Notre Dame) has best overall record.

Decision????? Simple right?

	Championship to Green Bay ( Miami ).

Whadda cuntrry!!!
Mike JN

    Mike JN, I see that the hallugeons (tm) haven't worn off yet......
    
    :-)
    
    Hawk

    
    Actually Monty, when you have a QB that chokes like "The Duke" (hahaha
    hahaa I love that nickname) Lombardi could be your coach and it
    wouldn't matter......
    
    
    mike
    

    Mike,
    
    Your analogy comparing the Miami Hurricanes to the Green Bay
    Packers would ring true if for only one small detail ...
    
    Green Bay lost 6 games while the Hurricanes lost only 1 game
    therefore San Francisco's loss to Green Bay is rightfully
    considered a huge upset while Notre Dame's loss to Miami was *no*
    upset at all.
    
    Otherwise, nice try.
    
    Bob Hunt

    To all of you Bronco fans I feel your pain but don't hang your
    heads!!!!
    
    I remember watching poor Eason and Grogan getting crushed by the
    Bears and losing the way New England did was painful. But like 
    Elway said "at least we got our chance at bat" Hey Denver keeps
    on making it to the Super bowl that's a hell of alot better than
    our Patriots could do,we had one flash in the pan and see you later.
    
    Congrads to Denver and 9er's you were the best the game had to offer
    and I enjoyed the entire NFL season!!!
    
    As a total New England Patriot and Doug Flutie fan (God only knows)
    You can bet your boots Denver will be there next year,Elway has
    alot to learn and a long career ahead of him!!!
    
    
                                             "one mans opion"
    
                                                   JIMBO 
    

    If Lombardi was coach, he'd had started Kubiak ....
    
    The Niners have a chance to become THE dyansty in NFL, maybe pro
    sports history. The Steelers won 4 titles with essentially the same
    team. When the old guard went out, the Steelers faded from the scene.
    Back in 1980, few people really thought that "One For The Thumb"
    was likely. Not so in this case. This is a pretty young team.
    
    Craig, Lott, Montana, and Hicks are the elder statesmen. Looka t
    the 81 team :
    
    Montana, Elliott, Solomon, Clark, Board, Lott, Williams, Harris,
    Hicks, Stuckey, Wersching.
    
    In 84 Craig, Turner, Montana, Dean, Solomon, Tyler, Kelcher, Johnson, and
    Monroe.
    
    Now add Rathman, Holt, Millan, Fuller, Brooks, Rice, Taylor, Jones,
    Cofer, Young, McKyer, Griffith, ect.
    
    You don't see this type of quality turnover on very many teams,
    let alone perennial champions.
    
    Not only is SF a quality team, but they have a quality front office.
    And that's why SF will have a very good shot at being team of the
    90's.

    Re:.14 you're right :)

    
    9ers were simply the best this year.
    
    I don't see the reason to bash Elway or the Broncos.  They have lost
    the SB 3 times (4th was in the 70s), all 3 times they were overmatched.
    Should they be be belittled because they were second best in the league
    3 out of 4 years?  I don't think so...
    
    Elway's best game would have only made the score respectable as in
    35-21 or something.  So he had a bad day and the guy is human. 
    Montana I'm not so sure about...
    
    Corn  

    Did anyone else besides me and Madden notice the shot Lott delivered to
    a receiver's head in the second quarter.  It was really blatant.  I
    don't see how the refs missed that one.  15 and a first down.
    
    	--dan'l

    .24
    I agree the 9ers were on a roll this year.  The 9ers could have put the
    same score up on the vikings in the first playoff game.  As awesome as
    the 9ers looked it is a fine line between a three-peat and missing the
    playoffs entirely.  I was watching the game with a bunch of bronco fans
    and I was really feeling sorry for them because NO ONE would have
    beaten the 9ers yesterday.  I thought that Denver would have better
    coaching then they did.  The Broncos NEVER adjusted defensively or
    offensively.  The Broncos were not prepared from any standpoint for 
    what they faced.  The funny part is that contrary to popular belief in
    this notesfile, Denver was the BEST that the AFC had to offer.  If
    Cleveland had showed up it might have been a shutout.
    
    Frank "9er" Mendez

    And one more before I kill this conference today and get some work
    done...
    
    Came up with the following in an extremely productive meeting this
    morning:
    
    The Broncos *did* have two long drives yesterday...
    
    
    
    To and from the SuperDome!
    
