Conference 7.286::sports_90

            Who is the winningest Rookie Head Coach in the entire
                        History of the Dallas Cowboys?




                            JIMMY JOHNSON  1 - 15

          (  Tom Landry, the only other Head Coach for the Cowboys )
                      ( won Zero games his Rookie year )

       I'm sure that'll get JJ a big raise next season. I wonder if
    his agent is aware. You oughta give him a call Mike.
                                        Denny

    
    What sport does Jigmie Singye Wangchuck engage in daily?
    
    
    
    
     Wangchuck, the King of Bhutan, plays basketball.
    
    

    In 1988, the Baltimore Orioles started the season with a record setting
    21-game losing streak.
    
    The Miami Heat started the 1988-1989 NBA season with a record setting
    17-game losing streak.
    
    Can you name the famous sports figure who was at the game in which the
    Orioles broke their losing streak AND the game in which the Heat broke
    their losing streak?
    
    
    
    Answer: Dodgers' 1B Eddie Murray.  He played for the Orioles in 1988,
    and is a season-ticket holder of the LA Clippers (the team against
    which Miami broke their losing streak).

    Heres a good one for those NHLers who like to test their knowledge
    of the game.  
    
    
    There are only 12 players to ever score at least 60 goals in a 
    season in the N.H.L..  Can you name the 12 players. 
    
    
    Hint:  half of them are still playing.

    Sorry, I forgot to put in the answer to the previous note.
    
    12 players to score at least 60 goals in a season in the NHL:
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Phil Espisito,Steve Shutt,Guy Lafleur,Mike Bossy,Reggie Leach,
    Denis Maruk,Wayne Gretzky,Mario Lemieux,Steve Yzerman,
    Bernie Nicholls,Jari Kurri and of course......................
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Lanny MacDonald.
    
    
                                                            Mr. NHL
    								Jim
    
    

    Here's a good trivia for those Bruin fans.  Who scored the goal
    the night the "lights went out" to tie the game in the Gardens
    in the Stanley Cup Finals of that particular year??
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    the answer:   the opposition was the Edmonton Oilers and the 
    		  player was:  CRAIG SIMPSON.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    

    More N.H.L. Trivia........
    
    
    	Name 6 N.H.L.ers who still do not wear a hockey helmet.......
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    they are:  Randy Carlysle, Rod Langway, Guy LaFleur,
    	       Doug Wilson, Al Secord, and Harold Scnepps
    
    
    
    their teams in order are:  Winnipeg,Washington,Quebec,
    			       Chicago,Chicago, and Detroit.
    		

                   Sunday Silence voted HORSE OF THE YEAR.

Mike JN

Darn!  My money was on Elway....(*&*&^*&ing stiff jobbed me agin!

'Saw

� Darn!  My money was on Elway....(*&*&^*&ing stiff jobbed me agin!

Janet came in second.

FWIW
Mike JN

�Janet came in second.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA(tm)!

Mike JN, you've got me rolling!!!!

re .9    
    
>    	Name 6 N.H.L.ers who still do not wear a hockey helmet.......
    
>    they are:  Randy Carlysle, Rod Langway, Guy LaFleur,
>    	       Doug Wilson, Al Secord, and Harold Scnepps
    
 
>    their teams in order are:  Winnipeg,Washington,Quebec,
>    			       Chicago,Chicago, and Detroit.
 
    
    Two more are Craig McTavish (Edm) and Brad Marsh (Tor).  Harold now
    plays for Vancouver.
    
    pete

    In response to Pete:    Craig now wears a helmet and yes, for some	
    reason I put Harold playing for Detroit when in fact he is playing
    for Vancouver.
    
    
    
    
    Re:    6 players who do not wear a helmet, I did not mean there
    were only 6, but to try and name 6.

    More N.H.L. trivia:    
    
    
    
    
    			What N.H.L. goalie holds the record for most
    
    	shutouts in one season???
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    answer:   George Hainsworth (Montreal Canadians)I think it is 22.)
    
    
    
    
    
    
    							Jim T.
    

    With workstations easily displaying 48 lines, instead of 24, you guys
    might want to consider learning how to insert a form feed to hide your
    answers.  A lot of returns doesn't always do it......
    
    -- dg

    Talk to Hal "Mr FF" Whitehair if you need to learn how to insert form
    feeds.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Don't have the complete answer to this, but maybe someone might know.
    Heard the question on Sports talk but no answer.
    
    Bruins were the last team to field 5 helmetless players at once.
    Can you name them? 
    
    I had McTavish, Secord, Park, Middleton, that's as far as I got...

    
    	How about Terry O'Reilly.
    

    Mike OConnell and Mike Milbury as well.
    
    John

In 1943, two NFL teams were merged for one season because their rosters
were depleted by the war effort.  Who were they?



The Philadelphia and Pittsburgh were granted permission to merge for one
season on June 19,1943.  The team was officially named Phil-Pitt, but
known as the Steagles to fans.

    Re the helmet question. I believe Park was gone by then.
    			Rich 
    

    Does any one know if there is a person who has won a superbowl ring
    as a player and as a head coach?
    
    I'm asking for the time after SB 1.
    
    James

    
    Did Ditka play on one of Dallas' championship teams?
    
    I think he was an assistant coach for one of Dallas' rings but I don't
    think he was a player. He is the only one that I can think of that has
    a possibility.

    Mike Ditka was an active player for the Cowboys in 1971 so he's
    the only one to have played and won as a head coach.  Of the current
    head coaches in the NFL, Ron Meyer has a ring for having been on
    the Cowboys scouting staff in 1971 as well.  Dan Reeves, Ray Perkins
    and Art Shell are head coaches who've won Super Bowl rings as players.
    Sam Wyche and Jack Pardee are the only two other head coaches I
    can think of who may have played in Super Bowls (I'm sure Pardee
    did, 1972 Redskins, but not sure about Wyche).  Tom Flores may have
    been an active Raider in Super Bowl II but they didn't win, but
    he did win twice as head coach.
    
