Conference 7.286::sports_90

    Swindell is better than Clemens.
    
    Mark.

    Hey Lufay, cut it out.  You know what JoJ said about limited disc
    space.

    
    Mac chill out will ya. You haven't even given folks the time to 
    establish themselves in here yet and your coming down on them.
    How do you know that everyone is going to jump on Mark? Maybe
    people will grow up?
    
    hahahahaaa  I doubt that.  where's the donk's note?  ;^)
    
    mike

    Could anyone tell me what Indian trades have been made?
    I know that Carter's gone, but I would like to know the
    prospects for the starting lineup this year.
    
    Bill

    
    Indians signed Tom Brookens    - stiff.
    Indians signed Candy Maldonado - stiff
    Indians signed Keith Hernandez - should help, leadership is great
                                     but only if the team is in the
                                     running.
    Indians traded Dave Clark to Chicago for Mitch Webster
    Indians traded Joe Carter to San Diego for Sandy Alomar Jr, Carlos
            Baerga and Chris James - Baerga may be ready to start at
                                     3b this year which would make
                                     Brook Jacoby expendable.  I believe
                                     the Indians have had many inquiries
                                     about Brook.
     
    Latest rumor is Andy Allanson to Atlanta for Jeff Blauser.  There
    may be additional names on either side.  Clearly Atlanta is more
    interested in Allanson than Gedman.  Allanson showed much promise
    in 1988 (all-star appearance) but tailed badly last year...  With
    Alomar, he won't get much playing time.  Skinner will be the backup.
    Laugh if you want, but Skinner may be one of the best defensive 
    catchers in the game... he is excellent at throwing out runners.

    re .5, Allanson for Blauser rumor:
    
    Is this still a possibility, given that the Braves just traded for
    Ernie Whitt?
    
    
    py  

    
    re: .6
    
    I realized that the Braves just got Whitt after I finished the
    note.  Its probably not a possibility anymore.  I would have
    liked to have seen Blauser in an Indians uniform.
    

    So what's the bottom line?  Can the tribe score 4+ runs a game?
    
    How does the pitching look?  Hopefully Swindell will have his arm 
    back.  
    
    Bill

Just off the wire:

	Indians trade Joe Carter to Boston for Boggs and Clemons.

	Clemons and Swindell have rivalry in the club house, on the
	field, and in the suburbs.  Clemons claims supremacy because
	of 20 Ks in HoF, and more groundskeepers berated.

	Boggs sets new record for number of women picked up downtown
	after a game, both with and without underwear.

	Conflict sparks the rest of the Indians, who win pennant,
	and anniilate the Atlanta Braves in the Series...

You heard it here first....

Chainsaw

PS  If anyone wants some of my special "tea", let me know ;^)

    
    Hey 'Saw, is that "tea" served in a traditional Christmas Bowl or
    a pipe Bowl?

It's a special blend...really, you drink it in a cup..

Then, after you drink it you can talk with all these really neat
people.  Like this morning Jimi Hendrix and I wrote some new
tunes.  He's been giving me guitar lessons you know...(we lefties have
to stick together)....

HTH,
Chainsaw

    
    The Cleveland Indians have agreed to terms with.....
    
    		Cory Snyder
    
    			Tom Candiotti
    
    				Greg Swindell
    	
    		on one year contracts...
    
    WaHooooooo!
    

Gee, if RCASO isn't around any more, how are we gonna have 
an official Swindell-Clemens rivalry????

Enquiring minds you know...

    Frank,
    
    if the lock out continues, you won't have to worry bout no Sindell
    Climeisnn rivalry note!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    JDed

    
    	Well, Well, Well
    
    		Who has the best exhibition record to date.....
    
    
    		The Indians!
    
    	WaHooooo!
    

JUST WEIGHT TIL THEY PLAY THE REDSOX WITH ROGR CLEMONS WHO  IS
SO GUD HE SHAS 2 CY YOUGNS AND TWNETY K IN HOF AND IS NOT ONE
MAN TO BLAM AND DON FORGET THE RED SOCKS WILL GO TO THE WOLRD
SEREES THISS YEAR ANE WIN IT ALL AND DONT' FORGET THAT WHEN
WE ME AND ROBER CLMENS BEAT CLEAVELAND ALL SEESON LONG EVNEN THOW
WE DON HAVE JIM RICE NO MORE BECUZ HE IS NOT TOO BLAM FOR BEING
AND OLD STIFF WITH NOW HIM ROGER WEARING HIS NUBMER 14 AND NO 21
I DUNNO Y ROGER IS DUEING T HIS BUTT I THIN HE NO SOMETHIN WE DON'
KNOW  AND RMEMBER IF YOU WANT MEN COUNT ME OUT PAL CAUZE I DO'NT
WHERE NO DRESS AND NEETHER DOEZ ROGER CLOMEONS WHO IS BETTERR THEN
SWINDELL ANYWAY BECAUWE BY THE ALSTAR BRAKE SWINDEL WIL BE
HURT AND NO INT HE RUNNIGN ANY MORE AND HE WILL BE TOO BLAM!!!! PAL
HE WILL BE TWO BLAM AND ROGER WILL WIN 20 GAMES AGAIN AND BE
IN THE HOF AND WIN THE SY YOUNG AWARDS SO DON'T TEL ME ABOUT CLEAVELAND
PAL BECAUSE THER ED SOX ARE BETTER AND EVEN T HOUGH I DON LIKE
CHAINSWA HE IS SMART BECAUSE HE THINGS THE RED SOX ARE BETER THAN
THE INDIANANS WITH WOR WITHOTU SWINDELL BECUZ HE IS NO IN THE
HALL FO FAM AND ROGER IS AND TINI EASYONE IS NO TO BLAM PAL AND
THE JETS WILL WIN BECAUE THEY DN'T HAVE ROGUR CLEMSON TO HELP THEM
WIN IT ALL EITHER PAL AND MIKE GREENWALL AND WADE BIGGS OUR GONNA
HELP THE RED SOX TO WIN WITH ROGER CLEMSON ON THE MOND AND TONA
PINYATA BEHIND THE PLAEAT......

    oops... "path tyo network node lost"...
    
    What I said was," The Cleveland Indians show impeccable taste.
    
    After all, their AAA team is in Colorado Springs."
    
    ...mike the Aggie
    

    
    How about those 2 exhibition games last weekend..  I think they scored
    18 and 16 runs, or something like that.  
    
    Let's hope they keep hitting, if they do, with their pitching, they're 
    gonna make a serious run at the AL lEAST.  
    
    /Jeff

    	I think the winners of the Grapefruit League Championship (GLC)
    get a free continental breakfast at the Ramada Inn of their choice.
    
    				/Don

    Hey 'Saw, you forgot RCASO's favorite word---"mite"
    			Rich
    

    
    	Swindell got hammered yesterday...12 runs in 2 innings.
    
    				Blam!
    
    	WoooHoooo!

    SWINDELL ISS NO T TWO BLAM!!!11
    

    
    
    The 1-2 starting pitching combo of the iceMEN (ADRL)...
    
    
                  IP    H   BB   ER   ERA   RATIO
    Swindell     1.2    9    3   11  59.40  64.80
    Saberhagen   5.0   12    2    5   9.00  25.20
                 6.2   21    5   16  21.60  35.10
    
    I hope this is not a sign of times ahead.
    
    On the bright side...
    
    JooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooEY went DEEP!

    .24
    
    Get a real picthing staff :-) Nobody in NNRB is going to
    even come close to Roger Clemens, Mike Moore, Tom Glavine,
    Ben McDonald, Mike Harkey and Jack McDowell.  Ouch, it hurts
    just to type it in... too hot.
    
    Tokyo Giants Mgmt

    re -.2
    
    Yawn.
    
    Clemens - Legit starter, but will the Sox get him as many runs as
    in the past ? Will they include is stats against the phamtom prison
    teams ? :-)
    
    Moore - Good pitcher.
    
    Glavine - One good year - that's all. And he's a Brave.
    McDonald - hasn't done jacks--t yet .....
    Harkey - I like him, but he was hyped LAST year - what was his numbers?
    Jack McDowell - WHO ???????
    
    Your pitching staff has two aces, after that it could look an aweful
    lot like Charlie Brown .... shoes here, shirt there, another blast
    into the upper deck ....
    
    Oh yeah, show us that "Molester's Row" batting order of yours .....:-)
    
    Hope this helps,
    
    Doc
    
    p.s. Jooooooooooooooooooeeey WHO ??????? 
    
    Can you say "Joe Charbaneux (sp)" ???

    Doc,
    
    Jack McDowell led Stanford to the '87 college world series
    championship, was drafted early in the first round by the 
    White Sox, came into the league and was outstanding winning
    all of his decisions and posting an ERA under 2.  The ChiSox
    tried to change his motion, which ended up aggravating a hip injury
    so they sent him to Vancouver which is arguably the worst place
    to play baseball in the world.  Everyone who has been on the
    ChiSox AA team has had the desire to be traded, promoted, or put
    out of their misery.  McDowell was given a shot in spring training
    and has won the job as the fourth starter.  On talent alone, he's
    their ace.  With experience and good health he's a good dark horse
    candidate for rookie of the year.  The White Sox aren't that bad of a 
    team anymore.  
    
    I'll leave all of your other comments alone.  All I can say is that
    all of my starters will get a chance to pitch.  Your boy, Ken Hill,
    is the Cards 'sixth' starter... 
    
    As for my hitters, I have faith in my ability to rate players and 
    Olerud and Ventura are going to have outstanding seasons.  Mitchell,
    Bass, Surhoff, Whitaker... Don't worry my hitting will hold its own.

    
    DrPuny_human... do you know what happened to Joe Charbonneau?
    Or are you just spouting off at the mouth again?
    

    Uh, I don't... what happened to Joltin' Joe?

    Don't worry Walt, he turned into a Gronowski ......

    BTW, Paul The Girly_mon, when are you going to enter a substantive
    note ?
    
    
    Fack Watch : Day 102 and counting .....

    
    Walt, I figured DrPuny_Human knew what happened to him, since he 
    was mouthing off about him.  You can't fault a guy about getting
    a career ending injury - which is what happened to Joe.  Major
    back problems.
    
    Maybe that's what DrPuny_Human will come up with on before April
    19th... some kind of career ending injury excuse...
    
    He'll need all the help he can get at 5'5" to even get a shot off
    in the 1-on-1 game. 

    Paul MOAN-owski Fack watch :
    
    Day 103 and counting .....
    
    
    BTW, Walt, you noticed how Paula couldn't give you an answer ? Probably
    because he didn't want to admit that Joltin' Joe had one good year,
    then the pitchers caught up with him - BEFORE any injuries occured.
    
    Just like Joooooooosephine Bell will .....

    i'll stay out of this...

Charbonneau turned up as an extra in 'Major League'. Have to see
if I can find him when it comes to HBO this weekend...

	Jim M

    
    DrPuny_Human wants facks...
    
    Fack!
     
               AVG  TAB  OAB   H   R  RBI  OP  OB%   SAC  BB
    Brooks    .076   15   13   1   2   3    6  20.0   0    2
  
    

    Gronowski Fact watch :
    
    Day 104 and counting .....

    
    Swindell is better than Clemens....

    
    Pre-season prediction show Sandy Alomar Jr as one of the favorites for 
    rookie of the year.  Let's hope he can live up to his billing!  Of
    course, just about anything is better than Andy (no-offense) Allanson. 
    
    Sure are a lot of new faces on this years tribe!  
    
    /Jeff

    re .38
    
    SWINDEL IS NO BETRE THAN CLEMTS ! ROG HAS TOO SI YUNGS AND THAT
    TO MORE THAN SWINDEL HAS !
    
    PLAY AND SIPLE CLEMTS IS THE BEST !
    
    ROGS IS GODD! SEW THERE !!!!!!!!

    
    Sorry DrPuny_Human...  don't pretend being someone you're not.
    RCaso had about 2X the sports knowledge you do.
    
    
    Jeff, Alomar hit 2 HRs yesterday... 

>    In fack, the reason I was selected NoTY '89 is for being Johnny-on-the-spot
    
    T, I didn't know this was offical ;-)
    
    You sure do have a way with words ;-)

    
    Its official, MrT, SPORTS noter of the year...
    
    He spanked DrDirtBrain around!

    
    Tribe was up something like 2-0 when the game got called last night due 
    to snow.  
    
    Snyder put one out.  
    
    Guess they start from scratch again this afternoon.  
    
    /Jeff
    

    
    
    Snyder was 2-2 with a 2b and HR... Tribe was up 2-1.
    They try again today in NY.  Is it in on WPIX?  Yankee fans
    out there... what radio station carries yankees games?
    

    re Paul G:
    
    WABC (I think it's 770 AM) is the Yankees' flagship station.
    If that doesn't come in, keep an eye on the Yankees' notesfile
    (DSSDEV::YANKEE) in case someone in there is giving updates.
    
    
    py                            

    How low can you go :
    
    Mr T trying to steal Metz NoTY title.
    
    Porn-owski running with Celtic fans (is that your next bandwagon ?),
    and MrT to gain self-respect.
    
    MrT 'inventing' a 'spanking' of yours truly ....
    
    AHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAA !!!!
    
    SPORTSnoters, we live in desparate times ....

T you were never declared NOTY for '89...

I actaully usurped the title for '89 since the throne was vacant and lay
unclaimed for the specified period of time....

Still the NOTY....


  Metz

    
    Indians lose opener 6-4 after two snow-outs.
    
