Conference 7.286::sports_90

    I suggest that we all ignore replying to T until he can start noting
    like everyone else.
    
    He's getting *very* old.
    
    Ras III

    I agree. Note like a man T!
                                          Denny

�   <<< Note 65.6 by JULIET::MAY_BR "walklikeaman/talklikeaman/notelikeaT" >>>

How come Bruce can get 36 letters in his p_name, and I can never get more than
32, or sometimes 33 ?????

Mike JN
     
    

    
    	because your pathname is longer (17 chars vs. 14 chars).
    	get the sysop to shorten your username and node name!
    	this update has been brought to you by...
    
    

    Bruce's is bigger than Mikey's!  Film at 11.............
    
    Claybone  ;^)
    

	As anyone can plainly see..... Mike's is bigger than Bruce's
    
	    MJOHNSTON = 9 characters
	    MAY_BR    = 6 characters
    
Mike `AND I've got a pile driving a$$' JN    

>>    Mike `AND I've got a pile driving a$$' JN    

We always called it either a lard ass or a lead ass...but call it what
    you like.
    
    8^)

War and Peace, Way to Tipperary, Mr T

Hawk likes leather...

All he needs is some lace to go with it....

Chainsaw

    Look out !!   
    
    Big Game

    
    Willie is also getting ready to write his auto-biography and have
    it ready for the silver screen. 

    should be plenty of action sceens.......  
    
    Big Game

    Is Richard Pryor going to play him?  No that was Greased Lightning...
    never mind...

    They better have plenty of cars !
    
    Big Game

    To bad it's into the wall most of the time...
    
    Big Game

     Agreed..........  But Wille puts more metal on the wall than
    anyother driver I've seen of late.  Not saying he's weak but 
    he could keep it outta the wall a little more than he does.
    
    Big Game

    True......  He always seems to walk though.
    
    Big Game

Okay T, if you think I'm gonna let you get away with just a
"headline" here, you're mistaken...

You're gonna hafta break down and put the story in here, as this
is big news, and I haven't seen anything in my paper on it...

Chainsaw

PS  For anybody....has anyone heard anything about 500cc rider
    Bubba Shobert and how he's doing these days?

    
    

    Frank, you might want to add RUNTUF::RACERS to your notes...

     Well,  what happend to Sena  !  Is this true or just more
    BS......
    
    Big game

    Blurb in the paper this morning that Senna has until Feb 15th to
    retract his comments about the governing body (forget what its called). 
    If he does'nt then his application for a F1 licence for 1990 will be
    ignored.  It does'nt say that he is suspended yet.

    What the $%^$%^&  did the guy say..... Did he say something
    about someones mother or what !!
    
    Big Gamey

        The following is copied without permission from this morning's
        "The Philadelphia Inquirer" ...
        
        Motor sports
        
        Ayrton Senna of Brazil, the 1988 Formula One world champion, will
        not be allowed to race on the Grand Prix circuit this year unless
        he retracts his criticism of the International Automobile
        Federation.
        
        Senna has charged that he was manipulated out of any shot at the
        1989 world driving championship so that Frenchman Alain Prost
        would win it.  Senna's hopes for the title ended when he was
        disqualified in the Japanese Grand Prix, the next-to-last race of
        the season.
        
        Hope this helps ...
        
        Bob Hunt

     What a bunch of ____heads...  he must have said something worse than
    that ...    I know you got that out of the paper, but I wonder what the
    real story is !   hummmmm
    
    MVBGH
    (mean&Violent Big Game Hunter)
    
    

    .43:
    
    The International Automobile Association have some "big-brother" type
    rule that states that all the drivers have to agree with all the
    decisions that the Association makes.
    
    Sounds pretty undemocratic to me, although I agree that Senna needs to
    be disciplined for his often dangerous driving (I know that the other
    drivers are really afraid that one day he is going to cost them their
    lives).
    
    Sameer

    	Sounds to me like Senna is the Al Unser, Jr. of F1.
    
    	Scott

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IAMOK::ALLEGREZZA "George Allegrezza @VRO"           20 lines  10-JAN-1990 09:15
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Note 837.59                   F1 Motor Racing 1990                      59 of 59
CURRNT::JENKINS_R "Undone, Underdone or Overdone?"   13 lines  10-JAN-1990 14:06
                      -< Just heard this on the radio... >-
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           *****AYRTON SENNA HAS BEEN BANNED FROM F1*******

   Jean-Marie Balestre announced at lunchtime today that Ayrton Senna
   has been banned for the whole of the coming seasons F1. The report on
   the radio said that when Balestre and Senna met last (in Paris?)
   Senna has refused to withdraw the allegation that last years
   championship was manipulated.

   Balestre went on to say that Senna will remain banned until he withdraws 
   this allegation.

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MORK::MALKOSKI                                       13 lines  10-JAN-1990 09:33
                            -< Bring on the soap! >-
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    re: Senna 
    
    I don't know how to take this!  I mean, Senna alone is one thing. 
    Bernie alone is another.  And Ballestre alone in alomost too much.  But
    throw them in a pot and what do you have?  To see JM and Aryton butting
    heads reminds me of the battles Bernie and JM had in the late 70's and
    early 80's over the control of the sport.  Now this.  I must say that
    JM ramblings sound demented, almost maniacal.  $5 will get $10 that
    Senna retracts and they kiss and make up.  This sounds like the script
    for a an afternoon soap opera.
    
    Paul
    
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NCEIS1::CHEVAUX "Patrick Chevaux, Nice, 828-6995"    16 lines  10-JAN-1990 09:39
             -< my version : it might happen, nothing decided yet >-
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Yesterday Olivier Grouillard has signed a 1-year contract with Osella.
He will be the only driver of the team in 1990.

This morning a spokesman of FISA council has told the press that they 
may not renew Ayrton Senna's F1 superlicence ie Senna may not be
allowed to compete in the 1990 F1 championship !!!!

Details of story: After numerous hearings of Ayrton Senna after the
Suzuka affair and because of the very 'offensive' attitude of Senna 
(among other charges he has been accusing JMB of unfair attitude towards
himself - and in favor of Prost - resulting in Prost winning the 1989 
title), the council cannot assure Senna of delivery of his 1990 F1 super
licence.

Just heard this on the french radio news at lunch time. JMB takes it
personal !
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IOSG::DUTT "Nigel Dutt"                               4 lines  10-JAN-1990 11:45
                            -< Where will it stop? >-
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    I'm getting worried. If JMB's global organization can hack into this
    notesfile we might all be banned from attending GPs. I'm just waiting
    for the mystery rejection of my ticket application for next year's
    British GP....
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CARP::SHAUGHNESSY "Ayrton Senna HAS been stopped!"   25 lines  10-JAN-1990 11:55
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    Hey Jean-Marie, I said *stop* Ayrton, not STOMP him!  :-)
    
    First Senna wheels out of control, now JMB goes off the deep end.
    Where's Bernie?  He's always good for a laugh.  Maybe we can get
    Bernie to explain (once again) about why exactly there were only
    8,000 people at his U.S. Grand Prix, that way he can look ridiculous
    too.
    
    No doubt about it, Balestre has gone off the deep end.  But think
    about Senna's charge, he's basically saying the JMB fixed the Driver's
    Championship in his countryman's favor, which is to accuse JMB and
    FIA of fraud, theft, and racketeering.
    
    Pretty strong stuff, especially in light of the fact that Senna WITHOUT
    DOUBT disqualified himself on two if not three rules infractions.  And
    has I-Hear-A-Taunt forgot who looked the other way when he drove at
    full clip past several red flags and an accident during qualification
    at Jerez because he had a good lap going and he thought that was took
    priority over the safety of fellow drivers and track workers?  And who
    can forget Taunt's two years of chopping and running people off the 
    road?  Jean-Marie, that's who.  Until I-Hear-A-Taunt got pushy with HIM.
                                                                       
    JMB is crazy, sure.  But the even crazier Senna drove him there.
    
    MrT
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IOSG::DUTT "Nigel Dutt"                              12 lines  10-JAN-1990 12:24
                                -< Black = red >-
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    Re -.1
    
    Talking of black flags, FISA have changed the rules for next year.
    Currently red is only shown at the start/finish line, and black is
    shown at all the marshall's posts. There's been a lot of complaint that
    these black flags are hard to spot, so the new rule is that red flags
    will be shown at all points to indicate a stopped race.
    
    I remember at one time it was commonly believed that Balestre was down
    on Prost. He even fined him once for not turning up to a press
    conference or something similar, and also for criticising FISA when he
    was black-flagged for a starting offence half-way through a race.
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VANTEN::MITCHELLD "Number 23 is ALIVE!"               4 lines  11-JAN-1990 04:00
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 Is it possible that even the noters are being manipulated by JMB?
 	if you want loads of free publicity and therefore increased revenue
the best way is to generate outrageous contraversy! Perhaps all of this is 
just a big show designed to keep the FISA coffers full to the brim.
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SEDOAS::REASON                                       31 lines  11-JAN-1990 04:37
                        -< Cant someone take out JMB? >-
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    (Hi everyone ...... just found this notesfile)      
                                                        
    I never thought I'd see the day when I'd feel sorry for Ayrton Senna,
    but I'm getting a bit sick of hearing about his crimes against
    humanity.                                           
                                                        
    Sure he's done a bit of whingeing this year , but not as much as
    Prost, whom I used to admire. Nobody would deny that he did commit
    these various infringements over the course of the year but why wasn't 
    he stopped at the time? I think its disgusting to bring the house down 
    on him now.                                         
                                                        
    I've heard that he's determined to dig his heels in over this 
    refusal to grant his licence, even to the point of quitting which 
    would be a shame (what am I saying??...)
                                                        
    As an aside - I think you're all a bit rough on Gerhard Berger.
    You dont just walk away from a shunt like he had in Imola without
    it affecting you. Its not surprising that he was a bit frazzled for
    most of this year                                   
                                                        
    I will read on with interest                        
                                                        
    Maureen                                             
                                                        
    PS Nigel - How DO you get tickets for the British GP?
         
                                                            
                                     
                                  
               
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NCEIS1::CHEVAUX "Patrick Chevaux, Nice, 828-6995"    30 lines  11-JAN-1990 08:29
                             -< take it easy JMB >-
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    re. FISA and Senna
    
    There's only a threat of not renewing Senna's F1 superlicence at
    this point. Now Napoleon Balestre wants public apologies from Senna.

    What really concerns me is that F1 (because of JMB) is becoming
    to look like football/soccer ie if someone speaks a little bit too
    loud then he/she gets banned.
    
    I thought this sort of attitude would never appear in high skills
    or high tech sports. The Senna case is a little bit like tennis
    with Nastase or McEnroe. What Nastase used to tell the referee and
    marshalls was "the difference between you guys and myself is that
    I'm the champion and I stand in the middle of the court while you
    guys sit on the side".
    