    John

    Forest Gregg, I think, is the only one to come close.  Did Ditka ever
    *play* for the Cowboys?  I thought he played for the Bears his whole
    career.
    
    	--dan'l

    Forgot about Forrest Gregg.  He won as a player, never as head coach.
    
    Tom Flores never won as a player to my knowledge.
    
    Ditka did play with the Cowboys at the end of his career.  He widely
    credits Tom Landry with giving him his start in coaching.  Ditka
    was Dallas' Special Teams coach before becoming head coach with
    the Bears.
    
    John

    Flores was a backup QB for the Chiefs when they beat the Vikes in
    SB IV.

    
    Well another reason to hate Landry....
    
    Ditka can't coach his way out of paper bag.....
    
    the man's been blessed by awesome talent and weak division. He lost
    a little talent this year, the division got better and look at his
    record.....
    
    mike

    re: .30
    
    I stand corrected on Flores Doc, thank you.
    
    Also, supposedly, Ditka credits Landry with not only giving him
    a start in coaching but also with bringing the influence of Jesus
    Christ into his life.
    
    John

       So, why doesn't big Mike wear a funny hat?
                                     denny

    
    	That's the Pope who wears the funny hat.
    	
    	Ditka just got a funny haircut.
    
    HTH
    Mike JN

    RE: Ditka's record as a coach...
    
    You guys are as crazy as you are redundant...
    
    Ditka has had two bad years with the Bears...  His first year and
    last year.  He made some mistakes this year as coach.  He learned
    from them.  He will be back, no doubt about it.
                
    BEARS::BACH

    
    Chip, I don't think that he will be back and if he is that's great
    because the Bears will be down again.
    
    Let's talk about a few highlight from Mr. Ditka's past...
    
    the drafting of the fridge....
    
    the fighting, pickering and then final removal of Jim McMahon from the
    team. The one guy the team rallied around...
    
    Doug Flutie.....
    
    Mike Tomzak could write a book on the head games Iron Mike has played
    with him...
    
    when the Bears won it all they won it with defense and that defense
    picked up the one guy responsible for that Buddy Ryan and carried him
    off the field not Mike. Shows you what his own team thinks about him..
    
    and his brash statements this year about how his team sucked and
    wouldn't win another ballgame....almost true though so he does get
    points for honesty....
    
    mike
    

�    the fighting, pickering and then final removal of Jim McMahon from the
�    team. The one guy the team rallied around...
    
    You mean the guy who is now second string QB for the Chargers?

    
    Mac, that maybe true but for one he doesn't have the talent in Chargers
    that he had in the Bears especially on the offensive line. The biggest
    thing that a QB has to do is make the guys around him believe he can
    get the job, the Bears offensive players always believed in McMahon...
    
    Wasn't he something like 33-3 as a starter at one time for them?
    
    So throw McMahon out and explain his handling of Tomzak....
    
    mike

    Mike, reread your note.
    
    MacMahon is a slightly above-avg. QB who played with some great
    players. Period. The rest is hype.
    
    McMahon had a great record as a starter, but so what ? Tomczak was
    something like 14-5 at one point .... Flutie was 3-1 .....
    
    DrM

    
    Dock,  I'm not claiming McMahon is the second coming alls I'm saying
    is for that organization he was a winner and he had the offensive
    players respect. Tomzak was a winner but I don't believe that he
    had the respect of peers that McMahon had. He also let Ditka get
    inside his head so bad he needed theraphy. McMahon never let Ditka 
    bother him and that bother Ditka more than anything.
    
    the debate here isn't about the merits of the QB's the debate is wether
    Ditka is a bum as I claim or a good coach. I'm using the example of
    what went on with the QB's as an example of why Ditka is bad,
    overraTted and EGotistical Manic  ;^)
    
    mike

    RE: .39
    
    I think the true formula stems from the fact that Mac was a winner,
    the team rallied around him, and the team was talented.  I don't
    think the boy was great, but I also don't believe another "slightly-
    above-avg" quarterback would have had the same success.
    
    As for Ditka.  I think you'll find he has an excellent record as a
    head coach if you want to judge him on record.  If you want to rate 
    him against current coaches,  I'd guess there would be more than a 
    few teams that would trade coaches straight up for him.  
    
    IMO he's one of the best coaches in football today.  And one probably
    one hell of a night club lounge singer.  (opps)
    
    Regard(less),
    
    BEARS::BACH

    Mikey C., I didn't know you were so tight with the Bears players.
    I think it's great that you know so much inside information about
    your pals.  The consensus in here, it seems to me, is that you
    ain't squat unless you win the big one.  Ditka has won the big
    one.  He must have something going for him.  I believe the Bears
    had the 2cd best record in the 80's.  I'm pretty sure he took
    over the Bears in the early 80's so most of their victories came
    while he was coach.  To top it all off, they play in your beloved
    nfc.  Give credit where credit is due.
    
    Clay

    	The Bears also had some *excellent* playoff losses to the Redskins
    (twice) and to the 49ers (twice).  That should count for something.
    
    				/Don

    re .40
    
    Oh okay. In that case I can agree with you.
    
    DrM

    
    re: .43
    
    	Yea, it counts for something.......nothing!  That means....
    
    	2nd place, not the best, you choked.....do you get the picture?
    
    
    	At least that is what everyone else in this notes file thinks...
    	HeHeHeHe
    
    	Beleive me, that is what they say about the Dawgs.  What goes
    for one goes for all....just ask the Donk fans.  It doesn't mean
    
    
    			S K U A T !
    