    	--dan'l
    

    
    The 49ers wouldn't have lost to anyone yesterday, even a team "from
    Mars" wouldn't have beat them, as Roger Craig put it.  I'm just
    disappointed that the Broncos didn't put together a better performance
    for the nation, because they aren't nearly as bad as they showed
    yesterday.  I'm still very proud of the season they had, considering
    not very many "experts" were picking them to even make the playoffs,
    let alone the Super Bowl.  It seems all we heard about preseason
    favorites to win the AFC were Cincinnati, Buffalo, and Houston.
    Also, Denver should be even better next year, with rookies like
    Atwater and Humphrey having a year of experience in the NFL.  
    
    As for you guys saying that Notre Dame should be #1, give it a rest.
    ND and Miami both had one loss, but the Canes whipped the Irish!!
    Sounds pretty simple to me.
    
    Congratulations to the 49ers, and they do deserve to be called the
    Team of the 80's in the NFL, just as Miami is the Team of the 80's
    in college football.
    
    
    Joe

	One thing I was pleased about with regard to the Superbowel (tm)
(if a Donk fan could find anything to be pleased about), was that the Refs did
a pretty good job of keeping their hankies in their pockets and letting things 
move along. Win, lose, or draw, I hate it when the Refs litter the field on
every play.

Mike JN

    re .24
    
    I don't see how being the best in the AFC automatically means you are
    the second best in the league.  In recent years, the top few teams in
    the NFC appear to be better than the AFC has to offer.
    
    I was driving home after the game and was listening to the post-game
    show on the radio.  Pinhead Musberger had a plan.  He would like to
    see the playoffs set up without regard to conference, so that the Super
    Bowl would be the best two teams.  Of course, when asked about details,
    he couldn't make up any on the spot, so he said he just thought he'd
    throw that "grenade" out there.  Stop it, Brent, your just a
    controversy machine!
    
    Pete
    

I've done some thinking.  It wasn't John Elway, or Dan Reeves, or
Bobby Humphry or and Bronco player that cost them this game, and
other Super Bowls, but it was nature.  Specifically, water.  That's right,
H2O, the giver of life - water, as in oceans, or lakes, or mighty 
rivers.

Most of the winning Super Bowl teams come from water places - Oakland,
San Francisco, Miami, Pittsburth (3 rivers), the Jets and Giants, 
Chicago, Kansas City (the mighty Mississippi) - all with the favor of
WATER.  I don't know enough about Green Bay's water situation.  The
one aberration is Dallas, but they lost 3 games, and there two 
victories include only one over a water team (the Dolphins), and one
over a fellow non-water team (the Broncos).

Ah, you say, what about Minnesota, land of 10,000 lakes - ah yes, but
look at the teams they lost to - Kansas City - the Mississippi,
Oakland, the Bay, Pittsburgh- the 3 rivers, and Miami - the Atlantic
Ocean.  Poor Minnesota was outclassed.  

Yep, it's water.  Not a good situation for Denver fans - perhaps a 
large lake built downtown would work?  Nah, it has to natural.  
The Broncos only hope is to play another non-water team - and
there are few - atlanta, dallas, houston, phoenix...

Dallas - part of the Texas problem - for all of it's swaggering, the 
Cowboys have the only 2 pro champeenships for the great state of Texas -
directly attributable to their overall lack of water.  And Houston went
one step further by building a dome, and thoroughly p*ss*ng the water
gods off!  That's why Dallas left the hole in the stadium - to appease
the gods of water!

And back to Minnesota - they snubbed the water gods that let them down
by building the dome.  The Vikings may never reach the Bowl again!

And I thought about Seattle - a place perfect for the water gods to shine
on - but no, another DOME!  The Seahawks are doomed by the Dome.  Water
power is strongest here, and they snubbed it.

So folks, that's the real reason behind the blowouts.  How are non-water,
totally dry teams like the Broncos going to beat teams with the 
power of the Hudson and the Atlantic, the Potamic and Cheaspeake Bay,
and the San Francisco Bay and the Pacif Ocean behind them!  A tough road
to hoe.  

Think about it.

JD

                You may have just uncovered a major find, JD!

         BRING ON THE SAHARA BEDOUINS! THE DONKS'LL * K I L L * `EM!!

                                   Mike JN

    Even Macdonald's feels sorry for the DOnks. After all the hoopla 
    about the the 2 hamburgers be cheaper Macs decided that after the
    Mcbashing the Donks too that they can have a cheap burger too.
    
              REK

Why don't they start playing the conference title games in a "neutral" stadium,
like they do the Super Bowl?

That way, odds are Denver won't manage to win the AFC championship again next
year, and we can see how someone else does against the NFC's best.