    I would like to see JMB do what he has to do : get the championships
    organised, publish rules, work on new ones, help develop auto clubs,
    ... etc ... insted of putting himself in the shoes of
    
      1. a businessman
      2. a dictator (a la Pinochet, Ceaucescu, Jaruszelski, ...)
    
    After all the world champion is xxxx (Senna, Prost, Piquet, Fangio,
    ...) NOT Balestre. Nobody cares about Balestre, there will be another
    FISA president when he retires but the Sennas, Mansells, Prosts,
    are the champs and they are unique. 
    
    That's what I hate about Balestre : this need to appear on television
    or on the front pages.
    

Thanks T...

(And I thought politic-ing was intense at DEC ;^))


Chainsaw (a Craven Panderer) 8^)

    One Ferrari and one Mc Laren in the 3 first places in Phoenix.
    
    But which pilot inside ?!
    
    Prost of course. Senna is going to do the same trick as for the GP of
    Monaco last year. Remember ?
    
    Bruno, from France.

Did anyone else see Michael Waltripp's accident on Saturday?

Quite a testament to the design and building of NASCAR cars.  The
car literally disintegrated, yet Waltrip walked away, virtually
unscathed.

Not so for the driver at Stafford Springs Speedway, Stafford Springs, CT,
who died in Sunday's Spring Sizzler.   I believe it was a NASCAR 
Modified or SK Modified event.  He hit the wall, and was later pronounced
dead at a nearby hospital...

'Sawe

    .55�Did anyone else see Michael Waltripp's accident on Saturday?
    
    .55�car literally disintegrated, yet Waltrip walked away, virtually
    .55�unscathed.
    
    	Yep! Mike even raced the next day! Which was two weeks ago...:*)
    
    B.A.

�    	Yep! Mike even raced the next day! Which was two weeks ago...:*)
    

Yeah, B.A, I caught it on ESPN, and I thought it was this past weekend.
They must've been a week delayed.

Gotta hand it to him.  He managed to get the name of his sponsor in
during the interview on the way to the track hospital....

'Saw

    .57�Gotta hand it to him.  He managed to get the name of his sponsor in
    .57�during the interview on the way to the track hospital....
    
    	That's the only way "POST" would let him run the next day! Those
    guys are good for their sponsors...Through life and Death(almost).
    
    B.A.

I have to disagree there, Dan.

I've seen many many crashes in NASCAR competition, and I think that
they are probably the safest racing cars.  I don't have statistics
to back that up, but from empirical observation, I see less injury
in NASCAR than in CART lets say.

Waltrip's was the worst crash I've seen in a while.  Even the roll
cage was bent.  But the man walked away with a few bruises.
Unbelievable.

I'd bet that a crash of similar severity in CART would have produced
some serious injuries.  (For one thing, CART drivers are all but
laying down, and I'm sure a similar crash would have resulted in
some pretty badly fractured legs for the driver...)

JMO, though...
'Saw

    I agree, Chainsaw, NASCAR has very stringent regulations which relates
    to amazingly safe cars for the speeds and dangers they are facing. 
    Like you said, almost always do you see these guys simply walking away
    from seemingly fatal crashes.  However, from time to time, there is an
    unlucky one........
    
    Dragsters are a different story.  Those are coffins.  Witness the fatal
    crash just last week.  The dragster was a flaming wreck before it even
    came to a halt.  You could tell that there was no way the driver would
    make it out alive.......
    
    H�wk

Another thing that I think is EXTREMELY cool these days are the
in-car cameras, and the cams on the bumpers etc.

To some people, I suppose watching guys in Ford Thunderbirds and 
Chevy Luminas go round and round would be boring, but I love to
watch NASCAR.  The great camera views, and shots of the drivers
working the car are so interesting....

And I still love the way they work the sponsors name in there...too cool.

If I was driving, I'd want to drive for Trojans or Ramses.... That
way I'd always smile when I mentioned my sponsor...

'Saw

    Chainsaw, does Lime Rock have NASCAR races?  Do you ever go there?
    How about a noters get-together there on a summery saturday or sunday
    afternoon?
    
    H�wk

No, but they have the Camel GT races there on Memorial Day
with the Porsche 962s et al.

There are a bunch of other type races there during the season.
It's a GREAT place to go, albeit a tad expenive to park.

I went three years ago, and I paid $20 to get in and park, and $5
to get into the paddock (best fin I ever spent!!!!)

An alternative would be to meet some Friday evening at Stafford
Motor Speedway in Stafford Springs.  I'd say to get to the 
speedway it would be approximately 20-30 minutes from Sturbridge MA,
and it's a great Friday night.  

They race NASCAR SK Modifieds there, and there's plenty of beer,
womens (esp in the summer) and good times.

I think they race on Saturdays too, so that's always a possibility.

'Saw

   	Anybody see the Indy 500?

   I thought it was great. Early in the race the cameras panned across
   Arie Ruyendyk's wife, Mieke. Although they failed to fully exploit her
   Titles & Acquisitions, I was suitably impressed.  She reminded me of
   Kim Bassinger. So I immediately started rooting for Arie, figuring
   (correctly) that if he was in contention, they'd show a lot more of his
   wife.

   Mike JN

    And the sports writer from the Union Lair (tm) (New Hamsters
    biggest paper) predicted Arie would win the 500 this year...
    
    REK

    >"Gentlemen, start your coffins"
    
    When I started this note (as a memorial to myself), it was strictly
    meant for intelligent conversation; NOT for the limp-lobed babbling
    of a, har de har har, Stankies "fan."
    
    Hey Schneid, did you realize that almost all applied technology advances 
    made in terms of auto/truck efficiency and, yes, safety, have their
    beginnings on a race track?
    
    Contrast that to, say, what your idol "coach" John Stompshim did to
    this declining nation with his heroic lone stand for lower educational
    standards.  Btw, whatever happened with that treaty he worked out with
    that big-shot crack dealer in that D.C. disco that night?
    
    MrT
    

Actually, if one examines the statistics, one will find that while
speeds have been steadily almost geometrically increasing (heh, heh,
heh, just a little hyperbole there), the safety factors have also
increased so that racing these days is probably much safer than
20 years ago.

No where is this more evident than in NASCAR competition.  However,
even CART has improved.  While the accidents may look spectacular
with bits and pieces flying everywhere, the cars are actually designed
to do that -- the flying pieces dissapate the awesome energies involved
in the crash.

If you ever get a chance, watch some of the motor sport shows on 
SportsChannel, Nashville Network or NESN.  Very often they discuss
the direct application of knowlegde gained on the track to production
cars...

HTH, 
Chainsawi

        Huge  C O N G R A T S ! ! Wasniahc on note number ([{ 69 }])

   Mike JN

    Anybody catch the Detroit GP?
    
    What crummy coverage CBS gave.  At one point you had Sullivan on
    top of Michael's rear for 1st, and Rahal all over Eddie for 3rd,
    and over 10 minutes we got maybe 30 seconds of film of either
    dog fight.  Instead they were showing railroad cars, interviews,
    backmarkers, and, PUUUUUUKE ALLLAAAAA SLURPSSS SPLASHSSSS!!!
    
    ... Chris "Wouldn't You Just Luv To Smash In My Big Mouthed Face"
    Economacki.
    
    Also, I don't think they provided a single time interval during the
    race (except for the 1.1 or .07 second types that are totally
    uselss).  We had NO idea how far behind Rahal was until, thank you,
    Michael pulled up behind him to try and lap.
    
    Hey CBS Sports: Be smart and pick up the phone and call ESPN and
    subcontract to them production of all your race propterties willya.
    
    MrT(icked off!)

    
    I watched the Pocono 500 yesterday on PPV and their camera work was
    terrific. They had a camera in several of the cars and it was on a
    pivot so they could direct the camera where it was needed. They had one
    shot from Kyle Petty's car where the car about 10 foot infront of him
    blew a tire. The view as the car went out of control and Petty's effort
    to avois it were just tremendous. Harry Gant won the race, becoming the
    oldest driver to win a Winston Cup event.
    
    Dennis
    

Gee, this past weekend was a weekend of "oldests" what with Hale
Irwin winning the US Open.

Re Detroit:

	T, I agree.  I watched (or tolerated) the coverage long
	enough to see Little Al out of it.  Then realizing that the
	rest of the drivers were now safe, I flipped the channel.

	(I had to laugh at Lil' Al, saying how he just hoped it was
	a safe race and all.  When he's out there, no one is safe...)


re Winston on PPV:

	Boy, and I thought wrasslin was bad enough on PPV.  I wanted
	to see this race, but it wasn't worth it to me to pay to see
	it.  I wonder how they made out financially on the deal.


'Saw

    NASCAR driver Dale Earnhardt led all 50 laps in the third and final
    race of the 1990 International Race of Champions (IROC) to capture the
    series championship.
    
    

Whoopee!

Geoff was probably out doing charity work to help those who are
less fortunate, instead of trying to line his pockets by prostituting
himself in a race which allows them sports car boys in ;^)

'Saw

    .75�less fortunate, instead of trying to line his pockets by prostituting

    	In which the winning driver donates his share to a worthy
    organization! Mostly to under privileged children!
    
    B.A.

    Yeah! So stick that in your homebrew and drink it!  8^)
    
    B.A.,
    
    Has Dale passed Martin yet in points?  Last time I checked he was only
    1 stinkin' point behind him!
    
    
    

re the last two:


Find an intransitive verb in the dictionary which is defined as a 
current of air in motion.  Write it down.  Append a space.
Find an objective pronoun which begins with "m".  Write that after
the space.

Read it.

Oh yeah, don't forget to append a thousand of these ;^)

Have fun....

'Saw

PS.  I don't really give two hoots (or a Monty for that matter) about
     the IROC.  Just another thing to fill space when lack of real good
     racing is on.... boring.....

    What are you talking about?  IROC is a true test of a racers ability
    because all the cars are equal, therefore, showing who is truly
    superior in driving skills.  Your just jealous cause Bodine didn't
    win!
    
    All in good fun!   8^)

No, that's where it fails.

Personally, I'd prefer a race like I saw in motorcycle racing
a few years back.

The devised a course which was comprised of sections of motocross,
road racing, and one other type (I forget which).  The bikers could
choose the type of bike they felt best suited for the course.
(It was invariably a variation of a motocross bike).

Then they raced like hell.  I felt that was a much truer test than
IROC.

But that's neither here nor there anyway.  And to be honest, I didn't
even know they were still running IROC.....

'Saw

    
    	The NASCAR boys race this weekend at Watkins Glen...Martin leads
    Dull by 1 point..should change after this race...
    
    	As for Bodine(Weasel) being in the IROC, you have to be invited to
    race in that series. Which Ge-off didn't get!
    
    Happy racin'
    
    B.A

    Thanks B.A., but ya did make that typo: Dull! (I know, it belongs in 
    another file).   :^)
    
    Weasel, however, is correct on Bodine's part.
    

Y'all just don't like Bo-dine cause he's from my neck of the woods....8^)

Rob Moroso of Madison, CT is leading in the RoY points...