    	

    Excuse me for butting in here guys but...
    
    Isn't this the TRIVIA note.  I'm looking for some trivia and the last
    10-15 replys are R-hole garbage.  Take it to another note.
    
    No I'm not a moderator.  Yes I am a part time noter.  You want to rank
    on me for butting in and whining about the note taking a wrong turn,
    fine.  But please do it in mail.  Please take the Ditka debate to
    another note.
    
    Trivia:  Who was the youngest player ever to play Major League
    	     Baseball?
    
    Answer: Joe Nuxhall - Cincinatti Reds;  He was not yet sixteen when he
    	     first toed th rubber...

    re: .46
    
    You're right, just a reactive Bear Fan...
    
    So here's a trivia question:
    
    What baseball hall of famer shot the second shot of the Civil War?
    
    
    
    Abner Doubleday was the soldier who first fired back at the rebels
    at fort sumtner (sp?).  

    How many times have the Red Sox appeared in the World Series?
    Name the years...
    What is there record?
    
    
    9 times
    
    
    03, 08, 12, 15, 18, 47, 67, 75, 86
    
    
    
    5 wins, 4 losses

    Nope, it was 1946, not 1947.
    
    John

    Yup, your right.  I wasn't sure about that one.
    
    Which year did they have a two game lead with 3 left with the Yankees
    and lost all three?  48?
    
    								Randy

    	I think 48 was the year they lost to the Indians in a one game
    playoff and 49 was the year they lost two games to the Yankees to
    lose the AL pennant.
    
    				/Don

On this date in 1965, the NFL passed a rule that increased the number of
people on the playing field by one.  Who was it?



On 2/19/65, the NFL added a sixth official, the line judge.

    re .52:
    
    Yeah, I remember the owners meeting when they agreed upon adding the
    sixth official.  Everyone felt it was a good idea, but then someone
    raised the point, "What will we call him?".  That was quickly answered
    by an owner who said, "Just call him a #^#&@ like you do the other
    five!"
    
    
    py

    
    	Who was Pudge Heffelfinger (1867-1954)?
    
    	
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    1) He was considered the greatest college football player of the
    19th century, being named to the first three All-Ammerica Teams.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    2) He later became the 1st Professional Football Player.
    
    
    Ken

    Ken, could you use a form feed next time ?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Doc

�    Ken, could you use a form feed next time ?
                                    ^^^^

Should be "nexted".  C'mon Doc, get with the program ;^) ;^)

'Saw

         In the four major sports there are five teams whose names don't
    end in S. can you name them.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Red Sox, White Sox, Utah Jazz, Miami Heat, Orlando Magic

You forgot Hartford GoWhALe!

Mike JN

    Okay sports fans, here's one:
    
    Who is the only person to:
    
    * Play for an NBA Champeenship Team (name the team)
    * Be a first round drafted pick in the NFL (name team)
    * Coach in both the Grey Cup and Super Bowl ???
    
    JD

    BUd Grant ?
    
    Played for the Minn. Lakers, played and coached in the CFL, and coached
    the Vikes in 4 Super Bowls ? And he was a 1st round pick of the
    Giants ?

    Doc,
    
    Yes, it was Bud Grant.  He was a #1 pick of the Philadelphia Eagles.
    
    JD

Damn!

I thought it was Bud Bundy!

Hey, 

I've got a USA Today Mug, and a USA Today T-shirt....so there 8^)

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    What was the original name of the Houston Astro's
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    The Colt 45's
    
    Hoyta
    

    I live in the USA today... and tomorrow... and...

    Darrell Green will be trying for his fourth NFL's Fastest Man title on
    May 19.  He previously won in 86, 88, and 89.  Who won in 87?
    

    Ron Brown?

    I thought it was either Gault or Phil Epps (then of the Packers)

    That was the year Green didn't compete due to injury if I remember
    correctly.  I'm pretty sure Ron Brown won it.
    
    Claybone

Carl Lewis, da worl's fastest human? ;^)

This is the 25th anniversary of what monumental event in NFL history?

Answer:




The color of the officials' penalty flags was changed from white to bright
gold.  I guess they couldn't come up with anything better to change in 1965.

    
    
      That's a long time ago. Geez. I have trouble remembering white flags.
    
    What year did they start wrapping beans in those flags?
    
    And what year did they start using blue flags for a close approximation
    of the spot of a turnover?
    
    
          STeven
    
    

    Officials have used weights of various kinds in their penalty flags
    for years.
    
    And as far as those little blue flags go, us *REAL* statisticians
    don't need no steenkin' little blue flags.  Us *TRULY MANLY*
    statisticians criticize the officials for mis-spotting the ball
    after a play.
    
    John

�    And as far as those little blue flags go, us *REAL* statisticians
�    don't need no steenkin' little blue flags.  Us *TRULY MANLY*
�    statisticians criticize the officials for mis-spotting the ball
�    after a play.
    
John, 

I'd like to get some kind of insight into the spotting of this
TRUE MANLINESS on my Chainsaw Manly Index.

Do you criticize them to their face, or do you cower behind your
staticians table and manuals, and say "BLAM on those unmanly officials!"

Enquiring minds need to know....

'Saw

    I mention it loudly enough so that the NFL Observer in front of
    me knows about it and includes it in his game report.  I also send
    complaint letters to the NFL office.  Art McNally and I have become
    regular correspondents.
    
    I unfortunately don't have time to go down to the field and BLAM
    the officials in person.
    
    John

Well, John, based on the degree of difficulty, and throwing out the
high and low scores, I'd give that an 8.75 on the Chainsaw
Manliness Index.