    Snyder hit a 2 run HR... his second in two days, the previous
    one came in the cancelled game on Wednesday in Cleveland.
    

       Hey T, point us to the note in the old file that declared you
    winner.
                                        Denny

    
    Reguarding the snow game in Cleveland the other day....
    	You guys keep saying that Snyder had a HR in the game...???
    Sorry, but he didn't, at least what I saw of the game....
    	What did happen...Alomar threw out a guy trying to steal 2nd
    when Candiotti slow picked...Alomar had the perfect throw.  Later,
    New York hit a ball in the outfield...Snyder picked it up and
    threw a strike to home plate to tag the runner out.  Great Plays!
    Then, the game was called when the Yanks came out onto the field.
    	Now, did they try to restart the game after the first call???
    I don't think so...
    
    In yesterdays game...an error by Brown caused the loss!  Great...
    
    WaHoo!
    

    
    I listened to the game.  Snyder hit a solo HR to make the score 2-1.
    
    Yes, they restarted the game after it was stopped... they waited
    50 minutes and restarted in the snow.

    
    	Paul,
    
    		Well, I missed it then.  When the game was cancelled,
    	I switched to the Cavs.  I kept going back to ESPN but the
    	astros were on...  Snyder is looking real good.  I read something
    	about him the other day about him going back to basics at the
    	plate and it looks like it has helped.  Tell me this...Have
    	they moved Cory to center field???  That throw he made the other
    	day, I swear he came from Center field.  
    
    		When the heck is Swindell going to pitch...
    
    				WILD THANG!
    
    	Yea, I watch the "Major League" again...it still puts shivers
    	on my skin...
    
    		WaHoo!
    

    
    
    Snyder is playing RF.  Maybe he had to got to the RC to chase down a
    ball.
    
    I'm sure they don't want Swindell pitching in the 30 degree weather
    with the injury he had last year.  My guess is he'll pitch tomorrow
    if the weather is okay.

    When does Cleveland play the Red Sox?  Hal, want to make a bet for braggin'
    rights that Snyder doesn't put the ball into fair territory when/if he
    bats against Clemens?
    
    					Steve

ROGER CLEMSON BEET CLEVELEND NO PROBLEM CORY SNIEDER NO MAN IS A GIRLY
MON CAUSE I SAW HIM PLAY IN NEW BRITAIN NO CLOVE NO BAT NO NOTHIN
BUT PRETTY GIRLY MON HAIR AND ROGER BLEMSON WILL PITCH HIM NOTHING
THAT HE CAN  HIT FIAR GO STEVE WIN YOR BETT NO PROBLEM AND SWINDELL
THEY ARE SAVYING UNTIL AFTER HTE ALL STARR BREAAK BECAUS MABEE HE
CANN PLAY FOR THEM AT THE ENDED OF THE SEAONS INSTAEAD OF STARTING
EARLEE AND NOT BEGHING HEALTHY IN THE BREAK TIME BUTY HAVE ARM
INJURED NO CLEMOSN IS MUCH BETER AT PTICH THAN SWINDELLLL HAVE TWENTY
CY YOUNGS AND TWO STRIKEOUT GAME IN HOF NO PROBLEM SIWEND NOT GUD
AS CLEMSON WIILL WIN AND CHANISAW PAL STOP TALKING BAD AOBU LEE SMITH
LEE SMITH COULD KNOWCK YOU ON YOUR BUTT AND IS A BIGER MAN THA YOU
PAL AND HE IS THE BEST PITCHER THE SOCKS CAN HAVE IN LATEE ININGS
AND WILL SAVE AT LEEST THIRTY FIVE THISE YEAR SO THERE PAL NO BLAM
LEE SMITH!!!!!!

    
    	Steve,
    		Sure, no problem...what do we bet on???
    
    			HAL
    

    
    As much as I like Snyder... the man has serious trouble at the plate
    against Clemens.  Maybe Hrniak's work will help him out... I don't
    know.

    
    
    Top 3... Tribe 0  White Sox 0...  Farrell v.s. McDowell
    
    Now, who do I root for... I've got Farrell in NNRB and McDowell in
    ADRL.... and numerous Injun hitters in both leagues....  ARGH!
    

    Root for McDowell.  I've got him too.
    
    Dan

    
    Top 5...  Indians 1  White Sox 1.  CJames - HR.

    
    Does anyone know what the story is with Jerry Browne?
    
    Baerga and Brookens have played 2b for the past 3 games.  I don't
    think Mac is dumb enough to move Browne to the bench, so Browne 
    must be injured...

    
    They already have land for a new stadium.  Not sure what the hold up
    is.
    

    Toxic waste removal ?

    I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but the Browns
    own Cleveland Stadium, not the city.
    
    Or so I've read.
    
    John

Do they have beach balls there?

    
    Currently a sin-tax ballot issue is being worked up to fund the new 
    stadium project.  Hopefully it will pass.  The proposal is for an
    outdoor baseball-only stadium, with possibly an attached indoor stadium
    (great! bring the Cavs back to downtown Cleveland).  The Browns will 
    continue to use Municiple Stadium, since Art likes the seating
    capability, and owns it.  
    
    The baseball stadium will not have a roof, and should seat about 40-50K
    Sure would silence alot of the player complaints about the field
    conditions in Cleveland.  
    
    /Jeff  
    

    
    Jeff... the Cavs are moving back to downtown.  The people in Akron
    aren't too happy, and the Coliseum is going to waste away (means
    concerts and an NHL franchaise if things go as planned).

    
    > Do they have beach balls there?
    
    Of course they do.  It's near the ocean.
    
    -Oil Can Boyd
    

    
    	What a game yesterday.....
    
    	Swindell piched well and this guante guy from the bullpen
    is GREAT!  So far, I think, he has piched in 3 games...
    	2 innings.......5 KO's
    	1.1 innings.....3 KO's
    	2 innings.......3 KO's
    he has great control and is great agist right hand hitters...lefties
    is another story though...in fact...he doesn't throw against lefties...
    he gets taken out of the game.
    
    	WaHoooo!
    

    
    dont worry, Guante  always starts fast, then fades.. kinna like
    the  Indians..  :), Nice outing also by Perez...
    
    dinz
    

    
    
    But Dinz, the Tribe is bucking the trend this year..  starting slow
    then finishing slow.  

>>              <<< Note 36.75 by VAXWRK::NEEDLE "Fahrvergn�ten!" >>>
>>               -< Browne's got a groin pull.  He's day-to-day. >-

Make that a pulled muscle in his right thigh:

CLEVELAND - *Starting second baseman Jerry Browne (pulled muscle
in right thigh) has missed several games and remains day-to-day

    
    maybe they are, but its soo damn cold there, i think the temperature
    
    has alot to do with how they perform
    
    
    i know  when i run, and if its too cold, certain areas  stiffen
    up.. and.. ooh sorry i lost myself there
    
    
    

    i didnt even see diedre   monday, must have run by when i was sucking
    wind in medical  tent
    
    
    dinz
    

You gotta be careful there Dinz.  Nexted thing you know, you'll get
frostbite of the tip, and the damn thing'll turn black and fall off.

Then where'll ya be.....8^)

Keep on training, pardner.  If I stick with it this time, maybe
nexted year we BOTH can chase Dierdre....

'Saw

    
    ha a little  of both,,,  wellesley  took a lot out of me  T..
    
    THE SUPPORT from the female faithful was  overwhelming
    
    
    dinz
    

Kinda hard to run on sometimes, eh Dinz?

I guess you gave it your best whack, and it was good you didn't 
get off the course.

Next time you'll come in better I'm sure.

'Saw

    
    maybe i shoulda stopped a t wellesley :)
    

OF COURS IT WAS SEERIOUS T WHO DO YOU THING YOU ARE PAL WHEN I
AKS SOMETHING IT IS SERIUS ROKET ROGER CLEMSON IS THE BEST 
PITHER TO EVERY COME DOWN THE PIKE AND HEIS NOT TO BLAM THAT
THE RED SOCKS ARE NOT IN FIRST PLACE HE IS FOUR AND OH AND 
IS GREAT AND SWINDLE DOESNT' DO ANYTHING EXCEP GET INGURED
AT ALLSTART TIME AND SIT OUT FOR THE RESTS OF HTE SEASON ROGER
HAS TWO SY YOUNGS AND TWNETY K IN HOF BUT SWINDEL IS NOTHING
SO THER PAL!

    	HAY PAL!!!! MY GRANDMOTHER PICHES FASTER THAN THAT FAT WIMP
    WHO ATES TOO MANY DONUTS AND CHEWS TOO MUCH TOBACCY.  THE ONLY K'S
    THAT FAT WIMP GETS IS THE K FOR KLUTZ COS THATS ALL HE IS AND HE
    WILL NEVER BE ANYTHING BETTER.  YOU ARE TO BLAM!!

WHAT DID I EVERY DUE TO YOU PAL SWINDELL IS A GIRLY MON WHO 
GETZ IN JURED EVER YEAR AT THTE ALLSTAR BRAKE AND THEN DO NOT
PITCH AGIN THE RETS OF THE YAER.  HE IS NOT GOOD AND COUDN'T
NOCK CHANISAW ON HIS BUTT BUTT ROGER CLEMONS IS GOD AND CAN
PTICH BETTER THAN ANY PTICHER IN THE LEGUE.  ROGER HAS TWO
CY YOUNG S AND SWINDELL HAS NO AND ROGER HAS TWNETY K IN
HALLL OF FAM AND ROGER PLAYS GOOD OF THE MOUND AND WHAT
CAN SINWDLL DO HE IS NO GOOD AND HE IS TOO BLAM FOR CLEAVLAND
DOING NUTHING!  SO THERE PAL!!!

    	CRAIG BRINGS IT HOME BABY!!!!!  SHOWER TIME FOR THE CLES MON!!!
    GIRLY CLES MON NEED TO PUMP IT UP OR GO TO THE MINORS!!  THE ONLY
    HALL OF FAME MEMORORORBILIA CLES MON WILL GET IS A CAST BRONZE TROPHY
    OF HIS FAT CHEST NAD THE INSCRIPSHUN WILL READ "MOST FENWAY FRANKS
    EATING BY A MAGOR LEAGUE BASEBALL PLAYER IN A LIFETIME"
    
    	TAKE THAT TO THE BANK PAL!!!!

    
    Injuns finally beat the Jays in the skydome (now 1-6 in that chamber
    of horror)... 
    
    Tribe 4  Jays 3.
    
    Candiotti - WP
    Snyder, Maldonado, Myers - HRs
    Jones - Save.
    
    They also kept Gruber (ex-injun) from going deep which is quite
    and accomplishment... Kelly's hit 5 HRs since Friday.

    
    The tribe hasn't looked too bad this year!  Bearse is long gone
    after yesterdays outing.....2/3 of an inning, 4 runs.  What a 
    streak they had going there......10 home wins in a row!
    
    I need to know what Clevelands schedual is for Memorial Day weekend
    and the week afterward.......Does anyone know?  I'll be there then
    and hope to take in a game.  
    
    Does anyone know when Ceder Point opens too?
    
    
    	WaHooooooo!          

    Tribe is in Oakland and at California Memorial Day weekend.  Home
    with Boston June 1, 2 and 3.  Are these the dates you wanted?
    
    Must be great to be a fan in Cleveland.  Decide to go to a game
    on the spur of the moment, go down to the Stadium, have a fighting
    chance of getting decent seats for a reasonable price.
    
    John

    
    Yep, those are the games I needed to know about...but, I probibly
    won't be able to see them...I'll be leaving before Boston gets
    there...Your right about getting good seats there and not having
    to worry about if your able to get tickets...It is a nice stadium!
    I really hope that they don't build a new one for the Tribe.  The
    one they have is good enough.  I wouldn't mind if they domed it
    in though.....it would probibly be good for Bernie...
    
    Sorry Needle....no chance!
    
    WaHooo!
    
    Bud Black tonight.....WOIO, 7:30, Cleveland Stadium.
    

>>    Bud Black tonight.....WOIO, 7:30, Cleveland Stadium.

Bud Light goes tomorrow, Bud Dry the next day, followed by Bud Tall.

    	How is Bud Dry anyways?  Anyone tried it yet?
    
    sean

>>    	How is Bud Dry anyways?  Anyone tried it yet?

Yeah, I had one when I was I was at the Brewery.  Tastes dusty, just like
Michelob Dry.  I don't understand the fascination.  Then again, I don't
understand light beers either.  Give me a homebrew or give me piss, to quote a
famous patriot.

j.

�Give me a homebrew or give me piss, to quote a
�famous patriot.

Spoken like a true connaisseur.  I couldn't agree more...

Now if the revenoors would just let us make our own whisky!

'Saw

    
    My wife tells me the "Dry" beers contain no sugar, and are therefore, 
    even less calories than a light beer.  Personally, I'll take the
    calories, can't stand the taste of "dry" beer.  
    
    /Jeff

    	Doesn't Dry beer have more alcohol by volume than the regular
    version?

    Chainsaw, I still gots some moonshine from my relatives in Hungary. 
    Talk about some ass-kickin' stuff!  And, I'll be getting a few more
    liters this summer, thanks to my mom and my daughter going over.....
    
    Gonna be a warm winter!  :-)
    
    H�ck

    
    
    	Who cares about the caloriees???  I drink lite beer because
    there is less fat in it!  In fact.....there is NO fat in lite
    beer!