I suppose you guys don't like Greg Sacks or Rusty Wallace either...

later,

    'Saw
    
    I believe Bo-dine (the weasel) was born in Elmira, NY!  So tell us,
    when did ya all move?  If you're ever out around the Binghamton,NY
    area during the NASCAR off-season you'll find that Bodine races at
    Shangrala (sp?) Speedway.
    

Well, as opposed to the Great American South, Elmira NY is my neck
of the woods.

I knew he was from NY....

So, you guys never said how you felt about Wallace and Sacks...

'Saw

    Wallace and Sacks are a couple of bums!
    
                     JUST KIDDING!
    
    

    .83�Rob Moroso of Madison, CT is leading in the RoY points...
    
    	Not badwhen there's only TWO drivers contending for that great
    award!
    
    .83�I suppose you guys don't like Greg Sacks or Rusty Wallace either...
    
    	You mean "Hollywood" and the "Worm" Of course not!..:*)
    
    B.A.

�    .83�Rob Moroso of Madison, CT is leading in the RoY points...
�    
�    	Not badwhen there's only TWO drivers contending for that great
�    award!
    
There were five listed in yesterday's paper.  I don't have it with
me, but might be able to rescue it from the recylcing bin, and could
list them....

'Saw

    .88�There were five listed in yesterday's paper.  I don't have it with
    
    	Please post them, and their point standings.
    
    As of right now, it's Moroso in first with Jack Pennington in second!
    
    B.A.
    

    Just read that Dale is the NASCAR money leader with a total of
    $1,168,525.00.  Not too shabby, eh?
    
    Oh yeah, Weasel is in 4th:  $537,315.00
    
    B.A., isn't Derrike Cope from CT?
    

    They gotta do something about NASCAR.  That Pespi Classic crash was
    awful.  As the man said, it takes minutes just to make a pass, the
    fast cars can't get out of the way of the backmarkers.  These cars
    go to dagblamed fast for that kinda racing - especially on the super
    speedways.  These restrictor plates have gotta go.  France may be a
    marketing genius, but he was stupid to try to limit speeds at the power
    source in such a clumsy way.  The better teams need to have a better
    delta.  It seems that Bill is so concerned about parity that he's gone
    overboard.  Hail, he and his phony yellows with 5 laps to go isn't
    good enough?
    
    Btw, one a you experts tale me why radials diminish stock car safety,
    too much stick?  I've always assumed that radials are more stable and
    therefore safer, but apparently this isn't so in the stock cars.  Why?
    
    Is Dale Earnhardt God?  Probably not, but if he were we'd be better off
    cuz then at least the Higher Force would finally assert itself.
    
    You know how NASCAR could kick some serious butt against CART and the
    other classes: By inserting, Dayton-style, a road course segment in the
    infield of all its courses.  The cars would be more interesting, and
    the racing teams could sort themselves out.  It'd be the ultimate in
    racing, the subtlety of oval racing with the late-braking chance-taking
    of road course racing.  At a time when open wheel racing is committing
    suicide on stupid street courses, NASCAR could take over, even go 
    international, by modernizing their fleet and coming up with a format
    that calls on a total driver's skill set.  Most F1 drivers are keenly
    interested in oval racing, if France took this bold step money sez they'd
    come over.
    
    re: IROC
    
    Speaking a spec racing, the new SCCA spec racer from Shelby is beautiful.
    It's the ultimate poor man's race car (poor man being defined as somebody
    with tens of thousands in spare cash and time to pull Gs wif).
    
    re: NASCAR winnings
    
    You're talking chicken poop.  Alain Prost made nearly $10 million in 
    salary this year.  Senna will sign for nearly $20 next year.  Now *that*
    is what ya call money!  Course, that's the differnce between living in
    Monaco and living in Valdosta, GA, now ain't it.
    
    MrT(urbo)

    MrT,
    
    Radials have yet to be perfected, thats why they haven't done what
    they're supposed to have.....remember when they first tested them?
    The drivers just tore them suckers to pieces!!!!
    
    Any addition/modification to a sport will take time to perfect.
    

    On my NASCAR infield road course idea, the disadvantage would be 
    the lack of parking space, but the biggest advantage would be that
    it would provide the best race fan sight lines ever.  Imagine watching
    a_entire superspeedway-cum-road race right there before your eyes as
    if you were at the football stadium!
    
    Btw, to those a you out there with the high class to be F1 fans, turns
    out that (American) Steve Nichols, Prost's race engineer, chose the
    wrong gear ratio for the amount of wing they had up and thus Prost and
    Mansell were hitting rev limiter on those long Hockenheimring straights.
    
    This is a_important point, for it means that Ferrari steal has power 
    parity with the dread McHondas, it was only bad race set-up that cost
    them competitiveness at the German.  Sunday's Hungarian (7:50 EDT on
    our beloved ESPN, "the racing fan's best friend") is a Ferrari course.
    Prost cain catch that devil Senna, and I'm lighting candles and offering
    votives and beseeching the sky to blow this rat's gearbox up, several
    times!
    
    MrT

    re .92
    
    But why do they work on other formulas but not on NASCAR stockers?
    Is it the weight?  The ovals?  The aerodynamics?
    
    MrT

    Its because the NASCAR boys are meaner, tougher, and nastier than
    all the others........do I have to tell you *everything*?  8^)
    
    

No NASCAR racer could even begin to think of carrying a F1 drivers jock.
(and I'm a big NASCAR fan).

Cope is from WA.

Don't have the newspaper listing anymore.  Looked for it last night and
it's gone, so that means that it's probably going to be in next weeks
paper plates or napkins....  Next listing I see, I'll post it.  I'm 
sure there was more than two in there.....

I like the road course idea for NASCAR.  It would tend to replicate one
of the origins of the sport -- running moonshine whisky on them old
southern backroads.

Can't answer the radial question.


Driving a F1 car is probably the closest thing to flying a high performance
fighter aircraft that you can do on the ground....


Is Nigel retiring after the season???

Will the Americans ever become a force in F1 racing???


'Saw

    And Dick Trickle is from Wisconsin, which I think makes a very
    very positive statement about the level of action out here in
    the Great Midwest.
    
    MrT

    Guess I'm gonna have to learn to start disliking him now!
    
    Ha   ha   ha......
    
    many 8^)

Grey Poupon on Cornbread is SOOOOOMMMMMEEEEE GOOD!!!!!!

    only yuppies like Grey Poupon!  8^)))

Actually, the mustard you find in and around Paris blows Grey Poupon
away.  All in all, though, it can't compare to the mustard they
serve in Chinese restaurants....

I wouldn't mind seeing NASCAR just do some road racing, like at
Watkins Glen, Lime Rock, Road Atlanta....

Be pretty interesting....

'Saw

PS  I'm glad I don't have a name like Dick Trickle.  Having a 
    name like Way is tough enough... Imagine Dick's son (Cole? 8^))
    going through his early years with people saying "Oh, it's just
    a little Trickle..."

    
    You can mayonnaise my salad, but don't Poupon my sandwich.
    
    Dickster
    

    re .102
    
    Is Dick Trickle related to The Clap Family in any way (or is it
    Way)????
    
    :-)

re Dickster:

	I see those 'shrooms are still kicking in....

    .91�    You're talking chicken poop.  Alain Prost made nearly $10 million in 
    .91�    salary this year.  Senna will sign for nearly $20 next year.  Now *that*
    
    	We're talking "WINNINGS" not salary!  Sure, anybody can sign for a
    huge amount, but can they win a HUGE amount?
    
    As for the road course idea, Two are enough. I agree with you T on the
    damn restrictor plates! They suck!  We've formed a club in RACERS
    called F.A.R.T.  Fans Against Restrictor Templates!
    
    B.A.

    B.A. Whats the matta with RACERS this week anyway????

    re-1,
    
    	They had a over-due pit stop! :*).
    
    	Getting set for the second half of the season I hope!
    
    B.A.

    	Here's your Rookie of the Year Standings....All 3 of them!
    
     1. Rob Moroso  177
     2. Jack Pennington 107
     3. Jerry O'Neil   37
    
    B.A.

Thanks B.A.

Haven't seen this morning's paper (didn't feel like getting out of the
truck to get it when I hit the end of the driveway) yet.

I'm sure there were a couple more names in that last list, but it 
could have been a typo...that happens from time to time in the 
Courant sports standings/info...

thanks again,
'Saw

    How about that NASCAR road race???
    
    Dale gets pole......way to go Dale!
    
    Wallace blows his engine...after he and Earnhardt tango and *give*
    the lead to the weasel Bodine (Geoff).
    
    As expected, the tires took one massive beating!
    
    Congrats to Rudd, the winner, he and Wallace dominate the road courses.
    
    

    Ricky Rudd won.....
    
    The person losing their brakes was Geoff Bodine....
    
    1. Ricky Rudd
    2. Weasel
    3. Brett Bodine  - the homeboys place 2nd & 3rd....
    .
    .
    7. Dale Earhhardt (Still only 10 points away from Martin; who finished
                       either 5th or 6th)
    
    
    
    

    	Results from Watkins....

     1.Ricky Rudd     92.452           2.Geoff Bodine
     3.Brett Bodine                    4.Mike Waltrip
     5.Mark Martin                     6.Morgan Shepherd
     7.Dale Earnhardt                  8.Tom Kendall
     9.Ken Schrader                   10.Irv Hoerr
    11.Alan Kulwicki                  12.Bill Elliott
    13.Rob Moroso                     14.Terry Labonte
    15.Sterling Marlin                16.Bobby Hillin
    17.Kyle Petty                     18.Richard Petty
    19.Davey Allison                  20.Dale Jarrett
    21.Harry Gant                     22.J.D.McDuffie
    23.Hut Stricklin                  24.S.Van DerMerwe
    25.Butch Miller                   26.Jerry O.Neil
    27.Dick Johnson                   28.Ernie Irvan
    29.Jimmy Spencer                  30.Dick Trickle 
    31.Dave Marcis                    32.Rick Wilson
    33.Tommy Riggins                  34.Rusty Wallace
    35.Derrike Cope                   36.Rick Ware
    37.Oma Kimbrough                  38.John Alexander
    39.Jimmy Means                    40.Greg Sacks

    Time of race: 2:21:49
    Caution Flags:5 for 15
    Lead Changes: 11 among 8 drivers

    Point Standings...

     1.Mark Martin       2,669
     2.Dale Earnhardt    2,659
     3.Geoff Bodine      2,549
     4.Rusty Wallace     2.409
     5.M.Shepherd        2,348
     6.Kyle Petty        2,331
     7.Ken Schrader      2,318
     8.Bill Elliott      2,307
     9.Ricky Rudd        2,255
    10.Ernie Irvan       2,174

    Rookie Of the Year Standings...

     1.Rob Moroso    177
     2.Jack Pennington  105
     3.Jerry O'Neil     37

      Sterling Marlins's car owner hit Tommy Kendall with a cane after the
    race claiming that Tommy wrecked Sterling!