You'd have picked up another .25 points if you'd made sure you had
some chewin' tobaccy in your mouth when you were complaining ;^)

'Saw

PS  Please tell Art that The Chainsaw thinks that Instant Replay
    inhales discreetly.....thanks....

Oh, I see.  

I'll have to work that possibility into nexted years index.

Is there room to bring a Louisville Slugger to crack some craniums,
in case things get nasty???? 8^) <----many friday afternoon smilies....

Saw

    Has anyone been a teammate of both Larry Bird and Magic Johnson?
    I don't know the answer,but it would be a good trivia question.

    re: .80
    
    	Bob McAdoo maybe.  I know that he had a short stay in Boston in the 
    late 70's, but I'm not sure if he was around when Bird arrived in 
    '79.
    	
    	                			 Glen J.
    

    It wasn't Bob McAdoo because he was gone by the time Bird showed
    up.  I don't think anyone has ever played on a team with both of
    them.
    
    John

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 My answer was Michael Jordan. they've all played together in those charity
 games they hold one a year for the taxman....

 mike

 Name the last NBA coach to loose back to back finals? 

 

 Pat Riley of course 83 to the sixers 84 to the celts....

 mike

    Well, while we're doing trivia...Who played Chin Ho on Hawaii Five-O?
    
    JoJ

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    Well, while we're doing trivia...Who played Chin Ho on Hawaii Five-O?
    
    JoJ

 Not sure JoJ but I got a question for ya: Is Drazen Petrovic of the 
 Trailblazers your long lost brother? The resemblence is incredible
 ;^)

 mike

    I thought Chin Ho played Chin Ho on Five-O, or was that Chin Hi???.
    
    
    Mike
    

    Nope, you guys are all incorrect. 
    
    While you're thinking about Chin Ho, you might want to try to guess who
    played Kono.
    
    JoJ

    Onok played Kono.
    
    Mike
    
    

I used to love to watch that show.  I mean, we all knew that
Jack Lord was the biggest fudgepacker around.  Everytime he'd
same something really manly like "Give me the binocs, Dan-o", we'd
just about bust a gut.

Dan-o was pretty cool though.  I'm sure that he was forever turning
down the untoward advances of his boss.

Kono was part of a Five Hawaiian Brother act that started out in
show business juggling machetes and moved on to do balancing acts.
If memory serves me correct the brothers were Nono, Mono, Dono (the stupid
one), Kono, and Bono (no relation to Sonny).

So the answer is that Kono played himself.


Book 'em Dan-o!

    'Saw is jealous that he couldn't tease his hair like Jack Lord ...

    >While you're thinking about Chin Ho, you might want to try to guess who
    >played Kono.
    
    Sulu played Kono, of course.
    
    Dan

    so who played Hoo Flung Kuk?

But Doc, I do tease my hair....

Every morning I get up, look in the mirror and tell my hair that
its mother wears army boots...

BTW, you guys wouldn't recognize me with my new short 'do.  My
hair is even shorter than JoJ's.  Not as short as JD's though...

Summer time, summer time, sum-sum-summertime...

Chainsaw

    Not to change the subject, but I'm gonna anyway.
    
    Can anyone tell me what was the highest scoring game in the Stanley
    Cup *Finals*?  I figured with all you experts someone might know.
    Thank you in advance.
    
    joann

Joann --

That's easy... All I hafta do is go home, get my media guide, look
it up, and nexted thing you know I can answer your question....

Not that I know all of the games, mind you, but I can't really remember
a heinous blowout in a final series....  that's not to say that there
wasn't one, however....

let ya know tomorrow...
'Saw

    Who was the only modern-day manager of the Yankees to NOT manage
    a game in Yankee Stadium?
    
    Lee

    'Saw,
    
    Looking forward to an answer!  (Me and a few other people)
    
    BTW, Am I the ONLY female who reads this file?

    hi joann, nope we have the only and only Karen Derry [karen, take
    a bow]  and jilly the excited used to be in here for football season,
    
    lets see who else.. oh yea, also   A AND W..
    
    DINZ
    

    dinz,
    
    thanks, glad to know that i'm not alone.  I just hope the apostophe
    police (tm) doesn't become the comma police, cuz i like to use them!
    
    -joann

    that would have to be  Bucky dent..... times a running  10 games
    under, they need hitting, managing.. etc  etc, course we know  they
    
    
    will get hot  when they hit fenway nexted  [tm] week
    
    
    dinz
    

    	Dins, the Yankees couldn't get hot if they were launched into
    the sun.  Davey Johnson will be managing them soon.  
    
    				/Don

    .don,
    
    
    george is crazy enough to do that,  at least the order was changed
    
    around last night, neon dion was batting at end of order instead
    
    of at top..
    
    dinz
    
    

re the hockey question.


The record for most goals in a game, both teams, is 18 by the LA Kings
over the Edmonton Oilers, 10-8.  That was in a Smythe Division Semi
Final.

The record for most goals in a game, both teams, in a FINAL series
is 15:  Chicago 8, Montreal 7 in 1971....


Also, another point of interest, the Final Series with the MOST
overtime games was 5, in 1951, where Toronto defeated Detroit(?)
4 games to 1.  EVERY game went into OT.  Musta been a helluva series!

(I forget if it was Detroit or not, since I forgot my guide, and am
doing this from memory...)

'Saw


PS  They don't have a record for Blowouts, and I didn't have time to
    peruse the scores of each year's cups....Maybe at some point in the
    future....

    re .108:
    
    >	(Yankees) will get hot  when they hit fenway nexted  [tm] week
    
    Fine with me Dinz, as long as they stay cold through the weekend series
    with the Orioles.... :-)
                        
    
    py

   Franwa, you crazy person!

   	When there's a lady present in the notesfile, you can't say 
   `heinous blowout'.

   YOU KNOW THAT!  I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT! DON'T YOU KNOW THAT?!