    	You had it right the first time... there is less fat in lite
    beer.   There IS fat however... less taste also. 
    
    sean_who_sez_you_can_keep_yer_miller_lite.
    

    
    
    
    JaKe
    

    	All they do with Lite beer is take the original version and
    add water... 8^)
    
    sean

    re.110
    Nah, you're wrong.
    
    They put the regular stuff in a trough for cows, then after the cows
    drink it, they follow them around with bottles, or cans, and fill em up
    with draft.
    
    Except in colorado where coors does it with mountain goats.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    SINDELL IZ BETTOR THEN CLEAMONS HEZ JUST KNOT DOING GOOD WRITE NOW
    BECUZ THE PRESS IS ALWAYZ HOUNDING HIM FOR STORIES ON HOW HEZ THE BEST
    PICTURE IN THE AMERICAN LEAGE!  SEW WUT IF HE DONT HAVE ENY (TM) CY
    YOUNG AWARDS CY WAS ON CLEVELAND SO THAT SHOULD COUNT FOUR SOMETHING!
    WHAT ELTS (TM) DO YOU WANT THE GUY TO DO IF THEIR WERE NO DH HED' BE
    BATTING FOURTH OR THIRD AND HAVE A AVEREGE OF ABOUT 356 AND BE SECOND
    IN THE AL BEHIND SNYDER WHILE CLEAMONS WOULD BE BATTING 9TH AND HAVE A
    123 AVEREGE AND BE THIRD WORST ON THE TEAM AHEAD OF GREEWNELL AND BURKS
    SO THEY SHOULD BRING UP PINA AND PLANTER AND NARING AND VAGHN AND
    PRATT AND ERVINE AND CROUTCH AND MANZANANZANILLO AND BOLTER ADN
    TROUTWINE (TM).  THEY WILL WIN IT ALL WITH THEM GUYS BUT NOT IF THEY
    DONT BRING THEM UP BLAM BLAM BLAM!  TAKE THAT NOW DONT HARASS ME OR ILE
    GO TO PERSONAL!

    Where do you think Budweiser comes from?  You think the Clydesdales are
    just for parades?  :-)
    
    Oh, I think I still have a picture of a Clydesdale hard at work.  If I
    cain find it, I'll send it to all you Bud lovers.........  :-)
    
    H�wk

    
    Bud Black piches a great game.....8 1/3 innings, no runs.  The
    two hits in the ninth were bloop singles.  Bring in Doug Jones
    to close out the game, his 7th save.  Maldenaldo hits big HR
    to break the game open.  Bud is 4-0!
    
    	Go TRIBE!
    
    WaHoo!

    
    Top of the 9th... Injuns lead 9-5.  Blowers has committed 4 errors
    in the game.
    

    
    	No time off for the Tribe...
    
    	Indians win 10 - 5.
    
    	Alomar goes 3 for 4 with 5 RBIs.
    	Jacoby goes 4 for 5 in the game.
    
    	Doug Jones gets his 8th save.
    
    	
    	The Chief, WaHoo!
    
    

    
    
    Blowers  ..  the name says it all!  

        If anyone attends a game in Cleveland could you do me a favor.
    See if can tell Kevin Wickander that Jason from Colorado says Hi.
    Kevin and my son Jason became good friends last year. We got to know
    him and talked to him every game we went to. If you get a chance I
    think he would get a kick out of it.
    
    Thanks   Wes Gulden

       I hear the Injuns may be allowed to leave Cleveland because of poor
    fan interest. Read it in one of the papers yesterday.
                                     Denny

    
    A ploy by the commissioner to get the people of Cleveland to vote for a
    sin tax (alcohol and cigs) to raise money to build the proposed new
    stadium.

    
    	The Tribe wins a double header Sunday...
    
    	Candiotti gets another win in the first game.
    
    	Shaw gets the win in the second game.  Doug Jones gets his
    9th save.
    
    	When Doug comes out of the bullpen guess what song gets played
    .......................WILD THANG.........................
    
    	:-)
    
    	Maldenaldo is out.....hurt his leg.
    
    
    	Chief WaaaaaHooooooo!
    
    

    re .121:
    
    Do you have any more specifics on Maldonado's injury?  How much if any
    time is he expected to miss?
    
    
    py

    
    	Not really py.....the only thing I heard durring the game was
    that he hurt it in game one (I didn't see).  Durring game 2, the
    texas announcer said he was out with a pull.....hopefully only
    a couple of days.....if that many!  He has been a big punch in
    our lineup!  Two homers in game 1.
    
    	The Chief...
    

�                   -< Another ##$%@^ rotisserie injury :-( >-


Paul, if this is the case, then let me suggest that you obtain the new

	/Don Bar-b-que Safety Tips Video


This tape is chock full of tips and helpful hints on how to make that
family bar-b-que something special to remember (and not becuase you've
ended up in the Shriner's Burn Center).

A full 60 minutes of /Don and Dinz, completely regaled in bar-b-que
aprons and chefs hats, explaining all of the necessary rules to make
your bar-b-que your best one yet...

You heard it here first....
Chainsaw

    Chainsaw, I heard that the footage of the Dinz accidently grabbing the
    Slasher's filberts with the tongs was editted out, 'specially that
    pained look on Slasher's face.......  Actually, that footage is being
    saved for the /Don Do-It-Yourself First Aid Video, in the "wrapping
    your injured filbert with an Ace bandage" section.......
    
    Hope.  :-)
    
    H�wk

Yes.  It's not a subject for the squeemish, but filbert blowout
is something that all men should know about...

'Saw

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  Filbert Blowout (tm) is now officially (tm)'d!
    
    Actually, never having experienced this phenomenon, I'd venture a guess
    that this is what happened to Hal since his Cav's lost to Philly!
    
    :-)
    
    H�wk

    
    	Indians score 5 in the first but lose 6 - 5..........
    
    	Maldenaldo is back, playing at about 80%.
    
    	Snyder is back to old routeen....strike out....strike out....
    He was very hot early in the season and it looked like the training
    he had received over winter is forgotten.....
    
    	Ferrell was very inconsistant in the game...losing a 5 run lead.
    
    
    	The Chief
    
    			WaHoo!.....
    

    
    	The vote for a new stadium was yesterday.......
    
    		Does anyone know what the outcome was???
    
    

    	Yeah, I heard Cuyahoga County approved it with a sin tax or
    something to that affect.
    
    sean

    
    	The only thing that I know about it is that there were
    no plans to have a domed stadium.  I think that if they are
    going to build a new one...they should dome it in.  Well,
    at least they won't be going to artifical turf....

    
    A domed stadium would be one more reason NOT to watch baseball in
    Cleveland.
    
    Domed stadiums should only be built if the domes are removeable (Toronto).  
    The only thing Toronto did wrong was put in artificial turf.
    
    Pat (who once spent a beautiful sunny 80 degree afternoon in the
    Kingdome)                                                          
    

    
    
    What I read said they were looking at a half dome with natural
    grass...  the best of all worlds...

    There is no such thing as "natural grass" in Clevescum.  Only
    green painted sewage sludge.
    
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    	The Tribe wins.....7 - 3.....
    
    	Valdez gets the win and
    	
    		WILD THANG,
    	Doug Jones picks up his 10th save.
    
    	Alomar hasn't played in quite awhile.....poor batting the 
    reason.
    
    	Maldenaldo went 2 for 5 in the game.
    
    	Webster hits his 4th HR.
    
    	This is one of the better starts by the Tribe in several
    years!  Lets hope they can keep it up!
    
    
    	The Chief,
    			WaHoo!
    

    
    Alomar poor batting?  Last I looked he was hitting about .290 with 17 
    RBIs..   doesn't sound too bad to me?  
    
    Glad to see the Stadium bill passed, they gotta keep baseball in
    Cleveland.  No DOMES!  A dome would be idiotic for baseball in
    Cleveland, the weather is only nasty in April mostly due to the cold
    temperature of the lake.  Once May roles around it's very pleasant 
    and who wants to go see a game indoors on a 90 degree day in July.  
    
    Sounds like they're "doing the right thing".  
    
    /Jeff

    
    Alomar hasn't played in the last 4 to 5 games.........
    
    Skinner is in.......
    
    The announcers say its because of his poor plate performance.....
    
    Thats all I know.....
    
    About the stadium.....the vote passed by a 52% to 48% margine....
    	Akron is one pissed off town...
    
    Does anyone know where the new park is going to be???  East or West
    side of Cleveland??
    
    	The Chief

SWINDIL IS INJERED AGIN? HES TO BLAM. WHO CAIRS ABOTA NEW STADUM? 
ROGER CLEMSON ONE AGAN LAS NITE. ROGR HAS 2 CY YUNGZ AND WIL HAVE 
ANOTER THIS SEASUN. SO GO ASK ALICE, WHITEHARE.

>>    Alomar hasn't played in the last 4 to 5 games.........

Since he played Monday, he could have only missed at most 2 games.

    
    	Well, maybe your right about him playing on Monday..........I
    know I haven't watched him play in quite awhile.....I thought, sence
    the last doubleheader they played.  Anyway, he did play last night...
    0 for 4.  The team has been playing every day now sence the start
    of the season....I think they have only had one or two days off....
    what a schedual!  Swindell pitched last night and didn't look too
    bad.  The game was lost because of a routeen base hit that hit the
    turf and skidded by Snyder and Webster to the plastic for a tripple.
    Should have been just a single.  Oh well, the team just looked
    tired.  The tribe scored two runs on a Cory Snyder home run.  You
    can see he has been practicing his batting again.....he is making
    a big effort to keep his head down when he swings.  
    
    	Still, the tribe is in good posisition, rideing at 500 ball.
    
    	
    	The Chief...
    

    
    	After 34 days of ball...the Indians finally get a day off...
    yesterday.  ESPN game of the day.....Indians vs A's.  Big game...
    Swindell goes for Cleveland....2 and 3 record so far this year.
    Look for a big game for him tonight!~
    
    
    	The Chief.....
    			WaHooooooo!!!
    

    
    	Indians win it with a big 7th...and alittle help from the
    A's outfield.  It was a come back win, being down 4 to zip.
    The game was delayed because of rain and in the 7th, it was
    almost called.  The pitcher almost fell on the mound but the
    umps let it go and the Tribe came back.  Swindell looked like
    crap....again.
    	Candiotti is on the disabled list...15 days.  Elbo problem.
    	Snyder didn't play yesterday...slump could be the reason.
    	Jones got his 13th save in as many appearances.  two more
    to tie the record....he set last year.
    
    
    The Chief,
    		Wahoo!!
    

    re -1
    
    I think it was the Cleveland outfield that helped.  It was too wet
    to be playing.   8^(
    
    Oh, well, the A's need to lose a few to keep the White Sox in it.

    
    	Yep, your probibly right...but...the fans didn't leave!!!
    
    	So, the umps had to let them play............
    
    
    
    	The Chief,
    			WaHoo!!!
    

    
    Rickey Henderson dropped ball had nothing to do with the rain.
    He dropped a ball that should have been caught, plain and simple.
    
    The tribe is 17-15 and looking good.  With all their new players,
    its only a matter of time before this team gets better.
    
    Their main problem has been inconsistent starting pitching.  Hopefully
    that will change.
    

    
    	Isn't it the truth......starting pitching....
    
    		what is the deal with Swindell?????
    
    

    
    Swindell's problem is he wastes too much energy on the mound.
    
    After every pitch he pulls up the left side of his pants by
    the waist and erjusts(tm) his groin... look at all that wasted motion!

    
    Well, Doug Jones finally let one slip away last night.  Gave up a 
    2 run homer to McGuire with 2 outs in the top of the 9th.  
    They could've used this one with a big West coast swing coming up
    next week.  
    
    If they can keep putting up runs like they have, they will continue to 
    be a force this year.  
    
    /Jeff
    
    
    

    
    	Jeff,
    		What a game it was!!!  I caught the game on the
    	Ohio Sports Channel last night.  It was exceiting the
    	whole game!  In the A's ninth, Doug (Wild Thang) Jones
    	comes in, gets the first out, then Casinco comes to bat,
    	Doug strikes him out!  The fans are going crazy....everyone
    	is standing for the last out....  Doug waists no time getting
    	to the next batter (McGuire) and before the crowd settles down
    	after the big K.....the first pitch.....over the fence!  I
    	was in shock...I almost thought I was watching a different
    	game and was wondering when we were going to get back to the
    	original one....
    
    		Oh well, thats the way it is....
    
    	Snyder then comes to the plate in the bottom of the ninth,
    	two outs, two strikes, and he takes a called strike three,
    	right down the middle of the plate........  :-(  One man
    	was on at the time, I think third base.
    
    
    	The Chief,
    
    			WaHoo!!!
    
    	btw, I can get the WaHoo fan club information if anyone is
    	interested...
    
    		maybe we should start one here???
    
    	

    If Candiotti recovers fairly quickly and Swindell gets back to form,
    this team is a definite threat...the offense, which I thought would be
    this team's weak link, has performed above expectations, and Jones
    (last night notwithstanding) can definitely close things out....
    
    
    py

    all 5 people were howling till the homer, seriously, time to get
    baseball out of cleveland.. the empty stands are terrible to
    
    look out....
    
    dinz
    

    
    
    	Fans???
    
    	Come on now...with promotions like this....
    
    	This Saturday at the Stadium.....after the game....
    
    		its the Beach Boys....
    
    	at no extra charge...and to beat all....1.00 of the
    	ticket price goes to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame!
    
    	The Chief!