    	Rusty Wallace broke a rod in the engine...Dale says that he has no
    comment on the accident with Rusty, that he will deal with it later!

    	Martin- 3 flats in the last 18 laps...Could have been closer to the
    front if not for them...

    Next race Michigan...

    Later,

    B.A.

    >I was disappointed in the coverage in the Hungarian Grand Prix,
    >though.  It was only a half hour.
    
    What moon you hailing from today, *Steven*_boy?
    
    I watched the race live and it was over a_hour and a half.  And,
    it proved that racing cain be spine tingling exciting without those
    end-of-race faux yellows Bill France gets so happy with.
    
    Why didn't 'Sandro Nannini beat up the conniving Senna after he got
    screwed out of a win by him, anyway?  And Gerhard has gotten to be a
    menace with his crashing into people from behind.  He's become the bane
    of Nigel's existence, first pulling in front of him, now plowing into
    his back.  
    
    "le Professeur" trails by 10 now.  He needs a break.  I need a break.
    Go anybody, beat McHonda!
    
    MrT

    1. Ricky Rudd
    2. Weasel
    3. Brett Bodine
    
    Mais, alors monsieur.  Si vous plait, qui est "Weasel?"
    
    Monsieur "T"

   Mais, non, monsieur. Bodine = Weasel, eh? No sheet.

   Mike ZSAY EN

>    
>      Hey, by the time I got up, peenched, had coffee, fed the dog, 
>    checked SPORTS.NOTE, changed the babys diapers, gave him breakfast,  
>    and got to the TV, it was about 07:20. I saw a half hour of racing.
    
Steven, you need to restructure your life.

For example, by purchasing a bed pan, you could peench before you
get up.  Or better yet, put the terminal in your baffroom, check
Sports while you're peenching.  Fed the dog and the kid at the
same time, and while the kid is eating, change his diapers (he'll
never know).  Turn the TV on while doing this and you'll probably
be in front of the race by 6:45 nexted time...

HTH,
'Saw

    Ernie Irvan wins his first ever NASCAR race at Bristol!

Doesn't he drive the Kodak car???  

I always liked that guy's name...almost like his folks wanted to name
him Irvin Irvin, but didn't dare 8^)

My brother's going up to the feature at Louden nexted weekend....

later,
'Saw

    Ernie does drive the Kodak car....what a happy man he was!
    
    If your brother is going up to Loudon, take this advice:
    
    Either leave 50 laps early, OR:
    
    Have at *least* 2 cases of beer, bring a hibachi, food, and tunes.  It
    took us 5+ hours to get out of there earlier this year.  Although I
    must say, those were 5 of the funniest hours of the day.
    
    Also, bring beer in the cooler in with you, they aren't allowed to sell
    it!

>it took us 5+ hours to get out of there
    
    Boy, sure am glad I live near there and 
    
    	A)  Don't have to drive.
    	B)  Know the "back" roads
    	C)  Don't watch the races  8^)
    
    The Wizard

    Dale wins Darlington.......AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
    
    Only a mere 26 points behind Mark Martin!

>        I noticed, (how could you miss it) DEC had an advertising 
>    billboard on the track, but it interesting to note it was in the 
>    old DEC blue and white colors.
       
Last I knew we were still blue and white.  Unless of course the
Mushroom rule for engineers applies to me also (ie. Keep us in
the dark and feed us bull hooey)...

What are the "new" colors?

'Saw    

    Dale wins the Miller Genuine Draft 400 @ Richmond!
    
    Sheesh, that makes ummmmm 47 wins!  Looks like Dale is gonna pass
    Ned Jarretts 50 wins.
    
    (Corporate colors:  I think they were changed back to blue and white,
     at least all of our stationery and letterheads, etc are blue and
     white.  Besides, colors can't be copyrighted!)

    Gosh, you must have seen a different race than the one that I watched
    on ESPN.  The one that I saw had Senna on the pole and he led
    wire to wire.  Where did taking the lead on lap 20 come from?
    

    >I pulled such a boner,
    
    Will you EVER quit bragging?  And, I too musta seed a different race
    from the one *you* watched, Stevie_boy, cuz the guy who crashed on
    my broadcast was named Warwick.  On that, Derek haplessly explained 
    his crash by saying "I lost downforce..."  Looked to me like he came
    into Parabolica too damned fast ran off the road and nearly killed
    himself.  
    
    Also, you say that nobody had a chance at taking a run at him, yet
    Prost was only a 8 seconds down before he ran off a slew of fastest
    laps.  With his better tire situation, Prost woulda certainly been
    wheel-to-wheel with Senna by the last few laps had he not been blocked
    by a backmarker who let Senna by without a peep.  But, with about 
    15 laps left it looked like a barnburner.  Steven_boy, for a modest
    fee ($120 per hour) I cain give you full instruction in the art of 
    race watching.
    
    MrT

    Senna ran a softer overall compound, which, according to the laws
    of physics, meant Prost had more stick in the late race.  Now, true
    Senna is a great driver on slipperies, but Prost was pressing him
    into exchanging fastest laps during the mid-race, which was to Senna's
    disadvantage cuz he was nursing his rubber.  In the world of F1, once
    a tire delta is developed, 8 seconds is nothing.  Prost was never able
    to develop it cuz he was blocked for a few laps by the geek and Senna
    was thus allowed to nurse his tires when they shoulda been failing. 
    Then, when Prost finally got by (after toasting *his* tires racing a
    backmarker) there were only a few laps left, he was 15 seconds or more
    back, and Senna had enough rubber to go with anybody for the remainder.
    
    >'New Orleans' is to 'the Heart of ACC country.'
    
    Fraud.  I never had the city in the wrong region, I had the game in the
    wrong city.  Asides, with the Big10 Champ playing in front of two
    bigoted ACC refs it's no wonder that for the second year in a row they
    were denied a Final Four berth by way of obvious manipulation of the
    game clock so as to allow a team that had already lost to end up
    winning.
    
    That's what makes the cream puff ACC's dastisticks work, though. 
    Fakery.  Such is life in a state (North Carolina) that gives us Jesse
    Helms and the 2nd lowest SAT scores in the Nation.
    
    MrT

    1. Estoril, Portugal         - slow and sunny
    2. Jerez, Spain     - slow, scary and sunny
    3. Suzuka, Japan 	- HoMoCo headquarters
    4. Australia        - wild street course
    
    These are all relatively slow courses, which plays into the hands of
    Prost, whose Ferrari has superior handling.  Barring more bad luck,
    the experts figure that he has a shot at catching Senna for the World
    Driver's Championship, especially given that Senna starts dropping 
    wins before Alain.  
    
    Also, Alain is due for some luck finally.  Berger has behaved like a
    stalking horse for Senna all year, crashing into the Ferraris at any
    opportunity.  If Prost cain just get by the scary Austrian maybe he
    cain deal.
    
    MrT
    

    Prost = Greatest Driver of All Time
    
    Elway = Greatest QB of All Time?
    
    Prost, two years on same team with a coddled Senna, goes 1-2.  This
    year he's all over McHonda's replacement #2 driver and is nipping at
    Senna's heels.  If Prost were still with McHonda he'd be ready to go
    2-3, which he may pull of anyways.
    
    MrT

    Prost, won more Grands Prix than anybody else, ever.
    
    Prost, more fastest laps than anybody else, ever.
    
    Prost, hardly ever crashes.
    
    Prost, never toasts de tires.
    
    Prost, "le professeur."
    
    MrT

    Has anyone ever seen Alain Prost, Jerry Glanville, and Bob Knight
    together in the same room ???
    
    Think about it ...
    
    Bob Hunt

    I don't see the comparison.  While Glanville *is* a truly remarkable
    coach who's changing the league with his ideas, he has NOT established
    himself as the greatest ever in his profession as have Bob et Alain.
    
    MrT

    Re. 138
    
    I seriously doubt that Senna will have to start dropping WINS before
    Prost.  He may have to start dropping points.
    
    Of course, he could just pull a Prost and crash Prost out of the
    remaining races and win the WC easily...
    

I use this "MrT Memorial Note" to publicly condemn MrT... the most loathesome
character on the net.

I lent him a book of mine... a book my wife gave me for Christmas... a very
special book... and MrT sends it back to me defiled, defaced, and destroyed.
On the inside cover, he wrote, in the penmenship of a dyslexic 3rd grader,
"Thiz book is the propertee of MrT".

I'm still stunned.  My wife is not speaking to me {how does one explain
MrT?}... and this after I have personally guided his rotisserie baseball
teams behind the scenes from last place last year to the middle of the 
pack.

That's it, T.   You are lower than a wart on John Thompson's foot.  You
stink worse than Dean's nicotine breath.   May your hair someday make 
Lou Henson's look normal.    

    So quit holdin' us in suspense, Rossee, what the hail book did ya lend
    him?  He's already read "Season on the Brink", and anyways I thought
    you IU types had issued a death sentence, Ayatollah-style, against the
    righteous author.  Could be more of that liberal propaganda T loves,
    but that trash doesn't strike me as your style.
    
    What could it be?  One of The Hardy Boys mysteries?  The Bible?  The
    Berenstain Bears in Too Much TV?  A Harlequin Romance? (For MrsT?)
    Emily Dickinson poetry?
    
    Let's have it.
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    re-1,
    
    	How the grench stole christmas!
    
    B.A.

"How to Flatten Your Buttocks in 30 Days"



Actually, the title is unimportant....   The heinous act is what matters.

    
    "How to Win Friends and Influence People?"
    

    
    "I'm OK, You Sip?"
    

Walt Whitman's "Blades of Grass"?

    Goober, whatever in the holy HAIL are you moaning about now?  You gave
    me the book, then you sent me a_e-mail doing a_IndianGiver job
    explaining how you couldn't afford to let me keep it after all and that
    I should spend $15 sending you a $10 book back, which I did.  
    
    In other words, you made me subsidize your cheapskatedness.
    
    As for my handwriting, I had been drinking a bit and perhaps my hand
    wasn't as steady as I woulda like, but I've learned from the Jay Edwards
    of the world that it's necessary to always get your name on a book
    first thing just in case somebody tries to mooch it.
    
    >he could just pull a Prost and crash Prost out of the remaining
    >races and win the WC easily...
    
    Prost OWED that neat job at Suzuka ten times over.  It stands as one
    of the funniest, most gratifying pay-backs in all of sport history.
    You could see le professeur's big smile even with his helmet still on!
    
    If Senna pulls anything he'll pull a Senna, as he did with Nannini to
    pick up a_ill-gotten 9 at the Hungaroring, and as his servant Gerhard
    did there, and at Monaco, and at...
    
    Allez Alain!  Vanquer !!
    
    MrT

    re .156
    
    Wrong again.  Senna only got 6 at the Hungaroring.  Boutsen won the
    race there...

    The fack remains that I-Hear-A-Taunt has benefited mightily this season
    from bumper car action, which Alain never involves himself in (except 
    that one sweet WC-winning payback at Suzuka :^).  
    