Pittsburgh vs. 49ers: now THAT would have been a real David/Goliath matchup.
Denver had no right standing in the way of destiny. For that reason, I took
some satisfaction in seeing Denver get thrashed. But enough is enough. Keep
these guys away from the big game next year.

Brian

    RE: .32
    
>>    Chicago, Kansas City (the mighty Mississippi) - all with the favor of
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    JD,
    
    Er, ahem, KC is in western Missouri, and the Mississippi borders
    the eastern side of the state.  The Missouri River flows past KC.
    
    Bo, a geography buff

JD, one small nit in your otherwise loquacious aquarian theorem:

KC ain't on the Mississippi. It may be on the Missouri and you're back to
your water angle again.

I guess if you extend the idea, it would predict where to go for
expansion teams.

TTom

    re .35
    
    	Every team has 8 home/away games.  If you don't want Denver to
    	have the home field advantage throughout the playoffs, have your
    	team put up a better record.
    
    	Denver had the most "right" of any AFC team to be in the Super
    	Bowl.  Anybody that thinks their AFC team would have fared any
    	better is talking out his a$$ cuz his mouth knows better.  "no
    	right to stand in the way of destiny"...what a ludicrous statement.
    
    Claybone

    OOPS - the Might Missouri folks, yeah, that's what I meant.  Just
    wanted to show I could spell Mississippi!!   So, what about Green
    Bay - I mean the Bay part sounds like water to me. I predict the
    Tampa Bay Bucs will win a super bowl before the Houston Oilers or
    Phoenix Cardinals, simply due to the water power of Tampa Bay.
    
    JD

    
    Green Bay, as seems logical, is on Green Bay, an inlet off of Lake
    Michigan.  I'd say that counts.  Pretty good theory.
    
    glenn

    The Dallas/water relationship:  Although Dallas is pretty far inland
    and there isn't a major river nearby, Texas does boast a very large
    coastline.

    
    Claybone and the rest of the denver jihad you guys got a lot filberts
    talking about Pittsburg like that. They clearly outplayed the Donks
    in donkeyland but due to outside interference we're left a point
    short. Talk about pulling horseshoes out of your butt, the donks used
    so many that day they had none left for the niners.....
    
    And yes the Steelers would have given the niners a better game. Why?
    because Reeves and Elway aren't on the Steelers. Bobby H. made some
    good yardage on the field goal drive but the minute they got down 11
    Reeves disdain the run and passed with a QB who was clearly not up to
    the task. Plus the Steelers secondary doesn't behave like my breakfast
    bread....
    
    mike

    Mikey C.
    
    	What did I say about Pittsburgh?  What outside interference?
    	Did the football gods make their center hike the ball to 
    	Bubby's ankles?  Your generalizations are getting tiresome.
    	Geez, do you guys take numbers and then bash the Donks when
    	your number is called?
    
    Claybone

    
    I don't wait for my number to be called Claybone I bash the donks
    whenever I can.  ;^)
    
    Outside interference was the refs, who failed to review questionable
    plays that when they had ruled them in the donks favor (Worley's
    fumble, Nittel's supposed reception) or to allow Bubby to audiablize
    by asking the crowd to tone it down a bit or penalize the donks for
    excessive noise. While I really don't like the rule it was certainly
    there but wasn't enforced. Shall we talk about the amount of
    penalities? what was it 12 to 1? How many offisdes did they call on
    Pitt? about 7 or 8 yet Kay is clearly moving forward on a touchdown
    but no call?
    
    Or the goddam fg that hit crossbar and bounced through? Denver was out
    played every phase of the game except the score....
    
    mike
    

Re Water:

Yes, JD, you've hit the matter right on the (well)head, if I may say
so...

Green Bay held a magical charm over water.  In the Ice Bowl, during
the huddle before the play where Bart Starr ran the QB sneak to get
the winning TD, he can be seen gently patting the ground and muttering
an incantation for the water to freeze harder....if anyone don't believe
me -- watch the films...

Green Bay had such a magical hold over water that they were able to
defeat KC and Oakland by turning the spirit of the Mighty Mo river 
and the Bay against their home teams.


And I agree about domes....Seattle is in Washington, the Everwet state,
and all that rain would create wonderful mud for the Seahawks to play
in... In fact, they could be one of the dominant mud teams of all time.
Unfortunately, they couldn't serve Sushi to the folks from Bellevue
in the rain, so they built the dome, thus condemning the 'hawks
to a lifetime of mediocrity and barren seed.....