   Phoe Shit shlep
   Mike JN

Oops Mike, I forgot that being excellent to each other means
not saying "heinous blowout" in the presence of savory babes.
A most egregious error on my part...

Perhaps I can be more triumphant if I say "Unbalanced margin of victory".


Party on dudes!
Chainsaw

    The Apostrophe Police (tm) claims no jurisdiction whatsoever over
    commas.  I can deputize someone to do so if necessary.
    
    John

�re the hockey question.
�
�
�The record for most goals in a game, both teams, is 18 by the LA Kings
�over the Edmonton Oilers, 10-8.  That was in a Smythe Division Semi
�Final.
�
�The record for most goals in a game, both teams, in a FINAL series
�is 15:  Chicago 8, Montreal 7 in 1971....


Gee, you know it's a bad day when you write the stuff down, put it
in your pocket and forget you have it.

In addition to the above, there is the following:

        18 Goals: LA    10  Edm  8       Smythe Div Semifinal
	17 Goals: Pitts 10  Phil 7       Patrick Div Final
        16 Goals: Edm   13  La   3       Smythe Div SemiFinal  (Heinous blowout)
 	15 Goals: Chic   8  Mon  7       Finals         


�Also, another point of interest, the Final Series with the MOST
�overtime games was 5, in 1951, where Toronto defeated Detroit(?)
�4 games to 1.  EVERY game went into OT.  Musta been a helluva series!
�


Okay, I also had this written down.  It was 1951 and it was Toronto,
but Toronto beat MONTREAL 4 games to 1, all in overtime....

'Saw


PS  They don't have a record for Blowouts, and I didn't have time to
    peruse the scores of each year's cups....Maybe at some point in the
    future....

    Re .107
    
    John, you got it right.  It was Bill Virdon, and the Yanks played
    at Shea during his tenure (not very tenuous, though).
    
    Lee

    	Almost 2 years is pretty good for a Yankee manager there Lee.
    8^)
    
    				/Don

    Chin Ho = Kam Fong?
                                            Denny

    Nick of Barney Miller.
    
    Mark.

    Nick =Jack Su?
                                       Denny

    Kono=Zulu
    
    
    
    
    JaKe
    

    CONGRATS!
    
    Kam Fong as Chin Ho
    Zulu as Kono
    
    re: BigMac
    
    Do you still think I strayed from the topic?
    
    JoJ

    Sorry, Denny. Nick= Jack Soo. Not Jack Su. Minor nit. BTW, Five-0
    is on here in upstate NY but only at 1 pm. Maybe I'll set the VCR.
    Naaa, waste of tape:-)
    
    				Rich 

       Five-O is on in Boston too. Sunday nights at 11:30.
                                         Denny

    Actually, the Jack Lord Comedy Hour is on everyday in Boston, in the
    wee, wee hours of the morning......
    
    HTH.
    
    H�wk

    Squawk,
    
    	Exactly what hour of the morning do you wee wee?  
    
    	Do you make it to the potty foist?
    
    Claybone  ;^)
    

    > Exactly what hour of the morning do you wee wee?
    
    When the cock crows 3 times, Claybone.
    
    Glad you axed!
    
    H�wk

    joann, if you browse the Introductions you will notice that quite a few
    women have checked into this file at one time or another.  Few seem to
    become regular contributors.  Perhaps it is the Men's Lockerroom
    atmosphere?

Nah, it's just that they are so in awe of the manliness, that musk
of manful noting, the incalculable air of masculinity in all it's
glory and splendor, the raw testosteronal phemerones coursing through
the veins in our sinewy limbs, the sheer overwhelmingness of it all,
that they just gasp and swoon and get the vapors, that such a collection
of elite and erudite manhood could be together in one place,
at one time...

Simply put, the raw power of our noting leaves them speechless....


Chainsaw

    Haven't looked at the intro's in a while.....I just usually read.
    And then fall outta my chair laughing.  You guys (or should that
    be people) are just tooooooo much!
    
    joann

Rock 'n roll baby, it's the WEEKEND.

It the Almighty Weekend, and you got to pig out, go to pork out, got
to fer-reak out, you know you got to party because it's the two
days that the Lizard Pig Dog Boss doesn't own you....

You just got to get out there, and pop the top off an ice cold one and
let that amber nectar slide on down your throat in celebration of the
greatest institution ever invented...The Almighty Weekend.

Suck back a few and put your feet up because you earned this one!!!!

Later dudes

Be Excellent to Each Other, and Pary on....

'Saw

          <<< Note 117.133 by VAXWRK::NEEDLE "Pary till you puke!" >>>

Too quick, Jeff! I was just going to comment. I guess Frankwa's been
   hitting the Halugeons (tm) again

   Mike `Pary aminal' JN

>    Haven't looked at the intro's in a while.....I just usually read.
>    And then fall outta my chair laughing.  You guys (or should that
>    be people) are just tooooooo much!
 
    Joann, 
    
    I don't know WHAT you'd call the members of this conference (and
    they've called each other MANY things), but the one thing that DOESN'T
    come to my mind...  is PEOPLE!
    
    ML (hello, again, yup, must be FRI-DAY, I'm reading SPORTS)

>>    I don't know WHAT you'd call the members of this conference

      Just about everyone in this conference IS a "member"!
    
    						Roland

Pary....sheesh, take a simple typo and a look at all the ribbing
you take.

I should probably (tm) that sucker, right...


re member:  I like that 8^)

'Saw

    RE: .130
    
    Chainsaw,
    
    Geez, now I think that I have finally figured out why I like sports in
    general.  Thanks a bunch, don't think that I could have ever figured
    it out on my own.  Come to think of it, I do remember the first time
    I saw the Sox at Fenway (Dewey was playing right field at the time)
    we were right BEHIND him.  I remember the Sox won, but the thing I
    remember more was *that* behind.