    Reviewing this season thus far:
    
    1. Mansell ain't nearly as good as Alain, and he's leaving Ferrari
       under the guise of a fake retirement outta embarrassment.
    
    2. Berger ain't nearly as good as Alain by a long shot, and fits the
       role of #2 McHonda pilot well where Alain didn't at all.
    
    3. Prost as #2 got a_even split with I-Hear-A-Taunt over two years
       despite running advanced spec engines and getting newer monocoques
       and chopping poor Alain off the course where needed.  This year,
       driving the unreliable lesser-powered red car he's nipping at his
       heels and could win a WC with four slow courses coming up.
    
    Conclusion: le Professeur est le mieux.  Only Jim Clark or Fangio cain
    hold a light to him.  Wail, Gilles too, but he died young.
    
    MrT

My all time favorite had to be Jackie Stewart.  Jim Clark unfortunately
died before I became a racing fan.  (It's said that Clark only
spun twice in his career -- the second time killed him).

Anyway, I like Prost.  He's not my current fav (Mansell is), but
at least he does it straight up and clean, not like that weenie
Brazilian Senna...  I'd rather watch Prost win because of the
way he wins.  

I think Le Professeur can pull it off again, I really do...

'Saw

    'Saw, I went to school with Jackie Stewart's kids in Switzerland and
    take the pleasure in saying I beat up his oldest son.  He was a
    smartass who felt his money gave him the right to be an a**hole.  He
    once decided to play rugby and I really got him.  He never played rugby
    again but we became friends after that.  I hear his younger brother has
    taken up racing.  BTW his mother was the most awesome looking woman,
    but that was back in the late '70s.
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

Yeah, Mrs Stewart was something to behold alright.

One of the most enjoyable things I saw on Stewart was an episode of
"An American Sportsman", where Curt Gowdy, Stewart and someone else
went grouse hunting in the heather in Scotland.

Perhaps it's my Scottish heritage, but I enjoyed that show more than
any other American Sportsman show....

'Saw

    Jackie quit his job as color man for ABC in order to personally
    manage his son's F3000 team.  Running all the latest equipment,
    one of the best drivers ever as team manager, top flight crew,
    no wonder the kid's spoiled.  He has it all!
    
    MrT

    .162�    Jackie quit his job as color man for ABC in order to personally
    
    	He got too excited when he was doing color for NASCAR, when
    somebody rubbed fenders and he couldn't understand why they didn't come
    into the pits and quit! :*)
    
    B.A.

    
    
    Ah....  A.B.E.  it happended!  Got to love it!
    
    B.A.

    B.A., you ignore the fack that in NASCAR they aren't men enough to
    race the truly harrowing way - open wheel.  Those big fat antiquated
    crates they run in NASCAR have fenders and with the walls and all 
    they cain bump n' run all day long and it means about as much as a
    hoopster-hip-hand-check.  Ho-hum.
    
    By way of startling stark contrast, you touch in open wheel and one
    a the cars involved usually hurtles into the sky, a not insignificant
    happenstance at 225 MPH!
    
    MrT

    re-1,
    
    	I'd rather see bump n' run all day than to have "one" leader all
    race long!  Or do they still have lead changes in those races? :*)
    
    	Crates? 3,500 pounds? A crate? Sure T, sure! 
    
    .165�    a the cars involved usually hurtles into the sky, a not insignificant
    .165�    happenstance at 225 MPH!
    
    	In which the driver is instantly killed! In NASCAR, the safest cars
    in the world, you cain tumble for 23 times and not have a s(k)cratch on
    you!
    
    B.A.

    >NASCAR, safest cars in the world.
    
    Uh, how many drivers have been killed in NASCAR this year?  (I've
    lost count.)  The safest cars in the world are F1 cars, which by
    spec are the strongest and most rigid, even despite being open-
    wheeled!
    
    Also, they cain turn on a dime, whereas W.C. cars cain't get outta
    their own way which is the cause of so many of them tragic accidents
    wherein those antiqued sheetmetal crates come flying apart like a
    cheap suit from the washing machine.
    
    MrT

    .167�    Uh, how many drivers have been killed in NASCAR this year?  (I've
    
    
    	"2" were killed in classes below W/C!
    
    .167�    wherein those antiqued sheetmetal crates come flying apart like a
    .167�    cheap suit from the washing machine.
    
    	Sure! Hit the wall in a coffin and see what happens. Parts
    everywhere!  No need to try and get to the pits, there already gone!
    
    B.A.

    I'm not in this, but you tell 'em B.A.!!!!!!!!!
    
    In both cases in WC that those guys were killed, had it been open
    wheel cars , BOTH drivers would have been killed!!!!
    
    Not long ago a sprinter(Open Wheel) driver was killed, can't remember
    his name!!! Also, a track worker was killed by an open wheel car, had
    it been WC, the guy probably would have just been knocked across the
    track and his life messed up, but saved!!!
                                                   M.J.

    Re last
    
    
    I believe you are talking about Rick Volger (sp?)
    
    
    
    Lou

    What kind of bull you guys tryin' to spring in here?
    
    F1 cars would never even HAVE the kind of accidents them NASCAR
    crates were involved in - cuz they cain handle!  Proof: there's
    nothing more pathetic than seeing them overweight crates running
    on the road courses.  Embarrassing.  Hail, watching that Watkins
    Glen one I was tempted to lace up my high tops and try and see 
    if I could outrun them myself!
    
    Overweight, underpowered, poor handling, dangerous, fake full-course
    yellows.
    
    MrT

    >First win of the year.!!
    
    Which, given the fact that W.C. runs 14,273 races per year sez 
    a helluva lot now don't it.
    
    MrT

    Big news hot off the wire: Young French superstar Jean Alesi has
    just signed with Ferrari, joining his mentor-to-be le professeur
    Alain Prost.  Rumors are Nannini turned down the ride for fear that
    year after next the paranoid egomaniac Ayrton Senna will join Ferrari,
    so 'Sandro will probably stick with Benneton.  Other rumor is that
    the empty seat at Williams will be filled by the allegedly retiring
    Mansell.  This opens the question as to who will take the empty seat
    at Tyrell (the other seat being occupied by the worthless Nakajima
    that they must endure in order to get the Honda engine).
    
    MrT

    Yamaha's been in F1 for, oh, 2-3 years now.  They've been going to
    school, one should say, cuz their designs thus far have been singularly
    unsuccessful being underpowered and unreliable.  But, they're sticking
    with it, and with their history of race engineering I wouldn't be 
    surprised to see them spring a design that's competitive.  I'm not 
    sure how big Yamaha is, though, and one wonders whether they have
    the dough to match the mogambo moola being expended by Fiat, Ford, 
    or Honda (who's rumored to've blown over $500 million on engine 
    developmenet thus far).
    
    MrT

   Any word on what Porshe is going to do?

   Seems like they were hinting at a reduced racing commitment, at the
   least...and possibly bagging the whole thing.

      ??
   Mike JN

    .171�    on the road courses.  Embarrassing.  Hail, watching that Watkins
    .171�    Glen one I was tempted to lace up my high tops and try and see 
    .171�    if I could outrun them myself!
    
    	But I know you said that watching cars PASS each other was boring!
    
    	On F1, you have ONE leader all race long!  REAL EXCITING! If that's
    what you call fun, your on your own.
    
    	Good luck with the laces, Don't let the boots hit your knees! :*)
    
    B.A.

    Porsche signed a_agreement with Arrows to supply engines for 2 years.
    They recently appointed a new CEO who reaffirmed Porsche's commitment
    to racing in general, stating that they'd stay in CART for the time
    being despite being screwed royal by the in crowd, and would possibly
    work on a follow-on to the venerable 962.
    
    >On F1, you have ONE leader all race long!
    
    False claim.
    
    >But I know you said that watchign cars PASS each other was boring!
    
    Ain't never said no such damned thing.  Watching a F1 pass is exciting
    cuz it's quick and surgical; in NASCAR a pass cain take several minutes
    to accomplish, the nice aspeck of that being that you got time to run
    to the can and then the fridge to grab a brew and still be back in time
    to see the "power move" being completed...
    
    MrT
    

    .180�    cuz it's quick and surgical; in NASCAR a pass cain take several minutes
    
    	And usually has one per race. Then you can go to the can as often
    as you wish.
    
    B.A. 

    F1 is about as boring as a pig race. Even the pigs pump and pass! Like
    B.A. said your on your on. Sure they F1 pass quick and so do some of
    the Nascar cars.
    
    Anyway show me facts and figures!!!! And Nascar will dominate them
    also!!!!!!
                                                       M.J.

    >NASCAR DRIVER WON IROC!!!!!!!!!
    
    So?  Isn't IROC essentially a NASCAR formula, stock cars running on
    ovals?  [yes]  It'd be a sad commentary on the quality of drivers
    in NASCAR if they didn't win IROC every year - and they haven't.
    
    Look, I'm not hankerin' to put down NASCAR and its underpowered cars
    and its antique technology and its phony full course yellows assuring
    that a 3 hour race always comes down to a 5 lap heat, I consider all
    racing as a good thing.  But, in the spirit of input/feedback/sharing/
    caring/valuing differences-style communications here, you must admit
    that this ranking of driver quality is accurate:
    
    	1. F1
    	2. CART
    	3. Group C/GTP
    	4. NASCAR W.C.
    	5. GTO/GTP
        6. SCCA TransAm
    	7. NASCAR Grand National	
        8. IHRA Top Fuel/Funny Cars
    	9. Monster Trucks
       10. Swamp Rat Racing (tie)
    	   Tractor Pulls (tie)
    
    Peace.
    
    MrT

    
    >   10. Swamp Rat Racing (tie)
    >	    Tractor Pulls (tie)
    
    Yeah, but these guys get the highest ratings on ESPN.  
    
    Maybe the issue should be decided based on the average IQ of the fans 
    in each category...
    
    glenn

    >While NASCAR don't care if they get some dust on the tires.
    >What's the deal on this.
    
    Er, Steven_boy?, the "deal" with them "little bonnets for their 
    tires. (If that ain't effeminate)" aren't meant to protect them
    from dust, they're HEATED, and the reason they do that is so that
    they don't lose time running on slipperies for a lap, that's how
    far they go into detail in F1.  In NASCAR, why bother?, all ya 
    gotta do is steel be in the race with 5 laps to go, Bill France
    radios some backmarker to spin, they immediately flash a full-course
    yellow, and voila!, ye got yer "exciting" 5 lap heat to the wire!
    
    Why bother watching the first 195 laps is my question.
    
    >decide this issue based on average IQ of the fans...
    
    Consider it done: F1 - 137; NASCAR - 100 with beer bellies tractor-
    trailer rigs rotten teef worse grammar only 39% of fandom with H.S.
    degrees and some a the ugliest gals ever seed outside of a state fair
    midway.
    
    MrT

    >To a true racing fan, this is obviously...
    