Chainsaw

    So has the traditional "I'm going to Disney World" commercial been
    aired yet?
    
    
    py

I saw it the day after the bowl..

Joe Montana you just won your 4th super bowl and your third MVP what are you
going to do now ?

"I'm going to Disneyworld again"

The way I heard it:


	"ACC Chris, you just duped countless noters with your fixed, rigged
	 crooked sham of a contest, and are now facing trial, what are you
	 going to do?"

	"I'm going get the hell outta Dodge and go to Disneyworld!"

    Steven, you beat me to it.  See why I got on his case about not
    being specific?  Because his specifics sip!  You forgot one
    though....how does a "gd FG hitting the crossbar and going through"
    help his case for the Donks being outplayed?  I was rolling on
    that one!
    
    Claybone

    Mac,
    
    You're right - the coast line must have helped the 'boys to their
    two SB victories, but the distance from the shoreline weakened the
    power when playing Pitts and Baltimore...
    
    JD

    
    Both play were questioned by the Steelers but the refs just set up the
    ball and let the donks get at it. The donks to their credit got up and
    ran quick plays in both instances to insure no overturn.
    
    Bubby looked to the ref more than once for help with the crowd, the ref
    looked away. If the crow noise wasn't a factor why then so may
    offsides?
    
    The FG just shows how incredible lucky the donks are.....
    
    check the stats they were outplayed. the only good thing the donks
    did all day was throw a couple of bomb.
    
    and Steven the whinning doesn't help but I'm sick and tired of hearing
    about the donks supposes superority when there wasn't any....
    
    mike

    If you want to talk incredibly lucky, how about the extra point that
    was blocked and fluttered, like a "Fudge" Kosar pass, over the
    crossbar. Without that point, the game ends up in OT.
    
    
    JaKe
     

    Mike, please explain to me why the field goal making it through
    was luck?  Could it be that any time a field goal is made it
    is luck that causes it to go through the goalposts?  If so, I guess
    all nfl teams are lucky...not just the Donks.
    
    Claybone

    Denver has the biggest home field advantage of any team in pro
    football, between the altitude and the crowd.  Therefore, their
    won-lost record is tainted.  Therefore, they get home field advantage.
    Therefore, they get wacked in the Super Bowl which is played at a 
    neutral site.
    
    As Cowboy says, it may be time to play the championship game at a
    neutral site.
    
    					Steve

    First let me say that I'm a Raider fan and not a Bronco fan.  That
    said, I'll state that the altitude being a big home field advantage
    is BS.  It has been proven time after time that it would only be
    a factor after 2-3 days.  Since, during the regular season, teams
    aren't required to show up that far in advance, they don't.
    
    Thus, the regular season record isn't tainted by this "fact" and
    it only becomes a factor during the playoffs, and ONLY if they have
    home field advantage from better play during the season and if the
    other team shows up 2-3 days in advance.
    
    The Wizard

Bubby did look at the ref during the last series...I saw him.

Also, anytime a field goal like that makes it it's skill.  Ask the
kicker...what's he gonna tell you...I planned it that way?

Ask a goalie in hockey or soccer what he calls it when a shot beats
him and hits the poast?  Luck.  Ask a goal scorer what he calls
it when his shot beats the goalie and hits enough of the post to
bounce *in*?  Luck.

The Broncos were lucky to win that game.  Plain and simple.  They
did not outplay Pittsburgh.  Don't make it sound like the Broncos
are so great and that every break that goes their way is planned...
They proved just how "great" they are last Sunday...

JMHO,
'Saw

    No Frank, you're wrong.  Throwing dice and having them come
    up a 7 is luck.  Winning the lotto is luck.  If it was luck
    that the ball went through the uprights, they'd be kicking
    them blindfolded!  The kickers have a skill.....kicking the
    ball between two goalposts.  They use this skill to make
    field goals.  Some have better skill than others.  On that
    particular kick, Treadwell used his skill to put the ball
    between the uprights.  Did you guys even see the kick?  It
    barely grazed the inside of the upright.  It's not like it
    richocheted between the goalposts 149 times and them fell over.
    
    Why can't I try to make things look like I think they do?
    You anti's do it all the time!  Denver won the afc
    championship fair and square.  Denver did not prove how
    good they were Sunday.....the 49'ers proved how great they
    are. 
    
    Claybone

re .59

Well, I could go into quantum theory, and Shroedinger's Cat, and try
and convince you that every action of every second of every day is
a random chance event, but I don't have time 8^)

Seriously, I'm not disputing their skill, but when you talk about hitting
an upright, grazing a post, or clanging the post for a non-goal, I think
the outer bounds of skill are approaching randomness...  