    
    For all NBA fans:
    
    	Who were the first 3 picks of the 1981 Draft and what college
    did they attend?
    
    	Hint:  All 3 are currently playing in the Finals.
    
    
        Isiah Thomas(Indiana), Mark Aguirre(DePaul), and Buck Williams
    (Maryland).
    
    						 Glen J.
     

    Was Zeke the only one to leave without graduating?  He eventually
    did get his degree.(I believe)
    
    Nadeem

    
    	Zeke did go back and receive his degree.  I think Buck has his
    also.
    
    	Not sure about Aguirre.
    
    						 Glen J.
    

    Who is the only NHL player ever to be suspended for life(!) for
    fighting?
    
    What did a Canadian soccer team get when it traded one of its
    players?
    
    
    Anwers later..............................
    
    wheel

    Was it Chico Mackey?
    
    Rich
    

    >>>....only NHL player to be suspended for life for fighting....
    
    Billy Coutu of the Boston Bruins.  He was slapped with the ultimate
    penalty for assaulting referee Jerry Laflamme during the 1927 Stanley
    Cup finals.
    
    >>>....Canadian soccer team got when it traded one of its players?
    
    A soccer ball!
    
    This is the honest to gods truth.........
    From the Book "The Sports Hall of SHAME"
    
    Way to go Billy, leave it to dem big bad Broons!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    wheel

    re: soccer player who was traded for a ball......
    
    Istvan Gaal was such a lousy soccer player that he was traded to a
    rival team for a soccer ball!
    
    "I think it was a very fair trade," said John Fischer, president
    of the Kitchener Concordia Kickers of the Canadian National Soccer
    League.  "Both teams got what they wanted."
    
    Gaal was a player whose skills apparently couldn't be measured by
    money.  There was no cash involved in the swap with the Toronto
    Hungarians.  It was a straight player-ball deal.
    
    "We didn't give him away for nothing," Fischer insisted.  "We got
    a regulation National Soccer League ball in return.  They go for
    $27.50."
    
    Long before the trade, Gaal, a twenty-one-year-old Hungarian de-
    fector who claimed he had scored thirty-one goals in fourty-four games
    back in his native country, had been considered a prize catch.  In
    fact, the Kickers went to extraordinary means to sign him-they kid-
    napped him.  Gaal had agreed to terms with Toronto, but while he
    was standing on a Toronto street corner with a team representative, a
    black car screeched to a halt in front of them.  Two men hustled Gaal
    into their car and roared off to Kitchener, where he was persuaded to
    sign with the Kickers.
    
    Unfortunately, he turned out to be a big disappointment, said
    Fischer.  "He had a few moves, but he looked bad.  At first we thought
    he was holding back.  He had just arrived in a new country and
    couldn't speak the language.  We thought he'd be okay once he
    adjusted.  But he never improved."
    
    Gaal was so bad that he couldn't even make it as a substitute on
    the Kickers, who were in thirteenth place in the fourteen-team league.
    So a deal was struck with Toronto.
    
    Recalled Fischer, "The Toronto team said to me, 'Why don't you just
    release the guy to us?'  I said 'Hell no, I'm not going to give him
    away for nothing.  You send me that soccer ball.'  They said they
    would.  And they did.
    
    "The trade wasn't all that unique," added Fischer, "I went checking
    through the records and found that a hockey player was once traded
    for a pair of nets."
    
    Year this happened: 1971
    

   Way to go, Wheels, I love it!

   Mike JN

    Mike,
    
    glad ya liked it....now if I can just find out who that hockey player
    was!!!!!!!!!!
    
    wheel

    
    
    Who pitched a no-hitter for the Rochester (NY) Red Wings (AAA farm team
    for the Baltimore "Making Their Move" Orioles)?
    
    
    
    
    		Daniel Boone.
    
    
    
    
    
    		Honest.  I didn't make it up.
    
    
    PaulaSue

Kilt him a bar, when he 'as only three....

Oops, sorry, that's tonight's starter...Davey Crockett.....
8^)

    
    Was Mingo catching?
    

Gee, we could start the Official SPORTS Dead Guys Baseball Team:



	P  - Daniel Boone
	C  - Jimmy Hoffa
	1B - Paul Revere
	2B - Lee Harvey Oswald
	3B - John Wilkes Booth
	SS - Adolf Hitler
	OF - Albert Einstein
	OF - Fred Astaire
	OF - Gengis Khan


I mean, that's a start.  Hell, we've got tons of Dead Guys to pick
from.....

'Saw

    Hey, isn't Paul Bunyon the designated Hitter ?
    
    Serious Minds aint interested.

>>      Hey, isn't Paul Bunyon the designated Hitter ?
  	
    
    Nah,  I heard it was Ronald Reagan.......
                                   
    
    
    	He's been dead for years!!
    