    What in the HELL do you know about what's obvious to a true racing
    fan?  You're just now starting to learn the shapes and colors and
    the basic terms.  Maybe next year you'll start on technology, tactics,
    and strategy (providing you steer clear of NASCAR and spend more time
    on F1, IMSA, and CART).
    
    This is a free country, Steven_boy, and we don't members-only this
    note.  But you keep going off like this and I'm gonna have to go to
    the moderators and have you locked outta 65 General Motor Sports (MrT 
    Memorial Pit Stop).  Don't make me do it.
    
    MrT

    .188�    This is a free country, Steven_boy, and we don't members-only this
    .188�    note.  But you keep going off like this and I'm gonna have to go to
    .188�    the moderators and have you locked outta 65 General Motor Sports (MrT 
    .188�    Memorial Pit Stop).  Don't make me do it.
    
    	Spoken like a true DICTATOR!  Like that word. :*)
    
    	NASCAR ratings = 1st Place
    
    B.A.

    .186�    degrees and some a the ugliest gals ever seed outside of a state fair
    .186�    midway.
    
    	If this is true, Then you must Been have to the fair lately. Cause they
    sure AIN'T at the races! 
    
    BTW, Are you related to Willie T Ribbs ? Is so, I can understand why
    you don't like NASCAR. I liked they way ole T talked all that junk
    before the race at Bristol. Then ending up in the wall! Way to go T!
    
    B.A.

    >Go ahead T_boner[r], I dare ya.
    
    I beg of you, Steven_boy.  Don't make me use my power.  I find
    censorship to be repugnant, but amateurism in racing is a_awful
    dangerous thing.  This ain't like some football note.  You're 
    wheeling outta control and could bump somebody into the wall and
    someone could git hurt cuz a your recklessness.
    
    You're racing outta your class, Steven_boy, and on a bad set-up.
    
    Don't make me black flag you.
    
    MrT
    

    Stevie, before you go I wanna answer a unanswered question you
    axed: The Portugese telecast on ESPN starts at 1:00 ET on Sunday.
    Tape delay.
    
    MrT

    I say to each there own!!!!! All types of racing these days are very
    complex in their own type of racing. I won't go as far to say that one
    type of driver is more of a driver than the other. They all have to be
    good at it or they wouldn't be where their at!!!!!
     Personally the only time I like to watch any F1 is at the start and if
    you feel that the last five laps of Nascar is the only part worth
    watching. Then thats best for you!!! 
     Bringing up I.Q., come on!!! If you think you can tell someone's I.Q.
    by what type of racing they enjoy, then I question your i.q. Any and
    just about all types of racing takes some smarts, usually and that can
    be questioned in all types of racing, not any particular one!!! 
    It takes fans for racing to be a success. If you don't enjoy Nascar
    then don't say all Nascar fans are stupid, I'm sure F1 has there share
    of pot-bellied, beer drinking fans. I don't recall them seating in any
    three piece suits, when I watched the Indy 500!!!! 
     I'm sure no F1 driver could get in Dale Earnhardt's car and run as
    good as he does and like wise, Dale couldn't get in Prost(sp?) car and
    run as good as he does!! I'm not sure if Prost is good, but I see his
    name alot, so I assume he is!!!
     
    I'm out of here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!         M.J.

    
    Wow! My screen is smokin' like a hunka hunka burnin' tire after that
    one!
    
    Dickster
    

    Uh, M.J.?, the Indy 500 ain't part of the F1 series.  Yet.
    
    And lighten up willya.  I only spiked glenn's set-up pass on the
    intelligence thing, it's not relevant I agree.  Although, if you
    *were* to run demographics on, say, ESPN's viewership for the two,
    I bet...
    
    And direct your note to that dangerous driver Steven_boy willya,
    *he* started it.  I didn't put down NASCAR teal after his started
    spouting with the crapulous commentary.
    
    >RACING IS RACING IS RACING IS RACING
    
    AND SOME RACING IS BETTER THAN OTHER RACING.
    
    MrT

    O.K. We all agree....... We like Racing, maybe not the same type, but
    it's still racing!!!!!!
    
    Hows is A.J. Foyt? I only heard that he was involved in a serious
    accident!!
    
    Indy and F1.... sorry, That shows you how much I know about this type
    of racing!!! I'm still learning, ya'll keep up the good notes and
    eventually I will get them right!!!! What is the difference in these
    two classes??If you don't mind me asking.
    
                                                      M.J.

    Oh well, so Prost's not going to make it this year...Mansell won in
    Estoril, Senna second...which gives Ayrton a handy 18 point advantage for
    the last two races, I think...
    Anyway, I think there ought to be a rule that prevents the changing of
    tires, just as they made with gas-stops. I think it downright
    ridiculous that if the tire-crew bungles it, the fella's  lost his
    previous place in the race quite big. Besides, more durable tires would
    add to the importance of driving skills and make the differences
    between the different teams less apparent, and F1 is in need of both
    things to make the races a bit more enjoyable again...just need to tell
    ya that I just watched yesterday's race because I had a flu and the
    weather was most miserable in this part of Germany, whereas long time
    ago I'd been in front of TV despite the fact that the weather was
    great, I was on vacation and my friends guaranteed stunning beauties on
    the beach...curse Honda, the decline began with their $$$$...
    BUT, just to add to the discussion I followed over the last days in
    here...even though F1 is not as exciting as it used to be long time ago
    (you ought to see my father's video collection...), no way you'd get me
    to watch other type of racing on TV...c'mon, I bet those oval courses
    were designed by some sick mind to torture mankind, not to talk about
    dragster- or mud-"racing"...bigod, that looks like what Kant would call
    "the pure essence of boredom in abstract perfection" or "monotony in
    itself"...
    Fellas, just ask yourself why the likes of Mario Andretti or Emerson
    Fittipaldi still are (or were, dunno if they're still active, for they
    should be nearly as fossilized as Al Unser Sr...) successful in the
    Indy carts although they were too old to be competitive in F1...
    Just some provocative thoughts from...
    ...Paul

    Okay 'Saw, this ones's for you:   Geoff 'Weasel' Bodine won Goody's
    500 at Martinsville.

    	CNN said that AJ broke both legs and was in critical or
    	very serious condition. After surgery, his status was
    	upgraded to satisfactory. Going into surgery, AJ was
    	quoted as saying, "I'll be back."
    
    	Scott

    
    	And where is the DUll-man?
    
    B.A.

    DALE came in second B.A., amazing since his tire went flat, he fell
    back to 22nd and was a lap down.
    
    Its all your fault - you put the 'curse' on him! 8^)
    
    And B.A., remember one thing:
    
        DALE & CHEVY'S RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    .204�    Its all your fault - you put the 'curse' on him! 8^)
    
    	That's right! As long as I do not attend any more races this year,
    he's not going to win! :*)
    
    .204�    back to 22nd and was a lap down.
    
    	That's what you get for cheating on the re-start! 
    
    B.A.

    B.A., face it, Dale is Numero Uno!  Taking pot-shots at Dale isn't
    going to make Ford win.  Its only gonna make Dale triumph.  Look to
    see Dale kick some butt this weekend.

    re-1,
    	Not when he and GM have the whole field covered! Dale is a decent
    driver with a great team. That's the difference. No pot-shots,just
    realality.
    
    B.A.

    Dale?  A *decent* driver?  C'mon B.A., give Dale a bit more credit than
    that.  Just because Dale has a great team it wouldn't mean jack if he
    wasn't able to drive.  Sheesh.....what'll ya say next!  8^)

    Thats why B.A. pulls for Davey boy!!! Get a life B.A. and face the
    facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dale rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                                             M.J.

    B.A.:  Who's Davey?  :^)  hahahaha...thanks, M.J., us Dale fans gotta
    stick together.

    
    You mean Dale Hunter, Wheel? ;-)
    
    Dickster
    

    Dickster:  hahahaha...
    
    I'm talking about the man, Dale EARNHARDT! 8^)  Is there any other Dale
    worth talking about?   Nah, I don't think so!

    .212�    I'm talking about the man, Dale EARNHARDT! 8^)  Is there any other Dale
    .212�    worth talking about?   Nah, I don't think so!

    	Yes! Dale Jarrett! He drives a FORD! other wise known as a
    non-NASCAR affiliated race car. Chevy owns NASCAR! That's why Dull
    gets to win 9 races a year. It's in the NASCAR yearbook.
    
    BTW, Dull's illegal! :*)
    
    B.A.

    How DARE you people come in here, atop poor MrT's resting place, and
    argue whether or not Mr. Dale is the best?  Take my opinion on this,
    for I am a_objective analyst in reviewing Dale's efficacy as a stock
    car pilot: I know racing, grew up hanging around a_oval, and have seed
    some W.C. races.  Dale is GOD (by stock car standards, anyway).
    
    re: Paul
    
    No comment on Nigel's incredibly selfish and stupid move at the start
    of the race?  Prost had the drop on him at the start, and had he gotten
    ahead he coulda nursed his rubber while leaving the McHonda's behind.
    Instead, he had to tear up his tires getting back into the race, only
    to have the thing red flagged just as he was setting up Senna for the
    pass!
    
    You're too right about Ferrari's pit work costing him.  They looked as
    bad as McLaren's boys did early this season.
    
    Goodyear already makes tires that'll go the distance, so it's up to
    JMB to force them to use the hard compounds.  One thing's for sure:
    The 4 Gs they're pulling will drop with the cornering speeds if they're
    riding on the hard stuff.
    
    MrT

    B.A.,
    
    At least NASCAR is smart enough to be owned by Chevy!  Hahaha...
    Is there really any other choice?
    
    Dale is not illegal!  Sheesh, just look at that Sterling Marlin
    move on Bill Elliott - now thats illegal!!!!
    
    And even though Dale Jarrett does drive a ford, I have to concede
    that he can drive.  Now all he has to do is change to a Chevy and
    he's got it made! 8^)
    
    

    .215�    At least NASCAR is smart enough to be owned by Chevy!  Hahaha...
    .215�    Is there really any other choice?
    
    	That makes those FORD victory's even more sweet!
    
    MR-T-Bone....Not invading, just expressing an honest O-pinion of ones
    dislike for an honest to "GOD" cheater! :*)
    
    B.A.

    B.A., 
    
    Sorry in this case I have to agree with MrT:
    
         DALE is *GOD*!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    Like any other Ford fan, you get behind the winning Chevy's and the
    smell of that exhaust warps your brain!  :^) x 1,000!

    .217�    Like any other Ford fan, you get behind the winning Chevy's and the
    .217�    
    	
    	That was 3 races ago, my brain has long been cleared from the
    illegal gas that Dull uses. :*)
    
    B.A.

    The only driver to be caught CHEATING this season year was Martin, who
    drives nothing else but a d*mn FORD!!!!! B.A. look for Dale to win
    atleast 3 more races and walk away with that W.C. Championship!!! All
    done LEGALLY!!!!
                                                  M.J.

    re MrT
    
    Absolutely true, Mansell's absolutely useless as team buddy for Prost,
    hell, if the Nr 1 team pilot is fighting for the championship, I darn
    expect the number 2 pilot to put in some team effort, he's probably
    wise to retire before every top team has kicked him out for being so
    damnably selfish...
    