    
    Nuthin' wrong with surfin' songs when you're in a city by the ocean.
    
    "If everybody had a woodie, across the U. S. AYYYYYY....."
    "Good, good, good, good Tribe-ations..."
    
    or how 'bout the song about the team batting average:
       "She's real fine, my .209..."
    
    Dickster
    

    
    Ummm, I think the team average is up to .210 now!

    
    	The Tribe takes 2 of 3 from the red hot Seattle group!
    
    	Doug (Wild Thang) Jones picks up his 14th save.
    
    	Terible game yesterday........Bad releif in the 10th!
    
    	The Indians are looking very good right now...even without
    Swindell and Candiotti.  The hitting comes at the right time.
    The tribe plays the Angles tonight........Bud Black goes for
    the Indians.
    
    
    	The Chief,
    			WaHoo!!!
    

    
    Well, It isn't Bud Black tonight...its Mr. Shaw!  He's done a very
    good job, comming in for the injured Tom Candiotti!
    
    and another...
    
    I guess the Mariners weren't doing all that well either.....
    breaking a 5 game losing streak Sunday....I hear they have
    set their expectations for a 500 season.....and I hear that
    everytime they get to 500...thats all the higher they ever go.
                                     
    
    
    	The Chief...

    chief,
    
    so , you must have the inside track on all the seattle info?
    
    Cuz i tell ya no way a scout hides in the  cleveland stands..
    
    :)
    

    
    	Tribe loses a tough one........
    	5-3 to the Angles....
    
    	Tonight its Candiotti.....off the injured list.....hope he has
    	a good game!
    
    	Does anyone know who would be the probible pitcher next friday
    	for the tribe might be???
    
    	The Chief.
    

    
    Well, the tribe isn't doing too good these days....4 in a row...
    	in the other direction.  Ferrel goes for the indians tonight...
    	Lets hope for a change.  Jet lag should be out of the way
    	now.
    
    Question:::
    
    	Does anyone know what is going on in Cleveland next Friday???
    
    	Indians vs the Red Sox    is the stadium doing any promotional
    	things for this game???  Baseball hat, bat, ball, ????
    
    	It would be nice to know...
    
    	Watch the game....I'll be there man!  I'll have this sign
    that says.....Hi Sports Noters..... :-)
    
    	Yep, gone for the whole week.  So, I'll have all the good
    crap from home.  What a deal huh?  Going to Cleveland for my
    Vacation.  Would think I'd go to Florida or something.
    
    	There really is alot of things to do there though.....
    
    	Like what you ask???  Well, there is Ceder Point, Dinnasor land
    	the magnetic house....Kelly's Island....great Walleye fishing
    	(which I plan to do lots of).  and the list goes on and on....
    
    The Chief
    
    

    
    
    Hey Hal, be sure to put something referencing Boston on your sign or 
    the Boston tv crews won't show it.  Maybe something rude about the Sox 
    which only sports noters will be able to pick up on!  
    
    /Jeff

    
    How 'bout:  
    
    Hi Boston..  Sox Sip Discretely  
    
    	Love Hal,  from <insert town> Ma.  

    
    How 'bout.  "Hi to Athol, MA
                    and
                Radio station SLOF"
    

    Just wear a dead beachball on your head, Hal.
    
    	--dan'l

    Hal,
    
    Did ya check out the weekend baseball scene in Cleveland?  Now that I
    think of it, didn't Hal say he was going to Cleveland shortly?  
    
    The Sox took 2 of three from the Indians this weekend.  Saturday night
    Tony Pena took offense to a brushback pitch that was playing a bit of
    chin music.  His words to the catcher, were "tomorrow, someone is going
    DOWN".  Well, Pena didn't play but the first batter Clemens faced took
    the second pitch on the elbow.  The benches emptied, with Pena and Chris
    James being the main event.  Fortunately, nobody was injured.  I'd
    expect Pena and the boys to get quite an ovation upon returning home
    tonight.  
    
    					Steve

    
    re: -1.  
    
    Total class-less behaviour by the Red Sox.  Brush back pitches are part
    of the game..  intentionally hitting batters is NOT.  There is a big, 
    big difference between a Clemens fast ball and a Jones change-up. 
    
    As Chris James said, the whole episode was Pena's fault, period.  He
    made the stink about the brush back pitch and yesterday's frolics 
    resulted.  Gotta put some blame on Clemens too, the Sox team agreed to 
    let him throw in tight, he decided to throw at him, nearly causing an
    injury.  Another example of what a class guy Clemens really is!  
    
    Well, I'll be looking forward to Fridays game..  Fenway, here I come!  

    Just how many Sox got beaned yesterday? I saw 2 or 3. That pitch Guante
    threw at Boggs was real close to the plate. Yeah right. He had no where 
    to go. The idiot (Guante) threw it right at the middle of his back. The
    Sox showed restraint after all the beaning, ie Evans has a pitch sail
    over his haid, next pitch--HR. Greenwell gets brushed back, next pitch,
    RBI double(I think). So long Cleveland. Two out of three ain't bad.
    				Rich
    

I saw Roger on the tube this morning.  He said he saw Pena get the chin music
the night before from his hotel (the starting pitcher for the next night is 
allowed to leave the park early) and knew immediately what "had to be done".
He said if it wasn't for his teammates, he wouldn't be 9-2 and he had to do
his part to protect them.  He said that it is the "worst part of the game, as
it is in pro-hockey"  but that it is "part of the game" and is "going to
happen."  Joe Morgan also said it was "something that had to be done" and
he knew Roger could take care of it.  It sounded like they were interviewing
Neely and Milbury of the Broons.

Scott

	Classless?? Who cares, they actualy looked like a team yesterday.  And
of all people to throw brushbacks too, the catcher.  You know your getting one 
back after that.  I don't care if Clemens did injure someone or not, don't throw
at us (the one to Pena was around his head, at least Rog kept his down), or 
we''ll throw one right back, that you can't get out of the way of.  I like
that that attitude.   

mc

    
    Just as there is a difference between a change-up and a fastball,
    there is just as big a difference between throwing at someones
    elbow and someones haid.
    
    
    
    Steve

    To say the Red Sox were totally to blame, sounds convenient from a
    Cleveland fan.  Tony Pena is one of the more competitive players in the
    game.  As someone said, you don't throw at the opposing catcher's head
    to get him off the plate.  So Clemens hits the guy in the elbow.  He
    was the last batter hit by a Sox pitcher.  Following that Brunansky
    gets hit by a pitch.  The next batter, Evans, has a pitch go sailing
    over his head.  The next pitch gets deposited in the left field stands.
    HA!  Then Greenwell almost gets his head removed with a fastball.  Next
    pitch, double.  Then Boggs gets hit by a pitch.  It was ridiculous.
    
    Even though it was an ugly scene, as a Sox fan I was glad to see what
    happened happen (as long as nobody was hurt of course).  For too long,
    this team didn't have that type of team commradarie.  If the Indians
    want to continue this, let 'em.  The fire's been lit.
    
    					Steve    

    RE: Tex Corbett.
    
    	Agreed.  Last year they had a similar incident (I can't remember
    against who) and two or three guys responded.  It's nice to see
    these guys sticking up for each other like a team should.  And if
    Jones had just accepted the fact that Pena beat him on Friday night
    the whole thing would not have happened.  But I must admit that
    I loved it!  8^)
    
    				/Don

>    	Agreed.  Last year they had a similar incident (I can't remember
>    against who) and two or three guys responded.  It's nice to see
>    these guys sticking up for each other like a team should.  And if
>    Jones had just accepted the fact that Pena beat him on Friday night
>    the whole thing would not have happened.  But I must admit that
>    I loved it!  8^)
 
	Last year it was against Texas, Smitson hit Patrali or Palmero and
the they had a few words and the Texas dougout emptied.  The only one to 
come of the Sox bench right away was Joe Price.  Clemens, Morgan, Greenwell
and a few others came out a bit later.  After the game Greenwell called everyone
who didn't come off the bench a wimp.  

mc

    
    The best thing Cleveland can do is put Rudy Seanez (who has been
    clocked at 98 mph) into the game next weekend, and he does have
    control problem... and give him a list a players... let him take
    his pick...  I'd say Burks, Boggs or Brunansky...  if the guy gets
    injured who cares - take the Sox fans attitude.

    So what are you trying to imply, huh ?

>    The best thing Cleveland can do is put Rudy Seanez (who has been
>    clocked at 98 mph) into the game next weekend, and he does have
>    control problem... and give him a list a players... let him take
>    his pick...  I'd say Burks, Boggs or Brunansky...  if the guy gets
>    injured who cares - take the Sox fans attitude.


	Don't pin the "who cares" comment on all the Sox fans, I made it.
I'll stick by it too, brush backs, purpose pitches and even hitting batters
(as Clemens yesterday) are part of the game.  You gotta do what you gotta do and
you can't do it if you worry about the guy your doing it to.  Of course keeping
the ball around the waist instead of the HEAD (which the sox were bailing out
from a few times last night) will reduce the serious injuries.

mc

    Clemens is pitching for the Sox Friday night.  Is Farrell going for the
    Indians?  Pitch Seanez every game next weekend.  Never heard of the
    guy.
    
    					Steve

      
    A brush back pitch as a form of intimidation IS a part of the game. 
    Hitting someone deliberately just because they are wacking your pitcher
    all over, or you have been brushed back is not.   
    
    Retaliation for getting intentionaly hit is a tough one.  If some one 
    else hits you I suppose it can be justified as long as you aim low. 
    
    But before anyone casually dismisses beanball as "part of the game" 
    think about the serious injuries it can cause.  I'm sure sox fans 
    recall what happened to Tony Conigliaro even though that incident was 
    unintentional.
    
    
    

    	And I'll stick by my statement that if Jones had left well enough
    alone nothing would've happened.
    
    				/Don

    Congliaro, Dicky Thon, Mickey Cochrane ....
    
    Slasher is right ... but some things about baseball are STUPID !

    whos clemmons? :)
    

    Jones didn't hit Pe�a though... he sent a message, but he didn't hit
    him.  I sure he could have drilled him if he wanted to...

    Triumphant p-name, Walt.
    
    You'll have to excuse the Cleveland fans...the Dia-Tribe (tm) are
    on there way down to to the cellar to turn the lights on for the
    Yankees.
    
    Mark.

    
    Unless Boston is using a 5 man rotation, Clemens won't be pitching 
    Friday night.  
    
    Farrell was a wild man yesterday..  the pitch that hit Brunanski looked 
    like it slipped.. ditto the one that went over Evans head.  If the
    hit by pitches were so blatently "intentional" the pitchers should have 
    been tossed. 
    
    If Pena wasn't such a cry baby nothing would have happened yesterday.  
    It wasn't like he was hit, he was simply brushed back (we don't even 
    know whether that was intentional).  
    
    /Jeff 

    
    Did Jones hit Pena with his blazing 75 mph curve?
    
    
    Jeff, Boston doesn't have 5 major league starters so how can they
    use a 5 man rotation?
    

    	Jones' pitch was at the head.  The message was "this is what
    happens when you beat me".  Fine, but expect any team will filberts
    to respond.  And if Cleveland had a crybaby like Pena the would
    probably have a better record. 
    
    				/Don

    Re Jeff and Paul G., Clemens is not scheduled to pitch in the Yankee
    series (according to this morning's Boston Globe), so it looks like he
    will be on the mound Friday (fine with me, I'll be there).
    
    Surprised that Guante (who put Tony Fernandez out of action last year
    with a HBP that fractured Fernandez' cheekbone) didn't get ejected
    for his pitches to Boggs and Greenwell.  
    
    
    py

    Is this brouhaha going to make it tough to get tickets to next
    weekend's games?  I'm coming up next week for a class.  I'm
    intentionally arriving on Saturday morning just to see the game.
    
    	--dan'l

    Boston's been using a 5 man rotation for most of the year, unless there
    is a day off inbetween series'.  Refer to the pitching staff in whatever
    way you please, but take a look at the standings, and see how your
    team is doing, before sticking your foot in your mouth.
    
    On Friday, Pena beats Jones and the Indians with a 9th inning triple.  The
    following night he gets knocked down by a pitch that would have hit him
    had he been sportin' a beard.  I'd say if Clemens hit Jefferson in the
    head, then yeah he's a jerk, but he hit the guy in the arm.  Following 
    this Brunansky and Boggs get hit by pitches.  For Boggs it was the at
    bat following his homer.  Evans and Greenwell see a couple of pitches 
    up around their heads.  Is it a coincidence that four of Boston's best 
    hitters get screwed with?  I seriously doubt it, and Evans had the best 
    answer for it.
    
    					Steve

    
    Just ask yourself who started it.. who threw the first pitch with the 
    intention of hitting the batter (he hasn't exactly been hidding the
    fact that it was intentional).
    
    In terms of the standings, big deal.  Boston ahead by 2 games.  Take
    away Clemens's nine victories and what do you have? 
    
    Looks like a one man pitching staff if you ask me.. 

>< Note 36.195 by COBRA::DINSMORE "hey uta pippin, me gots a long stocking!" >
>                    -< yanks need 3 for confidence builder >-

Then they should play a week or so in the Eastern League.

daryll
    

    >In terms of the standings, big deal.  Boston ahead by 2 games.  Take
    >away Clemens's nine victories and what do you have? 
    
    That's like saying, "yeah, but take away Magic Johnson and the Lakers
    sip."
    