    PJ

       He aint dead PJ, he's just been in a coma for about 25 years.
                                               Denny

Can you identify the dates below.  Each is somewhat significant to baseball
history, either as the date on which a famous play occured, a significant
milestone/record is achieved, or an event on/off the field which had a
significant impact on the way baseball was played in the future.  Example:
August 25, 1921 -	First radio broadcast of MLB game
			Harold Arlen of KDKA in Pittsburgh announces Bucs-Phils


March 17, 1871 -	
October 1, 1903	-	
May 2, 1917 -		
January 3, 1920 -	
May 1, 1920 -		
August 17, 1920 -	
October 10, 1920-	
July 6, 1933 -		
May 24, 1935	-	
June 15, 1938	-	
May 2, 1939 -		
August 26, 1939 -	
July 16, 1941 -		
September 28, 1941 -	
April 15, 1947 -	
October 3, 1947 -	
October 3, 1951 -	
March 18, 1953 -	
September 29, 1954 -	
October 8, 1956 -	
April 15, 1958 -	
May 26, 1959 -		
October 13, 1960 -	
October 1, 1961 -	
April 9, 1965 -		
June 8, 1965 -		
September 6, 1965 -	
September 14, 1968 -	
January 16, 1970 -	
September 30, 1971 -	
October 13, 1971 -	
April 5, 1972 -		
December 31, 1972 -	
April 6, 1973 -		
December 24, 1973 -	
April 8, 1974 -		
March 13, 1975 -	
October 18, 1977 -	
October 2, 1978 -	
June 12, 1981 -		
August 27, 1982 -	
July 24, 1983 -		
September 11, 1985 -	
April 29, 1986 -	
August 8, 1988 -	
October 14, 1988 -	
September 1, 1989 -	
August 22, 1989 -	
October 17, 1989 -	
June 11, 1990 -		

March 17, 1871 -		
October 1, 1903	-		First ever World Series game
May 2, 1917 -		
January 3, 1920 -		Red Sox sell Babe Ruth to Yankees
May 1, 1920 -		
August 17, 1920 -	
October 10, 1920-		
July 6, 1933 -			First ever All-Star Game
May 24, 1935	-	
June 15, 1938	-	
May 2, 1939 -		
August 26, 1939 -	
July 16, 1941 -			End of DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak
September 28, 1941 -		Ted Williams hits .406
April 15, 1947 -		Jackie Robinson breaks color line
October 3, 1947 -		Cookie Lavagetto ruins Bill Bevens' no-hitter
October 3, 1951 -		Bobby Thomson takes Ralph Branca deep
March 18, 1953 -	
September 29, 1954 -	
October 8, 1956 -		Don Larsen's World Series perfect game
April 15, 1958 -	
May 26, 1959 -		
October 13, 1960 -		Bill Mazeroski takes Ralph Terry deep
October 1, 1961 -		Roger Maris hits 61st dinger
April 9, 1965 -		
June 8, 1965 -		
September 6, 1965 -		Sandy Koufax pitches perfect game
September 14, 1968 -	
January 16, 1970 -	
September 30, 1971 -	
October 13, 1971 -		First ever World Series night game
April 5, 1972 -		
December 31, 1972 -		Roberto Clemente dies in plane crash
April 6, 1973 -		
December 24, 1973 -	
April 8, 1974 -			Hank Aaron hits 715th home run
March 13, 1975 -	
October 18, 1977 -		Reggie Jackson hits 3 World Series homers
October 2, 1978 -		Bucky "F-ing" Dent takes Mike Torrez deep
June 12, 1981 -			Players go on strike
August 27, 1982 -	
July 24, 1983 -		
September 11, 1985 -		Pete Rose gets 4,192nd hit
April 29, 1986 -	
August 8, 1988 -	
October 14, 1988 -		Kirk Gibson takes Dennis Eckersley deep
September 1, 1989 -	
August 22, 1989 -	
October 17, 1989 -		Earthquake hits San Francisco during WS
June 11, 1990 -			Nolan Ryan's 6th no-hitter

Bob Hunt

	All of those were right on.  As an added note to the Koufax game,
	it is the only MLB game which concluded with just 1 hit between
	the two teams.

Re Bob Hunt's p-name...

	Most triumphant and excellent choice, dude....

'Saw

July 24, 1983 -		George Brett's infamous pine tar incident.

> July 24, 1983 -		George Brett's infamous pine tar incident.

  Right.

  Correction on the dates.  Should be December 24, 1975 (not 1973) and
  August 9, 1988 (not the 8th).

    
    March 17, 1871 -  	The first NL (?) game played by the Reds - MLB's
    oldest team.		
October 1, 1903	-		First ever World Series game
May 2, 1917 -		
January 3, 1920 -		Red Sox sell Babe Ruth to Yankees
May 1, 1920 -		
August 17, 1920 -	Black Sox trial starts.	
October 10, 1920-      	Comiss. Landis bans 8 White Sox for life		
July 6, 1933 -			First ever All-Star Game
May 24, 1935	-  	First night baseball game.	
June 15, 1938	-      	Johnny Vandermeer throws 2nd straight no-no	
May 2, 1939 -		Gehrig's streak ends at 2,130 games
August 26, 1939 -	
July 16, 1941 -			End of DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak
September 28, 1941 -		Ted Williams hits .406
April 15, 1947 -		Jackie Robinson breaks color line
October 3, 1947 -		Cookie Lavagetto ruins Bill Bevens' no-hitter
October 3, 1951 -		Bobby Thomson takes Ralph Branca deep
March 18, 1953 -	
September 29, 1954 - 	Indians win a major league record 111 games.	
October 8, 1956 -		Don Larsen's World Series perfect game
April 15, 1958 -      	The *LA * Dodgers and *SF* Giants play ball. 	
May 26, 1959 -		
October 13, 1960 -		Bill Mazeroski takes Ralph Terry deep
October 1, 1961 -		Roger Maris hits 61st dinger
April 9, 1965 -		
June 8, 1965 -		
September 6, 1965 -		Sandy Koufax pitches perfect game
September 14, 1968 -	        Drysdale's streak reaches 58 2/3 inn.
January 16, 1970 -	        Curt Flood's case reaches the Supreme Court
September 30, 1971 -	R. Clemente gets hit #3,000
October 13, 1971 -		First ever World Series night game
April 5, 1972 -		
December 31, 1972 -		Roberto Clemente dies in plane crash
April 6, 1973 -		
December 24, 1973 -		
April 8, 1974 -			Hank Aaron hits 715th home run
March 13, 1975 - 	Andy Messersmith wins historic free agent case.
October 18, 1977 -		Reggie Jackson hits 3 World Series homers
October 2, 1978 -		Bucky "F-ing" Dent takes Mike Torrez deep
June 12, 1981 -			Players go on strike
August 27, 1982 -	 Cal Ripkin begins consec. games streak.
July 24, 1983 -		 Pete Rose breaks Stan Musial's record
September 11, 1985 -		Pete Rose gets 4,192nd hit
April 29, 1986 -	
August 8, 1988 -	
October 14, 1988 -		Kirk Gibson takes Dennis Eckersley deep
September 1, 1989 -	
August 22, 1989 -	
October 17, 1989 -		Earthquake hits San Francisco during WS
June 11, 1990 -			Nolan Ryan's 6th no-hitter
                                