    For one thing's sure, if you're in the same team as Le Professeur, you
    are Nr 2. Prost has a long history of teammates that tried to measure
    up with him, and none of them ever could (only Lauda did due to
    regularity...). It's amzing to see how the other drivers melt when they
    are really engaged in one-to-one driving against Prost with equal
    chances. The pressure's just too much, and they end in the ditch like
    Senna and Berger have done a couple of times, for no apparent reason!
    
    I don't understand Ferrari for not keeping a team discipline like
    McLaren has done. Berger can't be that bad, at least he showed some
    driving skills before he nearly got himself roasted last year...team
    tactics? Guess so.
    
    As for the 4g's in turns...dunno, do you really think F1 would lose a
    lot of spectacularity with more durable tires? They've always been
    arguing about that before any of the technical changes they
    introduced...look back to when they said "no" to the wing sucking
    effect that catapulted poor Gilles into the eternal racing grounds, or
    when they switched from turbo to air two years ago...the cars still
    kept getting faster or being fast enough.
    
    You know, what I want to see is toe-to-toe racing like in the good old
    days, even if the cars aren't as super-high tech as they are, hell, if
    it only came to technology, what about organizing some Challenger vs
    Columbia orbital races, or F-15 vs Mig-29 oval course blasting? What I
    saw as a kid in Spain, with Lotus vs Ferrari vs Cooper vs Brabham vs
    Matra etc...anyone could win provided he had the skills and a healthy
    dose of guts...
    
    I really feel that a stricter regulation that brings the teams closer
    together would add to the excitement. I'd even start watching F1
    regularly again, and even go to the circuit, which I haven't done in
    ages (Jarama, Spain, 1978...the odd double front-wheeled Tyrells got in
    first and second in the rain...).
    
    ...Paul      

    >what book was it Doug Ross sent you, MrT?
    
    Wail, at first I never dreamed of revealing this cuz a the nature
    of the, er, publication in question here.  But after two solid
    weeks of enduring abuse at his hands I'm talking.  I'm not sure what
    is title or subtitle so I'll just give the whole sentence and let
    you judge for yourselves (I copied the cover to show friends in the
    men's room):
    
    	Carolina Swingers Registry... Best of Carolina Gals and Hunks...
    	200 pages with photos... lots of new ads... clean couples & singles...
        absolutely no pros... PO boxes only... 
    
    MrT     

    .219�    The only driver to be caught CHEATING this season year was Martin, who
    
    	You know good and well he wasn't cheating. He went by NASCAR(GM)
    rules and during the race, NASCAR(GM) changed their mind and decided to
    fine him for a penny-anti "mistake" by a NASCAR(GM) pre-race inspector.
    
    	Time and time again it was proven that no gain was made by the intake
    not having been weldedd on instead of bolted on.
    
    B.A._who's_hates_NASCAR_as_a_organization! 

    He STILL violated the rules!!!!!PERIOD!!!!!!!:-)
    
                                       M.J.

    Yeah!

    re 221:
    Hell, wasn't the guy alleging he wanted the "book" back because his wife
    had given it to him as a present? This provides me with an unbelievable
    insight into the open-mindedness existent in the marital life of U.S.
    couples! No wonder the guy was so keen on getting it back...
    Listen, MrT, if you read something concerning a real Southern lady
    under 30 closely resembling Kim Basinger...willya think of an European
    buddy who's only been to N.Y. and Califorina, and whose horizons could
    therefore be widely broadened?

    .199�    Hows is A.J. Foyt? I only heard that he was involved in a serious
    .199�    accident!!

    	O.K. I give up! What happened to A.J.? Which corner worker did he
    hit? or was it which pylon did he run over? I been trying to tell you
    guys that those cars are coffins! I had heard that A.J. broke all kinds
    of things in his body. Must have been a real bad accident to do all
    that. On a more serious note, I hope A.J. is O.K. I do not like to see
    any driver get seriously injured. C'mon back A.J.!
    
    	As for those cars....They suck as much as Dull does! :*)
    
    Having fun...
    
    B.A.

    What happened to A.J.?  You mean you don't know???????
    
    Some driver in a Ford ran him down!!!!!!!  And the car
    was illegal too! ;^)
    
    

    .227�    Some driver in a Ford ran him down!!!!!!!  And the car
    .227�    was illegal too! ;^)
    
    	Oh, If that's the case, then more power to the FORDS! :*)
    
    B.A.

After seeing the accident on an ESPN replay while home sick on Wednesday
I hardly think it's a joking matter.

Foyt ended up way off the track in some trees, and was airlifted to
the hospital.

Not the way I'd want to end my sporting endeavor on any given day.....

'Saw

    .226�    that. On a more serious note, I hope A.J. is O.K. I do not like to see
    .226�    any driver get seriously injured. C'mon back A.J.!
    
    	Try this...
    
    B.A.

    A.J. is going to be okay, and will get back into the drivers seat
    like the pro that he is.

    re-1,
    
    	I am truely glad for him.
    
    B.A.

    Umm, Umm,

    	It's been three weeks since your "God" has won a race! Looks like a
    good old fashion race till the end for the championship! Go Fords!

    On a sad note...Rob Moroso was killed in an car accident last night
    outside his home near Moresville,N.C. He was said to be doing around 70
    mph, when he lost on control of his around a curve striking another
    automobile killing that driver also.  Moroso was 22. R.I.P.

    B.A.

    A.J. should turn in his Nomex for good.  He's too damned old to 
    be driving CART.  Did you notice that he went across a large sand
    pit without getting his car sideways (and therefore stopped)?  His
    reflex time is gone, a bad thing in car racing.  
    
    Too bad about Moroso.  Wasn't he a_up and comer in NASCAR?  You'd
    think he'd a got the urge to speed outta his right foot after racing.
    
    >your God hasn't won...
    
    God rests on Sunday, and no doubt Dale's been told by Bill France Jr.
    to let somebody else win to so as to tighten things up a bit.
    
    Congrats to Alain, who smoked the field yesterday in Jerez.  The
    Drivers' is back to a 9 point spread now with only Suzuka and Adelaide
    left.  Suzuka should favor the Ferrari's handling, where Adelaide is
    a more turn and surge type course better for McHonda.  Oh please let
    Senna have just one more DNF at Suzuka so that we cain have a showdown
    in Oz for it all.
    
    MrT

    .234�    think he'd a got the urge to speed outta his right foot after racing.
    
    	Newspaper said hewas doing 100 then slowed to 70 before hitting the
    on-coming car. His girlfriend is in critical condidtion also.
    
    .234�    God rests on Sunday, and no doubt Dale's been told by Bill France Jr.
    .234�    to let somebody else win to so as to tighten things up a bit.
    
    	"LET" ?  Right! Mark passed Dull with such ease it almost seems to
    be the truth. But Dull made a great excuse, His tires were bad! Ha!
    What a cop-out!
    
    	Tighten things up a bit? 16 points is not tight enough? O.K. if you
    think so...BTW, you're the one who said Dull is "god"! remember?
    
    later dude!
    
    B.A.
    

    B.A.,  Mark Martin didn't win the Tyson/Holly Farms 400 -- his crew
    did!!!!  Robin Pemberton deserves to be in first place.
    
    Sorry to hear about Moroso, saw an interview with him not too long
    ago and he seemed to be wise for his years.

    >No doubt McHonda has been told to cool it and let somebody else win.
    >Just to tighten things up, y'know.
    
    It's ignorant crapulous commentary like this, Gaulke_boy, that makes
    me so very sad and sympathetic to you trying to fly in the ever-so-
    complex high-flying world of motor sport WHEN YOU AIN'T EVEN LEARNED
    TO WALK YET YOU BONEHAID !!
    
    To wit: If Jean-Marie Balestre had wanted to "tighten things up just
    a bit" then he woulda taken action against all the blocking and bumping
    that has beset poor Alain the past few races.  He's always let the boys
    be boys except for the time I-Hear-A-Taunt went too far with the
    dangerous/cheaty driving last year.  Also, how many fake yellows you 
    seed in F1?  [none]
    
    But the stupidest part about your conspiracy theory is that the broken
    cooling system seal was real with real steam seen by real people like
    me but apparently not seen by would-be race fans like you and obviously
    McHonda either missed it or saw it but decided with less than 20 laps 
    to go that and a potential World Championship on the line they may as
    well as make a run for it (fixing a radiator woulda taken so much time
    as to've taken them  outta de points in the race anyways).
    
    Lesson taught.
    
    MrT

    .237�    did!!!!  Robin Pemberton deserves to be in first place.
    
    	He is! In the mechanic of the year awards race. Just thought I'd
    let you know. :*)
    
    	Kirk is second!
    
    B.A.

    I *knew* that B.A., but thanks for the info!
    
    Oh, and by the way......
    
         I got a DISH! hahahahaha.......

    .240�    Oh, and by the way......
    .240�         I got a DISH! hahahahaha.......
    
    	Sure, go ahead and make me feel bad! we're going to get ESPN for
    that race and the next one on ESPN at the Rock! Then maybe I can laugh
    at them.
    
    B.A.

    B.A.,
    
    Can you explain to me what the hell Davey Allison was doing out there?
    I mean, the object is to make the car go around the track, not just
    to make the car go around in spins!!! ;^)

    re-1,
    
    	He and Darrell are talking about switching sponsors! That's the
    only thing I can figure out! That new wife of his must really be
    messing with his cycle-time...SPINS.
    
    	He'll be back in form this week. Charlotte has always been good to
    him. Plus, he'd better start doing better if he wants to keep his
    Texaco Havoline Star Thunderbird sposorship going.
    
    B.A.

    Sure B.A., blame it on a woman...I thought for sure you'd be telling
    me it was Dale's doing.  ;-)

    .244�    Sure B.A., blame it on a woman...I thought for sure you'd be telling
    .244�    me it was Dale's doing.  ;-)
    
    	What's the difference? They're both sissy's! :*)
    
    B.A.

    Admit it B.A.................Davey is a PU**Y who THINKS he can drive!!
     :-):-)
    
                                                        M.J.

    B.A.,
    
    Thanks so much for calling me a sissy!  I can't call you what I
    want to in here. ;-)
    
    M.J.,
    
    You said it all in a simple sentence!

Anyone wanna talk about REAL motorsports? 8^)

I've kind of lost track, and was wondering if anyone knew who won
or who's ahead in the 500CC motorcycle championship.  I know Lawson,
the defending champ had a bad season, but Wayne Rainey (whom I've
always thought of as the heir apparent) was doing well....

Anyone know?

thanks,
'Saw

    	So here I am, watching the Grand Prix, from the camera
    	in Prost's car. I says to myself, "Self, either he's
    	got the fastest right hand in the world, or he's not
    	shifting this here car." No sooner was the thought in
    	my mind and the announcer explained the butterfly
    	switches that shifted the tranny.
    