Consider the round hockey post.  A puck can hit it such that it will bounce
into the net, or rebound away.  A shooter cannot have such a granularity
of skill that he can control that.  What basically happened was that
he was at the very edge of his area of accuracy, and it just happened to
be in enough that he scored....  To me, that's close enough to be called
luck.

Or, take the Immaculate Reception....was it not "luck" that the ball
bounced in such a way as to fall into Harris' hands?  Was it not some
controlled randomness that Harris was within catching distance of it...


This really has me thinking...a new branch of Science...Sport Quantum
Theory!!!!

ahhh (sigh),
later,
'Saw

    
    With this most recent massacre hopefully the donks will finally get the
    same officiating as everyone else. 

    Jeepums Crow, 'Saw, that was freakin' heavy sh*t you laid out there in
    .61.  After reading that, and understanding every word, my mind'll
    never be the same......  I think I'll get a book about that Cat you
    mentioned from the mall pet store.  I want to keep this newly acquired
    expansion of my mind going at full speed.  Thanks!
    
    You helped me.
    
    Hawk'

    
    Claybone, you can call it skill if you like, I call it lucky. Let's
    face it  one of two things can happen it bounce back no good or bounce
    thru. So imo it was lucky.
    
    Steven you're right I never do call for stats cause I don't keep,
    rarely check them so usually I get my foot in mouth when I refer
    to them. In this case I will admit that they are closer than I though
    but Pitt did get more yardage through the air and on the ground.
    
    On the questionable calls you saw them one way I saw them another I
    believe both of us are quilty of popb.....the fact of the matter is
    that in most case you will see one of the refs step over the ball
    and allow a review, we didn't in either case. While I'll agree the
    fumble was a fumble, I'll never agree that Nattiel caught that ball.
    Elway is notorious for short-hopping his receivers.
    
    bottom line the donks won I don't believe they should have and I'll
    have sourgrapes until the Steelers get a chance for revenge. With
    that said I will not say anymore about this game as they are more
    up to the minute issues that deserve attention....
    
    mike
    

    > Ask a goal scorer what he calls it when his shot beats the goalie 
    > and hits enough of the post to bounce *in*?  Luck.            
    
    No, the scorer will tell you he was aiming for the far/near post. He'll
    say that's where he wanted it to go. It's like shooting at a target
    with a gun. If you hit it, were you lucky? Hell no, that's what you
    were aiming for.  Treadwell hit the target, he just ended up hitting an
    outer ring. 
    
    
    HTH
    
    
    the devil dog

Gee, most of the interviews I see with guys like that, they usually do
the following:

	(Big, wry, knowing smile)  *Sure* I did exactly what I meant
	to do.  I purposely shot the puck at the goalie's filberts,
	knowing that the trajectory of the puck off the goalies
	jock/cup would be exactly enough for the puck to nick
	the back 1/32" of his left skate blade, with enough
	velocity and kinetic energy to rebound and hit the
	inner arc portion of the circumference of the post,
	dropping the puck onto the goaline with enough residual
	velocity to have it move entirely cross the line.....*Yeah*,
	that's the ticket...

Sometime, any hockey player will tell you, he gets a "lucky bounce"...

HTH 8^)
'Saw

    You guys could go on and on and on and on about the Broncos being
    lucky and other teams being better than the Broncos.  Remember
    one fact the Champions of the NFL are SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS.  And with
    that all the other teams SUCK. smiley doodad goes here
    
    Frank "9er" Mendez
    

    It's funny that we consider a batter highly skilled who is successful
    3 of 10 ten times.  But, a guy who kicks a field goal is lucky even
    though an average kicker is successful 6-7 times out of 10.....
    whatever..........besides, my bladder is empty!
    
    Claybone

�    Bubby did look at the ref during the last series...I saw him.

	Actually, he looked at the Ref a lot. Bubble Blister (tm) was also
winking and making lewd suggestive motions at the ref. I think he may have
studied under Berni and Toni.

Mike JN

    There's definitely something to be said about getting totally blown out
    in the SB.Take heart Bronco fans! 

    why do almost all of you create a sb rehash, then do nothing
    except talk about how denver made through the playoffs??

    
         	JOHN DENVER WAS IN THE PLAYOFFS?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!
    
    
    MIKE JN

    	Wait!  Don't tell me!  He was in the snoopy costume!!!!!  dammit,
    I thought I smelled grape nuts...
    
    sean