    Believe me, I'm not at all holding up the Red Sox pitching staff as a
    fine example.  As a matter of fact, I've refused to buy tickets this
    year (to my son's disbelief), because of the apparent lack of commitment 
    by management regarding the pitching staff.  They should be better off 
    when Dopson returns, if he's healthy, but I think the Red Sox are very
    fortunate to be sitting where they are.
    
    					Steve

    < Note 36.194 by SNDCSL::HAUSRATH "Too many projects, not enough time" >
                        -< Yankees will manage a split >-

    
>    Just ask yourself who started it.. who threw the first pitch with the 
>    intention of hitting the batter (he hasn't exactly been hidding the
>    fact that it was intentional).

    It started Friday night with Pena's game winning triple.  It continued
    with Jones on the mound Saturday night against Pena.  It continued
    further when Clemens drilled Jefferson.  It was prolonged when Boggs
    and Bruno got drilled.
    
    So, as you can see, Jeff, Pena started it by getting a hit.  I guess
    he should be suspended.
    
    Mark.

    	I must admit that Mark (A.K.A. Weenie) is right again.  Pena
    should've struck out Friday night.  Cleveland would've won the game,
    Jones would've been happy and the troublemaking Red Sox would've
    sulked out of town.  Pena should be suspended.
    
    				/Don

�    Just ask yourself who started it.. who threw the first pitch with the 
�    intention of hitting the batter (he hasn't exactly been hidding the
�    fact that it was intentional).
    
    According to the reports here in Austin, Doug Jones started it by
    throwing at Pena.
    
    As for the one man pitching staff, I guess you have overlooked Mike
    Boddicker who is doing well as a #2 man.  The #4 and 5 spots, although
    being occupied by a variety of pitchers, have been doing the job of 4th
    and 5th starters.  The spot the Sox have not gotten any consistency out
    of has been the 3rd spot.  Middle relief has been OK.  The stopper
    could be better (the Sox traded the wrong guy for Bruno), but hopefully
    he'll stay healthy.
    
    If we take Clemens out of the Sox rotation, who do we take out of
    Cleveland's?  Swindell?  Where would the Tribe be without their best
    starter?
    
    Mike C., any comments about Clemens the "non-pitcher" who is something
    like 5-0 with a 1.6 ERA in his last 5 starts?  Still think the guy can
    only throw?  A local baseball stats man who writes a column for the
    Sunday paper said he'd take Clemens over Gooden (or anyone else in the
    league) in a second.  He said that if you put Clemens on the Mets his
    ERA would drop by almost a run.  Put Gooden in Fenway and his ERA would
    go up accordingly.  Gooden's road ERA is right around the league
    average.  Clemens has an ERA at home and away a good deal better than
    the league average.

    
    
    		WORLD CHAMPIONS
    
    			1920	1948
    
    		AMERICIAN LEAGUE PENNANTS
    
    			1920	1948	1954
    
    
    THE CHIEF!

    The standings say it all. Sox up by 1/2 game. Also, Bruno had a 
    helluva game last night against the Stankees, 4ribbies, 2 runs scored.
    Look out ALeast, the Sox are here!!
    		       Red_Sox_Rich
    

    where were all these fans yesterday when sox were 1/2  game out..
    
    haaaaaaaa  amazing what first place does to fans  
    
    dinz
    

    What fans are you talking about Dinz?  I don't see any unfamiliar names
    in here.  
    
    					Steve

    	I see an unfamiliar name...  COBRA::DINSMORE

    hi steve,
    
    just having some fun.. tough from my stand point too really bust
    them too much
    
    
    dinz
    

 Mac, I wouldn't get all hot and mighty here about ole Roger. First I haven't
 seen him pitch lately so who knows wether using all his pitches or just his
 heat. I suspect heat though as he hardly ever pitch 9 innings. But once again
 he proves himself an ass by his actions this weekend. Why he should be sus-
 pended if you read the papers around here. "I was listening to the game back
 at the hotel saturday nite (some team player huh?) and I knew what my job was
 sunday". Planned retaliation incouraged by the manager, they both should be
 fined!

 Besides how many times has he started hot only to fade away when the pressure
 of the pennant race heats up? Also given that the bum is renogotiating his
 contract already you'd expect him to go for a career year, and now he gives
 credit to the guys around him for his victories so they'll be on his side
 against management. What a crock! He still one of the most classless acts
 in all sports....

 It's almost july, I feel a fake injury coming....

 Yes, Gooden is off to a rough start but we don't hear about hidden injuries
 or the mound was too high, or the ump was squeezing me or don't get no
 support like some other chump would be wailing away about, under simlar
 circumstances....

 mike

    

    Mike, it's a Red Sox policy that when there is a night game followed
    by a day game, the starting pitcher in the day game is allowed to
    go back to the team hotel to get his rest.  Most teams do the same
    thing.  Also, in potentially tough travel situations, the starting
    pitcher for the first game in a new city is often allowed to fly
    there a day ahead of the team.
    
    John

 Yes John, I'm aware of that but I think it's a stupid rule and also one
 which the pitcher doesn't heve to follow. A real team player would be at 
 the game rooting his guys on. Better yet a real sports fan would be at
 the game watching things live rather listening to it on the radio....

 which proves it is strickly business with these guys. Oh well atleast
 when Roger looses I won't Hear "well I was at the game last night and
 didn't get enough sleep. or I caught a bug in the air"...

 mike

> Mac, I wouldn't get all hot and mighty here about ole Roger. First I haven't
> seen him pitch lately so who knows wether using all his pitches or just his
> heat. I suspect heat though as he hardly ever pitch 9 innings. But once again
> he proves himself an ass by his actions this weekend. Why he should be sus-
> pended if you read the papers around here. "I was listening to the game back
> at the hotel saturday nite (some team player huh?) and I knew what my job was
> sunday". Planned retaliation incouraged by the manager, they both should be
> fined!


	Roger is using all his pitches.  He's been going to the split-finger an
quite a bit with great success.  He probably hasn't gone nine often becuase as 
primarly a strike out pitcher it's tough to go nine.  By the 8th his pitch 
count is probably ~125-130. As for the planned retaliaton and a fine.  Blchhhh, 
yeah right.  Sure he threw the pitch on purpose, but he has not admitted it and 
wont and there is nothing the league should or could do.  "I knew what my job 
was  Sunday" is far from a signed confession (and purposely so.)  

Mc

>   <<< Note 36.209 by CNTROL::CHILDS "Eat Me, Beat Me, C'mon Mistreat ME" >>>
>                                -< stupid rule >-


> Yes John, I'm aware of that but I think it's a stupid rule and also one
> which the pitcher doesn't heve to follow. A real team player would be at 
> the game rooting his guys on. Better yet a real sports fan would be at
> the game watching things live rather listening to it on the radio....
>
> which proves it is strickly business with these guys. Oh well atleast
> when Roger looses I won't Hear "well I was at the game last night and
> didn't get enough sleep. or I caught a bug in the air"...

Maybe it does help his game to get back to the hotel and get some rest.  Would
he be more of a team player if he stayed at the park, thus POSSIBLY not 
performing his best when it is his turn?  I know I function better with an extra
hour or two of sleep.  But what do I know, I'm not a real sports fan because
I often watch the game on TV and only make it to see the game live on
weekends.  sheeeeesh.....

Scott

 Scott, how was he getting more sleep if he was listening to the game? Also
 you and Roger as sports' fan are in completely different situation. He can
 see the game for nothing, doesn't have to worry about babysitting, parking
 and can have one of the best seats in the house....

 Mac, I must be getting through to you, if you won't waste your time... ;^)

 Tex, why would a strike out pitcher have to throw so many pitches? Also
 it was quite obvious what the "intent" of Roger's statement was. We are not
 dumb illerates that we need everything spelled out in black and white...

 mike

    Is he making more of a contribution to his team by being better-rested
    on Sunday or by staying in the dugout cheering them on during Saturday
    night's game?
    
    More so than other team sport, baseball is individualistic.
    Leadership and team spirit are shown by example and performance,
    not by rah-rah.
    
    Finally, it is a cold, hard, bottom-line business on the part of
    management.  Very few teams care about the players as individuals,
    only as performers and as depreciable assets on a balance sheet.
    Given that feeling, then why shouldn't it be a business to the players
    as well?  (though this by no means gets rid of the feeling that
    winning is important).  Management views success by making money
    because that's how they stay in business, winning is a very important
    part of this but not the whole thing (ie, the Red Sox don't need
    to win, just contend in order to make a lot of money).  Coaches
    view success based on winning.  Players view success as their own
    individual performance.  An important part of being a professional
    athlete is to learn how to enjoy a 3 for 4 day in a losing cause.
    It does the player no good to go 0 for 4 consistently if the team's
    losing because he's going to be history.
    
    John

 John, as I stated how was he getting more rest if he was listening to the
 game? I can see the rule when it's the game before you travel and the guy
 takes off early for the next town. Wouldn't being at the game allow him to
 get a view of who's hot and who's not for the opposision? What they are
 hitting what they are not?

 Sure management has foster this attitude of all business but that doesn't 
 mean that the players have to. I know that if my team is playing I'm there
 unless my # 1 priority my family needs me elsewhere.

 mike 

    It's more restful to be relaxing in a hotel room listening to the
    game on the radio than it is to be sitting at the ballpark, getting
    one's adrenaline all hyped up while being at the game (there is
    a difference), going into the clubhouse after the game, taking a
    shower and waiting for the bus or a cab to go back to the hotel.
    I think he got more rest.  You don't.  We'll have to agree to disagree
    on this one.
    
    John

    What a shame.  To have one of the best pitchers in baseball in your own
    backyard, and criticize him for something so petty.
    
    Clemens stuck his foot in his mouth last year, was criticized, and has 
    since learned from it.  I hope my kids have the work ethic of Roger
    Clemens, in whatever career they eventually choose. 
    
    					Steve

Good points John except would he really need a shower? but the adrenline
makes senss as does ATD...

Steve, I feel sorry for your kids if you want them to emulate Roger. Oh
sure he's fine now that he winnings but let him start loosing again and
he'll pull out his bag of excuses. Always has the track record is there.
His head is bigger than T's butt... ;^)

mike 

    	Mike, maybe he was listening to the game in his jammies?  You're
    really full of it big time.  It's a good thing you're such a good
    chef, otherwise...  8^)
    
    				/Don

> Tex, why would a strike out pitcher have to throw so many pitches? Also
> it was quite obvious what the "intent" of Roger's statement was. We are not
> dumb illerates that we need everything spelled out in black and white...

	Strike out pitchers usualy throw more pitches becuase it takes usualy 
takes more pitches to strike someone out then to get them to ground out or
fly out.  Saying Clemens isn't getting CG's becuase he is only realying on his
heat is kind of far fetched.  The guy can go out and throw 130-140 pitches.
There are not alot of pitchers who can do that.  Only the cream of the crop
like Clemens, Langston...

	I know what Clemens meant and so do you, but it was worded so that it
could not be taken by the league as saying he intentionaly plunked him.  

mc

    Does Roger sweat when he watches a game on TV?
    
    Perspiring minds want to know... ;-)
    
    
    py

    When my kids were axed who they're favorite Red Sox player is, they'd
    say Roger Clemens.  Then I set them straight, telling them that he's a
    whining, complaining, no-personality, bum who they should hate.  They
    listened well, and now their hero is Jos� Cans�c��
    
    HTH.
    
    H�wk

    RE: one of Mike Childs' replies a few back....
    
    Mike, I'll give you half credit.....by entering your notes, you've
    proven that you aren't illiterate!!!
    
    
    Nelly

 haha Nelly nice shot......

 still doesn't matter. the bottom line is people around here treat the guy
 like he's the greatest and he's far from it. What's he won 20 games twice
 in his life? He has no class and although he maybe changing his ways has
 always been more of a thrower than a pitcher.....

 mike

    Mike, did Roger throw at someone's haid? No. At the middle of someone
    back? No. He threw in tight on Stan (.170) Jefferson. Not at Wade
    (.350 lifetime) Boggs or Dwight (370 lifetime hrs) Evans. Roger didnt 
    endanger someones career by throwing at their haid. Stop yer bitchin'
    :-)
    				Rich
    

    
    Does anyone know how much each player was paid for royalties from
    the sales of murchandise like hats, shirts and such for the past
    four years???  
    
    	If you played for the last four years, you received a check
    	for $84,000.00!
    
    	Isn't that something?
    
    	The Chief!
    

    
    	Oh Yea.....I'm sure everyone has heard about the Red Sox manager
    		getting suspended for three games.....what does that
    		tell ya???
    
    
    	The Chief
    

    That tells ya that he should have kept his mouth shut after the
    game.
    
    Go read a book.
    
    Mark.

    
    An't it the truth!!! 
    		What a dumbs..t he is!

    	Morgan may be a bonehead, but he's a manly bonehead.
    
    				/Don

    
    I'm sure we haven't heard the last of suspensions and/or fines for 
    last Sundays "event"..  
    
    Probably be more coming after this fridays re-match too.  
    
    

�    I'm sure we haven't heard the last of suspensions and/or fines for 
�    last Sundays "event"..  
    
    I think we have, unless something else happens this weekend.  Bobby
    Brown said something to the effect that brushbacks and hit batters are
    part of the game.  Morgan was suspended for his comments, not for
    ordering a knockdown pitch.  Morgan did get the message out that he is
    behind his players.  That message got him a 3 game suspension (the same
    length that Robinson got for spouting off about an umpire), and
    probably more respect from his players.