    	I knew they had a semi-auto tranny, but that was the
    	first time I really saw how nice it was for the driver.
    
    	Scott

    .247�    Thanks so much for calling me a sissy!  I can't call you what I
    
    	Didn't mean to imply that "you" are a sissy, just Dull and Davey's
    wife...Sorry!
    
    M.J. When will you learn? You can't put a winner in a winner's circle
    till he has won! Till Dull wins the Championship, he's just another
    dirt-bag to bash against! Then,as Rod puts it, "IF" he's actually does
    win this cotton-pickin thing, then he will be a great driver only in
    your book, not mine!
    
    B.A.

    I think B.A. maybe beginning to see the light!! There is still hope for
    you after all!!!!:-):-)
    
                                                     M.J.

   Saw some race clips yesterday at a sports bar

   Very noisy, but I thought they said the Milwaukee Mile ??????

   Anyway, they had cameras mounted on certain cars.

   Al Unser Jr. got bumped, and the camera on his car shows first  cars in
   front , he's spinning to the left. You see cars in front, moving to his
   right, you see infield passing by, all of a sudden you see a whole
   shitload of vehicles bearing down on him, then the wall, then cars in
   front of him again , and he's still in the race. Did a complete 360�
   anad went on to win the race. Totally awesome. Great idea with the
   cameras, plus they had sound, too. Lot of other good clips, as well,;
   but I thought that one was the best.

   Mike JN

    re: Gaulke_boy
    
    >just razzing you.
    
    Hey buddy, after that off-line trick you and a certain questionable
    individual who shall go unnamed but whose initials go something like
    J.E.F.F. R.I.G.G.E.N. pulled on poor MrT I have no further patience
    for you motoring ignorance.  It's gloves off from here on buddy, no
    free race-watching lessons.
    
    re: F1
    
    Mansell signs 2 year deal with Williams at $3-4 m per year.  Good move,
    Nige, for you faux retirement relieves you of the embarrassment at what
    Alain did to you this year.  On the downside, this cuts off a_option
    for Alain should he decide to leave Ferrari.
    
    Now Prost is down only 9 points, which makes Ferrari's very very very
    shabby treatment of his championship run at Estoril all the worse, not
    to mention the immature race-costing chop job that "wheel spinning" 
    loser Mansell pulled at the start there.
    
    Oh wail, maybe Senna will blow a_engine at Honda's privately owned home
    course setting up a tie and a RUN FOR THE GOLD at Oz.
    
    MrT

    
    A DNF from Senna in Japan would not put Prost in a tie.  He has 11
    scores now and will start dropping points with his next in the points
    finish.  I think he has a 5th so he would have to drop 2 points which
    would net him 7 if he wins.  That would leave him 2 behind going to
    Australia.
    

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    Finally (!), you may be interested in the following regarding the
    premutations of Senna's and Prost's championship chances :
    
    NOTES:  In the Driver's Championship, each driver may only score in 11
    rounds and must, therefore, start dropping scores thereafter. At present,
    this only affects Senna and Prost.
    
            The situation for the championship is that the maximum points
    Prost can score is 13 points (he must drop his two worst scores, which are
    2 points in Canada and 3 in Brazil). This would make his maximum total 82. 
    Senna has scored 78 points but has also scored in 11 rounds - his worst 
    scores are 4 points for 3rd places in Brazil, France and the UK.
    Therefore, it follows that Senna needs a win in either of the last two
    rounds to clinch the title regardless of what Prost scores (a win would
    give him 78 + 9 - 4 = 83 which is more than Prost could score).
    
            The other permutations are quite interesting. If neither driver
    wins one of the two remaining races, Senna wins the championship as
    Prost could only increase his current 69 points by 7 (12 - 5) = 76.
    If Prost were to win in Japan with Senna 2nd, Prost would have 76 points
    (69 + 9 - 2) while Senna would have 80 (78 + 6 - 4). If Senna does not
    either win or finish 2nd he will not increase his score. Prost needs
    to win at least one of the two races, therefore, while Senna just needs
    to keep Prost out of the winner's circle!
    
    
    Colin[EOB]
    
    
    

    
    	Errrrrk! Spin in turn one! It's Dull Earnhardt-up! He's lost his
    tires! The crew forget to put the lug-nuts on! What a great team!
    
    	Looks like ANOTHER FORD WIN! FOUR in a row! Mark Martin has a 49
    point lead with 3 races remaining.
    
    B.A.

    I gotta ?????? pertaining to drag racing.
    
    Who was the Top Fuel driver who was paralyzed from the chest down
    after an accident earlier this year????
    
    Was it Darryl Gwyn????If so, has he recovered enough to drive Top
    Fuel again.  
    
    The reason I ask is I was watching TNN the other night and they
    were showing the Arizona Nationals and Gwynn was beatint the tar
    out of everybody and I was wondering if these were ancient films
    or if he's back on the circuit?????
    
    Thanks
    

    .261�    Was it Darryl Gwyn????If so, has he recovered enough to drive Top
    
    	Yes, He's trying to recover enough to get back into a dragster.
    
    .261�    or if he's back on the circuit?????
    
    	Not yet...
    
    B.A.

>    < Note 65.262 by RAVEN1::B_ADAMS "Rocky Horror is on his way!" >
>                                    -< Yep >-
>
>    .261�    Was it Darryl Gwyn????If so, has he recovered enough to drive Top
>    
>    	Yes, He's trying to recover enough to get back into a dragster.
>    
>    .261�    or if he's back on the circuit?????
>    
>    	Not yet...
>    
>    B.A.

    Thanks for the Info.  Does Tnn normally show 4-5 month old drag
    racing shows?????????
    
    Thanks
    

    .263�    Thanks for the Info.  Does Tnn normally show 4-5 month old drag
    
    	Not normally..But I have seen some strange things lately!
    
    B.A.

    Gwynne is actually going to try and come back?  When I was at Maple
    Grove Raceway earlier this year I could have sworn they said he
    wouldn't be able to.  If he does though, all the more power to him!

    
    Was it Gwynne or Gwynne's car?
    
    They have been campaigning the car with another driver.
    
    Bob V.
    

    On the tube they were saying that Gwynne was DRIVING!!!
    
    That's what got my mind to wondering.  Damn car was turning 5.04
    seconds consistently, too!!!
    
    thanks
    

    Hey B.A.:
    
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha......the jinx is broken!
    
    Go DALE!!!!!!!

    .268�    Hey B.A.:
    .268�    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha......the jinx is broken!
    .268�    Go DALE!!!!!!!
    
    	I know it! Sh*t, F**k, and Sh*t again! Oh, well, it's time to start
    another one! :*)
    
    One race to go...six point lead isn't much! Going to be a great race!
    
    B.A.
    

    When Robin Pemberton changed tires:
    
    STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!!!
    
    Six points may not be a lot, but its better than six down!  And
    Dale not only beat your jinx, he beat the Phoenix jinx too!
    
    The next (and last) race is gonna a nailbiter.
    
    

    .271�    When Robin Pemberton changed tires:
    .271�    STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!!!
    
    	I agree! Not a good move...but hey nobody is perfect!
    
    	As for the jinx, the new just started! Hopefully! :*)
    
    On to Hotlanta!
    
    B.A.

    B.A.........................I TOLD YOU, MARTIN WOULD LOSE THE LEAD!!!!
    It's not going to be close in Atlanta. Just go ahead and admit
    it...Dale will be the Champion!!!!!!!!!! I love it.... Chevy's
    forever!!
    
    Martin said he needed to change tires cause he was real lose. We all
    know he Choked, like all ford fans do!!!!!!!!!! :-)
    
                                               M.J.

    .273�    it...Dale will be the Champion!!!!!!!!!! I love it.... Chevy's
    .273�    forever!!
    
    	Not yet and possible NEVER!
    
    .273�    know he Choked, like all ford fans do!!!!!!!!!! :-)
    
    	Yeah! Just like Dull did at Charlotte TWICE!!! 
    B.A.

    Charlotte has never been Dale's track for the last two years he has had
    bad finishes there, so how can you say he choked???? Martin  if he were
    a real driver he would have taken it to Dale, but no he stroked and
    stroked and now he is gonna stroke his as* out of a Championship. Leave
    it to those Ford fans to cough of the "BIG" one!!!!!! :-) :-)
    
                                                    M.J.
    
                            

    Congrat's to Lil' Al on his fine performance.
    
    Congrat's to Dalel for his fine performance and for being such a 
    genius.
    
    As for the *other* champ, the little snake who slithered out of the 
    Brazilian jungle... UGH.
    
    MrT

    .275�    Charlotte has never been Dale's track for the last two years he has had
    
    	How can you say NEVER? You use to say that was Dull's track TILL
    two years ago...DUll has been choking ever since!
    
    .275�    a real driver he would have taken it to Dale, but no he stroked and
    .275�    stroked and now he is gonna stroke his as* out of a Championship. Leave
    
    	Sure...Engine problem really is stroking isn't it? Ask Dull about
    Rockingham...Stroking the GM way!
    
    B.A.

    It was funny how Martin seem to have speed when Dale would gain some on
    him, but when Dale died Martin to died. Can't buy it, B.A.!!:-)
    
    I have Never said CMS was Dale's track, I recall saying it was his home
    track, but certainly not his favorite!! He said himself that he hasn't
    ran particular well there.
    
    Dale don't choke...He well showed that sunday, whereas your ford
    boy..........................well we all know what happened, Huh?? :-)
    
    
                                                       M.J.

    Face it, B.A., Dale Earnhardt is God.  Why, if he were here with me 
    right now why... I'd... HAIL I'd drop to my knees and pull off his
    sneakers and suck this main's gnarly toes cuz he cain plain flat-out
    DRIVE.  
    
    He's the best, and Martin ain't nuthin' but the "best" a the rest.
    
    MrT

    .279�    Face it, B.A., Dale Earnhardt is God.  Why, if he were here with me 
    
    	Then your worshiping the wrong dude!  I bet you'd drop on your
    knee's for just about anybody! :*) Lot's of :*)'s...
    
    	Dull is good, but that's it..Richard Childress has a great team to
    help him along.
    
    B.A.

    B.A. like usual you find another excuse!!! :-)
    
    Its a racing TEAM, that usually means more than one person. You have a
    GREAT driver in Earnhardt, and you have a GREAT crew with R. Childress
    leading the way!!! :-) :-)
    
    Earnhardt picks up the Winston Cup Championship this sunday!!!
    
                                                        M.J.

    Congrats to Morgan Shepard for winning the Atlanta Journal 500.
    
    Dale finishes third and wins his fourth Winston Cup title.!!!!!
    
    R.I.P. to Mike Rich.  Maybe NASCAR will do something to prevent
    this from happening again.

    
    	Congrat's to you Dull fans..He did a fine job yesterday and all
    season!
    
    R.I.P. Mike Rich!
    
    B.A.