    September 30 1971 - The World of Baseball loses its greatest potential
                        star when 12 year old Wayne Rowell moves to England
    
    ( Loads of ;-) s )
    
    Wayne.

    September 30, 1971 - Final home game for Washington Senators before
    			 moving to Texas

                        
    What makes the game memorable is that the Senators were winning
    7-5 in the ninth inning, but with one out to go, thousands of fans
    swarmed onto the field digging up the field, stealing bases, etc.
    The Senators lost the game by forfeit!!!
                                  
    Am I right??
    PJ
    (not bad for a foreigner, eh??)

    Daniel Boone is a real dude!! Having just moved out of Rochester
    about 6 weeks ago, I know he's a seventh generation nephew of the
    real Daniel Boone. Also, I know he's 38 and was plucked out of the 
    Senior League to try out for the Wings. Great to hear that a guy
    who wasnt even planning on playing a full year tosses a no hitter.
    He's also a little guy, 5'8".
    
    				Rich
    

   Well... Now that Nolan has joined the 300 club:

   Can you name the twenty players who have reached 300 or more wins in
   their careers?

   Answers after the form feed
   

   Okay, after the next form feed
   
    
   Cy Young		511
   Walter Johnson	416
   Christy Mathewson	373
   Grover Alexander     373
   Warren Spahn		363
   Pud Galvin		361
   Kid Nichols		360
   Tim Keefe		344
   Steve Carlton	328
   Eddie Plank		327
   John Clarkson	326
   Don Sutton		321
   Phil Niekro		318
   Gaylord Perry	314
   Mickey Welch		311
   Tom Seaver		311
   `Old Hoss' Radbourn	308
   Lefty Grove		300
   Early Wynn		300
   Nolan Ryan		300

   	Just think, a new kid comes up.... pitching wonder.... 25 game
   winner every year for 20 years!!! 

   	STILL doesn't beat Cy Young's record!

   Mike JN

How many of Cy Young's wins were selfish wins?
    

    
    How many years did Cy Young pitch in the majors?

Nolan Ryan could win 20 a year for the next 10 and still not catch Sy Yong.

j.

    Wow, I didn't realize that Spahn was in 5th place, with 363.  Not
    bad for a guy who pitched in the 50-60's, huh?
    
    Lee
    
    P.S.  Anyone got a breakdown of that listing that shows whether
    they were righties or lefties? 

Lefties rule!

    
    	Name the only 2 NL teams that have never had a pitcher throw a 
    no-hitter.
    
    
    
    	The New York Mets and San Diego Padres.
    
    						 glen j.

>    How many years did Cy Young pitch in the majors?

    22...  his win totals per year:
    
    	1890-09:	 9 27 36 32 25 35 29 21 25 26
    	1900-09:	20 33 32 28 27 17 13 22 21 19
    	1910-11:	 7  7

I though Cy Young won 41 games one year?

if not him was it Smokin Joe Woods?

mike

    Mike, what was Smokin Joe Woods smokin?
    
    Hawk

    Jack Chesbro was the pitcher who won 41 games in a single season.
    
    Young's stats again ...
    
    �	1890-09:	 9 27 36 32 25 35 29 21 25 26
    �	1900-09:	20 33 32 28 27 17 13 22 21 19
    �	1910-11:	 7  7
    
    His third year he wins 36 games and then the following year he wins 32. 
    After that he *slumps* to 25 before picking himself back up and winning
    35 the next year.
    
    I know it was a different era and a different style of play but I would
    have *loved* to have listened to the contract talks between Young and
    whomever owned the team he was on.
    
    "Gee, Cy, you're slipping.  You only won 25.  You'll have to take a cut
    in pay if this keeps up."
    
    Unreal.
    
    Bob Hunt

    Here's a trivia question that I don't know the answer to, but I bet
    someone in here might be able to figure it out.  
    
    Tonight, Doug Drabek goes for his 20th win of the year.  He would join
    four other Pirates with twenty wins since WWII.  Who are the other
    four? 
    
    I can name two.
    
    	--dan'l

    
    John Candelaria, Vern Law and Bob Friend are three...
    
    glenn (who has endured countless stories of the Bucco's of the
           50's-early 60's from Dad)
    

Long John Silver, Bluebeard, Dead Eye Dick, and Captain Jean Lafeet

    
    Dead Eye Dick played for the Cowboys.
    

    roy face?
    

    Candy Man, Law, Friend, and Steve Blass ?

    
      How about Doc Ellis

    
    I checked all preceding guesses and none are correct.  I found the
    fourth guy and he won 20 a little before my time, I'm afraid.
    
    glenn
    

    
    Nope, I checked him, too, but that's pre-post-WWII.  ;-)
    
    glenn
    

    Face, Ellis, Candelaria...and Murry Dickson?  Wow, that is trivia!  I
    never even heard of the guy.  And that he won 20 with the 51
    Pirates is even more astounding.  They probably only won about 50 games
    that year...or was that '52?
    
    	--dan'l