Agreed Mac.

It's an extension of the tactic of getting tossed to get something
stirred up.

One thing that seemed to be sadly lacking in the Sox lockerroom the
past couple of seasons was cohesiveness.  This may go a long way
towards getting some back....

'Saw

    re the last few:
    
    I suspect that Chris James and Tony Pena might get some disciplinary
    action for their fisticuffs.  The brushback pitch may be part of the
    game, but fighting isn't.
    
    
    py

Whoa, Can't do that, both James and Pena are members of that up and coming 
powerhouse, the Expros in the BLB.

daryll

    The Expros sip INdiscretely.
    
    Mark.

    
    sip?  huh....
    
    the sixth sox sissy slugger silently slurps six "SOX" slimey suckers
    
    
    and that's the trufh

The best thing about baseball 1990 is we don't have to hear the "Cy Swindell
is better than Clemens" baloney.  "Cy" gave up three homers to Cecil Fielder
last night and got his e.r.a. down to about 5.6.    

    
    Never should have pitched to Fielder the 3rd time he was up there..  
    either that or Guante should have been brought in.  Mac must have been 
    sleeping through that inning.  
    
    Swindell came to camp in lousy shape, hence his early season problems.. 
    He should (better) continue to improve through the year.  
    
    /Jeff  

    
    	It was a good game by Swindell anyway.  He only gave up 6 hits
    and three of those were to Fielder for 5, count'em, 5 runs.  He
    had good control too.  The first two homers by Fielder were balls
    so low that I don't know how he got his golf club out in time. 
    The first homer was barrly that at all.  It looked like more of
    a pop fly that just carried.  It landed two rows back in the right
    field stands.  The last homer was hit off a high fast ball.  
    
    	Later..
    
    	The Chief!
    

    he gives up 3 homers and its a good game... ha
    

    I saw Fielder's homers on ESPN SportsCenter last night...one of them
    did just make it, but there was nothing cheap about the other two
    (especially the one that went to straightaway center and just missed
    going into the bleachers).  
    
    BTW, anyone going to Indians-Red Sox tomorrow night at Fenway?  My wife
    and I will be there with a group from the Beverly, MA school system.
    We're sitting in Section 6, Row 4, Seats 5 & 6 (rotten seats, but they
    waited too long and that's all they could get).   I'll probably be
    wearing my Orioles hat, stop over and say hi if you're there.
    
    
    py

    Anyone think Morgan's decision to appeal the suspension had anything to
    do with him wanting to be in the dugout for the Indians series?

    Hadn't really thought about that aspect, but now that you bring
    it up it sounds reasonable.  Heard that tickets for Friday's
    game is sold-out.  Should be real interesting...
    
    wheel
    

    
    Hey Paul,  I'll be at the "fights" friday too..  I'll try to find you 
    over in section 6...  provided it's safe for an Indians fan to be 
    roaming the stands that is!  
    
    I think our seats are somewhere behind the plate. 
    
    /Jeff

    
    	Getting back to the game yesterday...
    
    	The Indians had many a chance to change the outcome of the game
    right up to the last out.....bases loaded and 1 out, bottom of the
    ninth.....
    	Some Swindell stats.....he has given up 12 homers this year
    so far....his average is 16 per year.
    	Look for the Tribe to do much better.....several of the players
    are just comming off minor injuries...Fermine....Jacoby....Webster
    
    	The Chief!
    

    
    	The Indians win in Boston, snapping their winning streak and
    snapping the Tribes losing streak!  Holy cow!  I thought it would
    never end!  
    	The Indians have been hitting the ball well...outhitting their
    opponents in almost every game.  But, not back to back...
    	Wild Thang, Doug Jones, gets his 19th save.  
    	The new guy Allred has done a great job at the plate but his
    fielding has much to be desired...he has a hard time judging fly
    balls....he will be moved around depending on who the pitcher is.
    	Candiotti pitched a great game yesterday only allowing 5 hits
    in 8+ innings.
    
    
    	The Chief!
    

    
    Chief, for those of us on the other coast, would you please update
    what happened in the other Indian games this weekend?
    
    Bruce 

    Bruce, don't hold your breath.
    
    Mark.

    re .251
    
    Be nice Mark ...
    
    
    
    Do you REALLY want LiteLocks showing up an extra 90-100 times a
    year ?
    
    Dr 00:00

    Tense ballgame played in occasional rain Friday night.  The Rocketman
    was not sharp.  Allred fell down on a routine fly ball that Ellis
    Burks turned into a triple.  Allred homered down the right field
    line for a 2-1 Tribe lead.  Burks homered for a 3-2 Sox lead and
    the Sox added an insurance run on a squeeze play.  Tribe got to
    Reardon for another run in the 9th, final, Sox 4 Tribe 3.
    
    Burks had another great day on Saturday in an 11-6 Sox win.  3 run
    double and a homer at least.  Dana Kiecker got his first big league
    win.
    
    The big story yesterday was Tom Candiotti who pitched 8 1/3 innings
    in a 4-0 Tribe win.  Gardner didn't pitch badly.  Cleveland scored
    its first run on a double play with runners on 1st and 2nd.  After
    a couple of Gardner walks, a Cleveland double drove in a couple
    of runs.
    
    Boddicker vs Swindell tonight before the Sox hit the road for 3
    in New York (Joe Morgan's appeal takes place tomorrow), 4 in Baltimore
    (Saturday's game on CBS) and 2 in Toronto.  Will SWINDELL BE TO
    BLAM?
    
    John

    
    	re:  .251
    
    	Reguarding the other games.....Well, both loses but, I feel
    they played better in the Friday night game....again, they had
    their chances.....into the ninth....guys on first and third...
    one out...and.......
    	The Saturday game stank!  Couldn't watch it.....
    
    	re:  .252
    
    	Yep, wouldn't it be nice........but, I know how many Cleveland
    fans are out there and I could only take so much my self.  Besides,
    I get too depressed when the team loses so many in a row.  I could
    get on the tube and complain about one thing or another, then get
    ridiculed by my fellow Cleveland fans.......  I could take getting
    ribbed by the fools who root for teams that will go nowhere, like
    yours, but by the Ice or Mr H, No way.....No way!
    	Thats not to say the Indians will go anywhere either....because,
    Its all how the dice fall!  
    
    	
    	LETS HEAR IT FOR THE CLEVELAND INDIANS!!!!!
    
    
    			WAHOOOOOOO!
    
    	The Chief
    

    
    re: .253
    
    HEY PAL THE GUYS NAME IS GREG SWINDELL NOT WILL SWINDEL HE NOT TO BLAM
    HE COULD HAVE ONE THE SY YUNG AWARD LASTED YER BUT HE DECIDED TO WATE
    UNTIL HIS CONTRACT SEASON CAME UP!

    Was hoping the Tribe could give my O's a little more help this past
    weekend...
    
    I was also at Friday's game.  Clemens did not look as sharp as usual, I
    believe Cleveland got at least one man on base each inning.  The Tribe
    could use another good RBI man; other than the Allerd HR they weren't
    able to convert their opportunities.  Also, I don't think I've seen a
    team swing at as many pitches out of the strike zone as the Indians,
    they could use a bit more discipline at the plate.
    
    Reardon looked good in the 8th, very hittable in the 9th.  Sox need to
    take care not to overuse him.
    
    
    py

    
    Tribe spanks hapless Sox in 12...  4-3.  Split series in Fenway 2-2.
    
    

    
    re: -1
    
    Yo dockers regional sales manager, my last appearance was June
    11th at 1:10 PM EST.  Some of do have real jobs.
    

�    Tribe spanks hapless Sox in 12...  4-3.  Split series in Fenway 2-2.
    
    Actually that should read:
    
    Tribe squeaks by the A.L. East leading Red Sox in 12...  4-3.  Split
    series in Fenway 2-2.
    
    This put the Indians 5-� games back of first.  They now have a 2 game
    winning streak and are 3-7 in their last 10 games.  Swindell left the
    game early with a pulled groin.  The game was tied by the Tribe in the
    8th when an unearned run scored on Tony Pe�a's error.  Sox could have
    won the game in the 9th when they loaded the bases with no outs.  Evans
    and Pe�a both hit grounders which forced the potential winning run at
    the plate, and Quintana went down swinging.

    Thanks for the "complete" story, Mac.
    
    I guess Paul's workload slows *way* down during the football season.
    
    Mark.

    
    Mark, we all know the complete story, for once a non-Cleveland team 
    CHOKED!!!  
    
    This might be the win the TRIBE needs to turn this recent skid around.
    
    /Jeff
    
    

In all seriousness, you guys might not realize it but /Don's
job here is VERY important.  /Don is on call 24 hours a day, 
7 days a week, 52 weeks a year.

He's a Special Consultant Sortof, which is a very important position.
So important in fact that in the recent buyout, his position was the
first position declared ESSENTIAL, and not eligible.

So, don't be blastin' /Don about him working, because I happen to
know he works very hard (and doesn't even sweat!) at his job.


Slhep this slops,
Chainsaw

    
    Some other facts about the game.....
    
    	Yep, Swindell could be out for awhile...
    
    	Bottom of the ninth....You should have seen Orosco's face
    when he got out of the inning.....he couldn't get to the dugout
    fast enough, then he started rooting and howling, he got the
    whole team pumped up.  He then went out and held the sox in check
    untill the new guy came in.  
    
    	Bottom of the 12th....what a catch by cory snider.....a
    run/jump/slide catch that really did them in.
    
    	The Sox are not the 1st place team they pretend to be!!!
    The Indians outhit them in almost every game!  A few hits one
    way or the other and it could have been an Indians sweep!
    
    	Doug Jones...I like the way he wears his hat.....there is
    now way to see his eyes from the side.  He really has it curled
    around.  20 saves!  End of the year projection.....60 saves!
    
    	You could see the mind games being played last night.....
    Everytime the Tribe came to bat in extra innings....ol Doug
    Jones would get up and takes his tosses, but would not come in.
    A little signal to the bench......"I know your goen to do it!"
    
    
    	Way to go Cleveland!
    
    	Lets give Detroit some of their own medican.
    
    
    	The Chief!
    

    
    >    This might be the win the TRIBE needs to turn this recent skid around.

     The only way they'll turn any skids around is by putting their
    underwear on backwards.                             
    
    Dickster
    

    
    >    	The Sox are not the 1st place team they pretend to be!!!

    Sadly, most Red Sox realists acknowledge this. 8^(
    
    Dickster
    

    
    	Oh yea, Maldenaldo could also be out for some time.....
    
    	He got hurt getting the tieing run.  What a play that was too...
    Burnaski or what ever his name is could have touched first where
    he caught the ball and he still barrly got the ball to the plate...
    Maldenaldo hit penea pretty good though.....no one.....no one...
    could beleive he was running!
    
    	Hope he's not out too long!
    
    
    
    The Chief!
    

>    	He got hurt getting the tieing run.  What a play that was too...
>    Burnaski or what ever his name is could have touched first where
>    he caught the ball and he still barrly got the ball to the plate...
>    Maldenaldo hit penea pretty good though.....no one.....no one...
>    could beleive he was running!
 
	The throw was there in plenty of time.  Maldanado probably surprised 
him a bit but there was nothing wrong with Bruno's throw.  It was right 
through the cutoff man and one bounced to the plate, maybe two feet to the
first base side.  Pena should have held on and made the play, as the E-2 on
scored on the play indicates.  

Mike

    SWINDELL WAS NOT TOO BLAM LASTED NIHGT!!!  HISSS LEGG AVE OUT
    ON HIM JUST AS HE WUZ GETTING IN HIS GROOOVE!!  HOPE THES INJURIE
    WO"NT SIDELINE HIM TO LONG - HE'S THE BESTED PITCHURE IN THE
    LEAUGE WHEN HE'S HELTHIE.  AND DO'NT YOU FORGOT THAT!!!
    
    NAZZ

    
    	Mike,
    		The ball was way short...it took lots more than "one
    bounch" to get it to the catcher!  He should take some lessons from
    the man with the "real" arm.......CORY SNIDER!!!  The guy your talking
    about needs to also take some batting lessons!
    
    	The Chief!
    
    	WAHOOOOOOOO!
    

Check out Bruno's recent stats.  He needs batting lessons about
as much as I'd need tampons.

      Rolllliin`  Dickster!!!!!!!

   Mike JN

    Cooooooooooooooooooooooory!
    
    (formery  Jooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey!)

My Cory Snyder story:


When Snyder was in AA down wherever, he came into New Britain.  Well, 
the night he played there was that one night that every ball player
occasioally has where he could do NOTHING right.  He was a cold as
my twelve-years dead grandmother...

Well, after totally botching a grounder to third, he gets this wicked
high pop up in foul territory.  He camps under the thing, waits, waits
waits, waits, and then drops it.

Well, the crowd was on him with no mercy...Cooooorrrrrryyyyy, Coooorrrrryyy.
And they were getting nasty.

Finally, after he booted like his third ball of the inning, there was
a slight lull in the hoots and razzing, and I yelled 
"Hey Cory, it can't get this bad when you get to the majors...."

He looked over at me and just started to chuckle, and tipped his
cap.

He sucked the rest of the game too, but at least he was laughing about
it.

'Saw

>    		The ball was way short...it took lots more than "one
>    bounch" to get it to the catcher!  He should take some lessons from
>    the man with the "real" arm.......CORY SNIDER!!!  The guy your talking
>    about needs to also take some batting lessons!
 
	I remember it being a one hopper and Pena fielding it to his right but
not realy having to move to get it.  It hopped right after passing the
cutoff man.  Anyone want to help settle this?

	Of course the guy doesn't have an arm like Snyder (not many people have
a cannon like that) but Cory isn't batting .322 as Bruno has, and Bruno has 5 
HR's and 27 Rbi in his 25 games with the sox while Cory is batting .254 with 
5HR's and 39 RBI in almost twice as many games (49).

Mc 
    

    
    	Ok Mc, tell me what his stats were against the Indians in this
    last series.....  How many times did he strike out?  Many!  And,
    the ball he threw into the infield was one of the slowest balls
    thrown by a right fielder.  It took at least 3 to 4 bounces to get
    to the plate.  Pena really didn't have the time to cover up the
    ball.
    
    	On to bigger and better things...the Tribe won its third game
    in a row last night with Bud Black going the full 9 innings!
    	Sandy Alomar went 3 for 4 and continues smacking the ball!
    This is a catcher for you!  All Star bound!
    
    	
    	WAHOOOOO!
    
    		THE CHIEF!
    

�    	Ok Mc, tell me what his stats were against the Indians in this
�    last series.....  How many times did he strike out?  Many!  And,
�    the ball he threw into the infield was one of the slowest balls
�    thrown by a right fielder.  It took at least 3 to 4 bounces to get
�    to the plate.  Pena really didn't have the time to cover up the
�    ball.

Bullshit.

I saw the replay last night on the news.  The ball came into Pena
on one hop.  He was up and turned around and the runner hit him 
pretty hard and he dropped it.  It's the second time I've seen the
replay, so if I'm missing a few of those bounces, maybe it's
because I'm sweating so much 8^)

'Saw    

    
    	Hm, If I didn't see the ball bounce more than once then.....
    
    	Oh, Oh, It must have been my own bouncing around.....
    
    	The Chief
    

Massive Cahuna Collisions(tm), film @ 11.....


I'm you know what ;^)

'aw

    What's the latest on the condition of Swindell and Maldonado?
    
    
    py

    
    	The Indians lost last night in another game they should have
    won.....they had their chances once again.  8th inning, Maldonado
    doubles and gets replaced by webster at 2nd, no outs......next 
    batter....ground out, Jacoby.....fouled out, Alomar......ground out.
    Orosco is to blame for this one though.....no out and a guy on first
    is when he comes in.....The guy on first steals 2nd...Alomars throw
    was way high or he would have gotten him, next batter singles him
    to third.  The hit I really thing could have been caught by Cory but
    for some reason he stayed back and picked it up on the bounce....
    the run probibly would have scored anyway because the ball was hit
    deep.  The runner on third stayed on the base anyway though....
    
    Maldonado injury is a hamstring pull and is day to day...he is not
    playing the field.  As DH, he still swings the bat.  One of his
    hits was a high bouncer.....he couldn't beat it out.....a healthy
    Candy and it would have been a single.
    
    No word on how Swindell is doing though...
    
    
    The Chief
    

    The ball bounced once to Pena.  
    
    Methinks Hal's judgement gets clouded by his passion for big balls.
    
    	--dan'l

    
    	Well, it sure was a slooooooooow bouncer!  

    Re: a couple back......
    
    Let me see if I understand this correctly......
    
    Orosco was to blame for the loss because......his catcher threw too
    high to second to get a runner a good throw would have
    gotten....and.....because Cory Snyder didn't put a hard enough charge
    on to get a ball he had a chance at getting!!  Is this synopsis right?
    
    I think Orosco should be beaten and quartered for not having more
    control over his teammates performances!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    And just out of curiosity,  Hal.....do your comments make
    sense.....even to YOU?
    
    
    
    Warmest regards,
    
    Nelly

    
    	Ok, to begin with Orosco was making a big thing about the fellow
    on first.  The guy on first was just jumping up and down, Orosco
    was so concerned with him that he forgot about the hitter.  Orosco
    was the pitcher at the time the winning run was scored.  Orosco
    was so figgity on the mound, it was nerve recking.  I think he lost
    the game for the tribe.  If he could have gotten the batter to hit
    the ball on the ground...the game would have been over....
    
    	Now for Cory.....No, I don't blame him for the game being lost
    either...if you would have read the note better...it said that the
    run would have scored anyway.  The ball was hit to the warning track
    with the runner on third.  The guy on third tagged up anyway....
    Cory may have felt the same way.....why take the risk of an injury
    for a run that will score anyway.......
    
    	The Chief...
    

    
    
    The ball was hit down the right field line.  Cory moved to
    his left to pick up the ball on one bounce.  Had he caught the
    ball, the runner would have tagged and scored from third - reason:
    he would have had to dove to catch the ball.  He probably didn't
    dive becaues he knew the run would score anyways and if he had missed
    the ball, since it was down the line, it would have went to the fence
    and the hitter would have had and easy double and possibly more.  
    

    Whitey,
    
    If YOU read MY note better, you would realize that I was commenting
    more on your noting/writing style (ie. poor logic).....however
    unNotesfile-etiquette-ish as that may be.....than on the fact that
    Snyder made the right/wrong play.
    
    To TRY and help you understand how *I* read your note.........
    
    You said that Orosco was to blame.  Then you immediately related how
    the catcher threw high in an attempt to get the runner, and how the
    right fielder did not go after a ball as best as he perhaps could
    have.  Having not seen the game and having only YOUR account to go by,
    it appeared to this reader that there was NO logic evident in your
    note.
    
    
    
    Shlep tish phoe,
    
    
    Nelly

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    It is sometimes difficult to read your replies, because you often times
    lose control and all objectivity.  How many times did Brunansky's throw
    from right field bounce?  Know what a mean?
    
    					Steve

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wasniahC

    
    Whitehair is illogical... what does that make the fools who believe
    in the Sox year after year, only to be let down.  Atleast in Cleveland
    we know the team sucks (boston that is!)

    re my own question on Greg Swindell a bunch back:
    
    A note in GUNGHO::BB_STATS says that he's not expected to miss his next
    start.
    
    
    py

The opposition will be happy to hear that....

daryll

    
    Thanks Paul.....a little support helps every now and again!
    	
    	Now, for the way I write.....Oh well.....sometimes I get confused
    myself....You have to admit though...some information is better
    than none at all!
    
    	I do have to admit...I am biased toward the Cleveland teams...
    I must have been brainwashed!  I really think it is because my Dad
    was around when the 1954 Indians won the American Title.  I wonder
    about this myself.....and you know....I think my kid is also becomming
    brain washed!  Do I buy him Boston shirts to wear???  NO!  I get
    him the Dawg Pound shirts!!!  The Indians shirts....The Cavs shirts...
    What can i say???  He loves the teams just as much as I!
    
    	Now, onto last nights game.....the Indians lose...for the 2nd
    time in a row...  Who is to blam......C. Fielder!  Thats who!  I
    have to hand it to the Tigers though....they swept the series in
    Cleveland and now take 2 of 3 in Detroit.  
    
    	Back in Cleveland, they take on the Brewers....Candiotti takes
    the mound for the Tribe...
    
    	That is some good news about Swindell though...He has pitched
    well enough to win his last two games but as luck has it......he
    gets a no decision.  I imagine he will be pitching Saturday.
    
    	
    	The Chief.....
    			WAHOOOOO!

    
    
    
    		SWEEP
    
    			SWEEP
    
    				SWEEP
    
    					SWEEP
    
    
    
    		WAHOOOOOOOOO!
    
    
    	The Chief...
    

    
    
    Jackmasters of diseaster...
    
    BACK
    
         to
    
            BACK
      
                 to
    
                    BACK  (gone!)

    
    	The Indians broke a record for this year last Friday at the
    Cleveland Stadium for the largest attendance of the season.....
    
    
    			6 3 , 0 0 0   fans
    	
    	and they were treated to a big WIN!  I wish I was there.
    
    	The Tribe also came close to tieing a major league record, 4
    back to back home runs Sunday.  The Indians got 3 back to back dingers.
    Maldenado  #1, Jacoby  #2, Snyder  #3.........
    
    	The Indians bats are alive!  Jacoby and Snyder are big reasons.....
    Snyder has hit 4 big homers in the last 12 games and Jacoby has
    been taking the cover off the ball.
    
    	Hurnandez just came off the disabled list resently.....the Front
    Office wanted him to go to the minors for some rehabilitation but
    he would not go....so....he played in Sundays game...his first at
    bat, hits a double and hurts himself again.  He is out again.........
    
    	Alomar is hurt.......with a pulled hamstring musskle.  Don't
    know how long he will be out.
    
    	The Chief................WAHOOOOOOOOO!
    

>    	The Indians broke a record for this year last Friday at the
>    Cleveland Stadium for the largest attendance of the season.....
>    
>    
>    			6 3 , 0 0 0   fans
    
    What was the gimick?
    

    The only thing that would bring 63,000 Clevescumers' out of their
    sludge pits for a night:
    
    
    Bernie Kosar Used Prophylactic Night
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    -1
    
    	It was oil night......an oil company in town, SOHIO I think,
    bought 50,000 tickets and gave them away...probibly if you bought
    200.00 worth of oil you get two free tickets.
    
    	The Chief
    

    
    Please disreguard that last note.....
    
    I was just a the Stadium recently and what a change has taken place
    there.  The parking lot totally finished.  You don't enter the lot
    from the lake side anymore.....when you arrive, you drive to the
    Indian in the sky..  On the right side of the stadium now there
    are no roads but a nice...very nice park that reaches to the lake.
    Lots of flowers...boats, etc...they have really changed things
    around!  For the better I might add!  
    
    The fact that FaKe overthere says its a sludge pit and dump is
    totally untrue.  The truth to the mater is that Fake goes to
    those types of places though.....ya know.....dumpy places.
    Trash hole bars where the bugs crawl up your a$$.  
    
    Just remember....Cleveland Stadium
    
    			Home of the 
    
    			1 9 9 0
    
    			A M E R I C A N
    
    			L E A G U E 
    
    			E A S T 
    
    			C H A M P S
    
    	
    
    I hope, I hope, I hope.......
    
    
    	The Chief
    

    Hey Whitescum:
    
    
    A turd(ie Clevescum's stadium) dressed up is still a turd.
    
    JaKe
    
    

    
    The last thing I heard is that they are building a new stadium and
    turning the existing stadium into a prison.  Has anything changed?
    
    \pjb

    
    Even changing the stadium into a prison couldn't hold back the 
    
    
    			D A W G S ! ! ! 
    
    
    

    re.308
    
    The conditions for visiting teams make it seem like a prison.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    
    Candiotti was squeezed last night!!!  
    
    
    The Chief
    

    
    Not to mention some poor hussle by Cory...........again.
    
    	Two balls could have been caught, but, he didn't really bother
    jumping for them.....just let them fall. 
    
    	I feel that if your going for the title....you have to put out
    110%!  He may have a good arm, but, I think I would trade it in
    for some good hussle and determination!
    
    	The Chief...
    

    Great crowd last night, Cheif.
    
    Rich
    

        Great crowd last night, Cheif. (TM)
    

    
    You have to admit though......the first 4 innings would have anyone
    be quite.  Geeesh!  12 players left on base after 4!  Whats that
    say for the oreo's hitting???  By the way, I hate those new hats
    youse guys wear!
    
    

    
    The Sons of Geronimo take game 3 away from the Birds and win in
    the 10th on a bases loaded infield single.
    	It was a great game!  McNamara wanted this game bad!!!  You
    could tell.  He didn't stop for nothing!  Bringing in Valdez for
    middle relief to snuff the Birds.  Valdez was scheduled to pitch
    today, but won't now.  
    	Cory Snyder made a big first inning throw from right field
    to get the runner at the plate, stoping a possible big first inning
    for the Birds.  I think I would rather have a person on the team
    with a great arm than one that hussles any day!  :-)
    	Bearga gets another pinch hit double that ties the game.  What
    a guy this Bearga is!  I think he is batting over 500 as a pinch
    hitter.  
    	Great game, Great series.
    
    	The Chief...
    
    

    Hey Chief, I see there were 12,400 fans packed into Municipal Stadium
    for that battle last night.
    
    Rich
    

    
    	Well, what do you expect with a team like the Birds in town!
    
    	I don't think I would have gone either...
    
    		Same outcome....different day!
    
    	The Chief...
    

    Mi Orials ar tha onlee reesun dat der wher soo manee peepul inn
    tha stadeeum las nite.
    
    ma
    

    Seriously, Chief, what is the feeling of the players out there who
    are playing in such a cavernous arena with so few people watching?
    Does it affect them at all?
    
    Rich
    

    
    	Does anyone have the score to yesterdays game???  (Tuesday).
    
    	The chief.
    
    

    
    Tribe lost yesterday afternoon... but Nagy looked good on the mound.
    Look for Nagy to stick as the 5th starter...

    Paul, tell us again how the Tribe has a better pitching staff than the
    Sox.

    
    Mac, the Tribe has a better pitching staff than the Sox.
    
    Don't tell me... now your a sox fan... don't you get confused
    jumping all around?

    Ahem.
    
    Groaner, Mac has been a Red Sox fan since day one.
    
    Hope that hurt.
    
    Mark.

    Re. Clevland has a better staff
    
    Hey Groaner,what staff ????
    
    
    Ill agree Cleveland has a better Janitorial crew because by
    the end of the game theres no one to pick up after.
    
    
    
    Go RedSox
    Tom
    

>    Tribe lost yesterday afternoon... but Nagy looked good on the mound.
>    Look for Nagy to stick as the 5th starter...

	He got sent to AAA...

	HTH,

	Jim M

    
    With Mac as manager... who knows what will happen... sure, we need
    a 1b... lets trade for Ken Phelps instead of moving jacoby to 1b
    and putting baerga or manto at 1st...   Mac is a bonehead... the
    guy will go with the 47 year old vet over the youngster every
    time!  DUMP MAC!  DUMP MAC!
    
    Tom, the Sox staffs Sux... hope this helps...

>    Mac is a bonehead... the guy will go with the 47 year old vet 
>    over the youngster every

    Which was one of the reasons he was railroaded out of Boston.
    
    Mark.

    
    
    That's why I prayed he didn't get hired in Cleveland...  when he
    did, I knew it would be a boneheaded move for me to protect
    Joey Belle in my rotis league...

    
    Tribe goes to the break 40-42...  but still only 6 games back.
    
    Phelps is a stiff...
    
    Phelps is a stiff...
    
    Three injun all-stars... Jacoby, Jones and Alomar.
    
    Phelps is a stiff...
    
    Swindell pitched another solid game last friday...
    
    Phelps is a stiff...

    
    Phelps only plays against right hand pitchers.....
    	Give him some time....we need left hand power.....
    
    
    	The Chief.
    

    Why was Brookens starting at 3B last night?
    
    
    py

    
    Brookens starting at 3b... same reason Phelps plays at all... Mac
    likes aging stiffs!
    
    Move Jacoby to 1b and put baerga at 3b!  DO IT!
    

    Brookens has been playing some good ball!!!
    
    	The Chief...
    

    Great crowd last night, hey Chief?
    
    Rich
    

    
    	Yea Rich, especially when the birds come to town...ya know,
    	everyone wants to see them aeee...
    
    	The Chief...
    

    
    	What a crowd this last weekend.....
    
    		49,899 for the double header Saturday...
    
    		39,000+ for the Sunday game...
    
    	See what happens when a *Good* team comes to town.
    
    	And...the bigest crowd of the season belongs to the tribe...
    
    	The Chief
    
    

    You Tribe fans slay me.  Your team sniffs so badly that you have
    to rave about the crowd.
    
    Too funny!
    
    Mark.

    
    	Just stating a clear fact!  
    
    	Want to talk some crap...
    
    	The tribe has been playing well over the last month!  I hope
    	that Ferrell comes back and finishes well...if he does...watch
    	out!  With Candiotti, Black and Swindell, the tribe will be
    	hard to beat!  Swindell keeps getting better and better!  Black
    	has also been throwing some good ball!  
    
    	Just hope that the hitting comes up a tad!
    
    	The Chief...
    

    
    
    Yeah, the tribe sniffs so bad that they're only 6 out...  we shall
    see...  but as a tribe fan, we've got the ace in the hole..
    "THE SOX ALWAYS CHOKE!"   The only question is when?

    
    	The tribe is playing some very good ball here of late!!!
    	3 of 4 from a highly rated Seattle team.  Naggy gets the
    	loss yesterday.  Hope Ferrel gets off the disabled list 
    	sooooooon!  All the starters are pitching better now than
    	they have all year.  
    
    	About Mac.....keep him there!  He has done a B job so far
    	this year and has given the new guys a chance.  Look at
    	Webster for one.....and he keeps going to Seinez in the
    	bull pen.  
    
    	About Phelps....We'll see what happens to him once Hernandez
    	starts playing 1st regularly....if he can.
    
    	The Sons of Geronimo take it to Oakland today with Nipper...
    
    
    
    	The Chief...
    

    
    Have a clue Cheif... Webster is a MAC-DREAM (tm) player... he's over
    30!  He's given Seanez a shot in the bullpen because he's had no other
    choice...
    
    Give Baerga a shot and sit down the Phelps (and keep Hernandez out)...
    and have his stop jerking around with Cory Snyder.  He's mouthing off
    in the papers that Snyder is playing for his own stats and not the
    team.  I look at his stats and say, "gee, if he weren't playing for 
    his own stats, he'd probably be in the minors!"  Give the guy a 
    break!  If they don't like him in the OF, move him to SS and dump
    Felix "the stiff" Fermin!

    
    Indians win last night 6-1.  They're playing an AWESOME .200 ball
    over the past 10 games, but still haven't lost any ground... still
    4 1/2 out.
    
    The question now is not who will win the AL East, but will any
    of the teams finish over .500!

    Hey Hal how'd the Indians do this weekend,I know you were hoping
    for a sweep against the cellar dwelling Yanks.
    
    
    Tom

    
    	Tom,
    		As I'm sure you know...they lost 4 of 5.  What a bummer!
    They did not look good.  No pitching and No hitting.  Lets hope
    for a good Aug.  I still think they have a chance...but...its getting
    smaller.  All I know is that the Browns play this Saturday...Hall
    of Fame game.
    
    	The Chief,
    
    			WAHOOOOO!
    

    Yanks playing the spoiler role.. cant wait for the sox in  september
    
                             
    dinz
    

Dinz,

Judging from the smell emanating from NY, the Yankees have 
already spoiled....

daryll

    
    Alex C. gets 5 stolden bases in yesterdays game...Go Tribe!
    
    	Does anyone know what the Major League record is?
    
    	It breaks the old tribe record set in 1934...
    
    	This guy, alex has stold 8 out of 8 bases sence being called
    up from AAA in just 8 games.  He also went 2 for 2 with 2 runs
    scored and 1 rbi.  He's taking Candy's spot in the line up.
    
    
    	The Chief,
    
    			WAHOOO!
    

    
    All us Cory Snyder rotis owners are hoping that Mac has enough
    sense to put Snyder at SS for 18 more games... so he qualifies 
    there for next season... GO GO GO!
    

    
    "1990 Stolen Base Crown" Watch...
    
    
    Rickey Henderson     49 of 55
    Alex Cole            18 of 20
    
    Cole is averaging roughly a steal a game...
    
    At his current pace, he'll finish with 59.
    At Henderson's current pace, he'll finish with 71.
    Cole needs to pick up the pace a little!

    Yeah, at his current pace he would still finish 1 behind Vince Coleman
    today. Coleman just broke 60 two nights ago.
    
    Don't forget Coleman was the quickest in history to reach 400, and
    has more than half of Rickey's record in less than half the years.
    
    
    10 years from now will probably be in the 1500 range.
    
    John

    Interesting note I read in George Will's _Men At Work_.
    
    Cleveland hasn't finished within 10 games of the title in 21 years.
    
    Congrats.
    
    Mark.

    Big crowd at the game last night, Chief.  Did ya watch all nine
    innings?  Are the Great Lakes a breeding ground for gnats?  Both
    Cleveland and Toronto had problems last night.
    
    					Steve

    
    re: .358
    
    Watch it Mark...  Volvo drivers shouldn't talk.  Fill "the terrorist"
    Bailey is one of the Top 5 most violent cats in the Terrace Condominium
    complex and rumor has it that he's about to break the Leominster Top
    10.

    
    This note is kinda quite when your SWEPT up by the Bosox....
    Doug Jones is "GOD" 
    and God loves the Red Sox...
    I see John Mac is completely gray now...if he stays in Cleveland
    his hair will start falling out...
    Cleveland Indiangivers...what a gift last night..
    
    Pre-American League championship series this week Sept.3.4.5 
    
    kw

    Jumped off the Yankee bandwagon, Kev??!!

    Not really Karen...just want you Red Sox fans to feel what its like to 
    cheer on a world series champion...if the yanks don't get there the
    next team I'd like to see there are our bitter rivals from B-town.
    
    good luck!!
    
    Still a yanks fan
    kw

    
    re: -1, -3 ... sounds like a front runner to me. 
    
    /Jeff                

    
    Cleveland plays Boston two more times... right before the Sox
    take on the Jays in the second last series of the season.  If the
    Sox were to fold, I wouldn't be surprised, they've made some very
    impressive folds in the past...
    
    During the Sox-Yanks game last night they mentioned that the day
    the Sox won their last world series was 9-4-18...  same order
    as the sox retired numbers...  9 4 1 8... so I really don't see
    the sox having another world title until almost 2 decades into
    the 21st century...  as in 9-4-2018.

    The day the Indians picked Mac for their coach, I predicted they'd
    finish last.  Glad to see Mac amanaging them down to that level.
    
    Hargrove deserved the job.  The INdians would be in third if they
    gave him the position.
    
    NAZZ

    
    Dump Mac!

    Great crowd at Cleveland last night.  I'd guess it was over 100,000...
    
    
    
    	...gnats and mosquitoes.
    
    --dan'l

       At least we know where all the bugs in the world spend their summer!
                                   Denny

    
    re: -1
    
    The only good thing that ever left Boston was an empty bus!

       Right slasher, none of 'em wanted to go back to 'bug-burg'.
                                                  Denny

    
    Wattsamatta? Can't the "Sops of Geronimo" hold onto a late-inning lead?
    
    I swear, Johnny Mac must have done something to blow the game, knowing
    he would boot his old Sox buddies out of firsted place by booting the
    game.
    
    But what the hell, Morgan's sending in Wes Gardner in the late innings
    yesterday made Johnny Mac look like a frockin' genius.
    
    Dickster
    

    
    Tribe loses to Jays... go Jays...  now all they've got to do is
    beat the Sox two straight (with candiotti and Swindell) and the
    Jays will be in great shape....
    
    re: -1
    
    Typical Sox fan... why can't the Jays lose...?  My response... 
    why can't the sox win?
    

    
    Injuns sip!  When does indoor soccer start?
    

    
    
    I should think the Sox fans should be damn happy with the way the tribe
    handled the Jays this weekend..  Noone else has been able to take a 
    series from them the last few weeks..  
    
    Can't wait to see the Tribe push Boston a few more games back this 
    week.   

    
    
    Tribe should take atleast 2 out of 2 from Boston (tonight and 
    tomorrow).  I wouldn't be surprised that when the tribe wins
    both games by 10+ runs, the league doesn't award them an additional
    victory.
    
    Go Tribe, Sweep Sox!

    Today's USA Today reports that the Tribe's team batting average is up
    22 points over last season.
    
    
    py

    
    Its not because of Phelps and Hernandez... that's for sure!
    

    
    or because of Snyder!!!  Thank goodness he is gone!!!

    
    re: -1
    
    Right...  Its all because of Snyder...  I'm glad you're not the gm!
    

    
    	I just said Snyder!  He was the loafer on the club.  
    
    	And I must say, I was the first to say get rid of Allison,
    remember!	And what happened....they do!  Now they have the 
    rookie of the year.......need I say more?
    
    

    
    re: -1
    
    I don't remember the Indians trading Allenson for Alomar.  With
    Alomar around, they had no need for Allenson.  Their 2nd string
    catcher Joel Skinner if far superior to Allenson defensively
    anyways.
    
    Snyder a loafer... the guy has one bad season... waive him...
    noone else will pick him up (right?!)
    

    
    	I said last year....I never said the Indians traded Allenson
    for Alomar...  What I said last year was to just get rid of Allenson.
    He was unproductive and could throw out my grandmother at 2nd.
    	Now about Snyder... I just feel that he never husseled in the
    field and that he hasn't been productive at the plate for the last
    two years.  He sends out the attitude that he didn't care.  Maybe
    he will play better for another club.  
    	Hmmm, I think that I've watched him play a little more than
    you.  I know that doesn't make me the expert but, it gives me more
    insite to what is going on in the field and at the plate.  How about
    some stats on him...what is his average with men in scoreing posisiton.
    
    	
    

    
    How do you know that you've watched the Tribe play more than 
    I have?

    
    Well, for one........I receive the Ohio Sports Channel....not that
    its a biggy, mind you.  But, they televise about every 3rd game....
    thats not saying that I've watched every 3rd game either but, I'm
    still willing to make a bet that I have, unfortunately, watched
    a few more games than you.  And, I'm not bragging.  I just seen
    Snyder loaf too often and its not pleasent watching him strike out
    practically every other time.

    The Ohio Sports Channel ????
    
    HAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!
    
    Yo, LiteLocks, tell me what do they show :
    
    Competetive Sheep Snatching ?
    HubCap Tossing (Cleveland)
    Name The Trailor Park (That Gets Hit By The Tornado) ?
    Sync. Swimming In Lake Erie ?
    
    Come on, enquiring minds wanna know !!!!!!

    
    re:  Ohio Sports Channel
    
    	I beleive they showed over 60 Cleveland Indians games...
    
    	They telecast all Youngstown Heat games...
    
    	Weekly Browns updates
                                             
    	All Browns pre-season games
    
    	Weekly Cavs updates
    
    	Most of the other stuff can be found on all sports channels...
    ie:  Minnisota, New York, Chicago, etc...

    
    Hey, if I had a dish, I'd be tuning into Ohio Sports Channel
    regularly...
    

    
    Mine is for sale..........lets make a deal!
    

    
    
    Sure, the condo association would love that... maybe I can just 
    mount it on a truck and park it in the lot!
    

    Betcha if you worked a time-share and showed a few of those adult
    movies you produce, the condo association wouldn't mind a bit. :-) :-)
    :-) :-)
    
    Pay per view gets a new twist ....

    
    
    No comments on the trade of Coooooooory Snyder to the White Sox?  
    
    Anyone have any stats for the two pitchers the tribe picked up in the 
    deal.  
    
    /Jeff