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| 14.2 | Hawks still in it | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Yabba Dabba Dooooo | Fri Dec 15 1989 10:22 | 12 |
| Charles,
Believe it or not, the Seattle Seahawks are still in the playoff
hunt, even though 6-8. Sure, a ton of things have to happen, but
for accuracy sake, the 'Hawks are still in it in the AFC West.
And don't even think about asking me what has to happen for them
to make it, but I think they have a better chance clearing the Ballard
Locks of the steelhead depleting California Sea Lions than the
Hawks making the 'offs.
JD
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| 14.3 | Carryover from ASABET::SPORTS | CSCOA3::ROLLINS_R | | Fri Dec 15 1989 11:54 | 36 |
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Note 327.34 NFL Playoff Picture 1989 Season 34 of 36
NAC::G_WAUGAMAN 44 lines 14-DEC-1989 18:04
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> Also, if the Redskins lose *any* game, they *are* eliminated, even if it's
> the non-conference game. If the Redskins, Packers, and Rams are tied at
> 9-7, the Pack drops out with only a 9-5 conference record (Wash/LA at 8-4)
> and the Rams win the above tie-breaker. If the Redskins, Vikings, and Rams
> are tied at 9-7 with 8-4 conference records, common opponents looks like:
> Common Opp WASH MINN LA
> Chicago 1-0 1-1 0-1
> NY Giants 0-2 0-1 1-0
> Atlanta 1-0 1-0 2-0
> --- --- ---
> 2-2 2-2 3-1
> L.A. wins the tie-breaker, Washington and Minnesota go home...
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Note 327.36 NFL Playoff Picture 1989 Season 36 of 36
LUDWIG::JAMES 11 lines 14-DEC-1989 23:07
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> re -.2
> Except common opponents has a minimum of four games. So in the event
> of a three way 9-7 tie between the Redskins, the Vikings, and the
> Rams, it would go to net point in conference games. Since the Redskins
> still have one conference game to play, this is still undetermined.
Hmm, 2+2=4, 2+2=4, 3+1=4. Which of the three teams doesn't meet the
minimum criterion of 4 games against common opponents. Remember, it's
four GAMES, not four opponents.
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| 14.4 | LA out? | 34905::WIERSBECK | Winter basically stinks! | Fri Dec 15 1989 15:30 | 6 |
| I can't see how the Rams would get in over the Vikes in a tie-breaker.
The Vikes beat LA this year in their only meeting. I'm pretty sure
head-to-head is the first tie-breaker.
Spud
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| 14.5 | | CSCOA3::ROLLINS_R | | Fri Dec 15 1989 15:46 | 4 |
| In a three-way tie between Minnesota, LA, and Washington, the
head-to-head situation is enforced only if one opponent has
beaten BOTH of the other two teams it is tied with. Otherwise,
this criterion is just skipped.
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| 14.6 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | The DevilDog Will Hunt You Down | Fri Dec 15 1989 15:47 | 3 |
| re -1
Doesn't matter, the Vikes will win the central. Hell, they play
CLEVELAND!!!
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| 14.7 | HTH | RIGEL4::JBONNO | | Fri Dec 15 1989 15:52 | 6 |
| Devil dog
Please refer to 35.6. This may clear up all the hallucinations you are
experiencing right now.
jab
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| 14.8 | Bring On The Clowns ! | QUASER::HUNTER | Jack's Diner, No Brains, No Service | Fri Dec 15 1989 16:12 | 17 |
| I think the Devil Dog is right on target with his last statement,
hell, the Jesters could beat the Clowns at this stage of the season.
the Clowns are absolutly terrible and they will continue to get worse.
count on the Clowns being home for Chirstmas....... I'm talking to
you, Growner !!
Big Game
p.s. All this and the fact is, I'd like to see the Clowns and the
Packers win..... That would put the Pack back in a tie with
the Dykes and in the position to win the division.
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| 14.9 | Browns control own destiny | SNDCSL::HAUSRATH | Who,Stones in '89. Zep in '90 | Mon Dec 18 1989 08:14 | 5 |
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RE: Devil dog and Big-Joke Hunter.. I expect to see both of you in the
Crow Cafe... if it doesn't exist yet, why don't you create it.
Bon-Apetite
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| 14.11 | AFC Playoff tie-breakers | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Dec 18 1989 09:14 | 99 |
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Okay, as promised, the AFC playoff possibilities computer whirred into
action last night during the Raiders-Seahawks game, and when the 'Hawks
obliged by knocking off the previously playoff-bound Raiders, what was
left was the most complex playoff scenario in NFL history. Ten teams can
still make the playoffs, and each of the ten can still be eliminated.
Denver remains as the only team with a playoff berth.
First the easy stuff (teams controlling own destiny):
- Buffalo wins the AFC East with a win over the NY Jets
- Cleveland-Houston winner is the AFC Central champ
- Indianapolis clinches at least a Wild Card with a win over New Orleans
Now the hard stuff:
- Cleveland can make the Wild Card even with a loss if two of three teams
lose from *each* of the following groups:
o Buff, Indy, Miami
o Cinci, Pitt, LA
- Kansas City can make the Wild Card with a win over Miami if
o two of three teams lose from the (Buff, Indy, Miami) group
*and* o Cinci, Pitt, LA all lose
- Seattle can make the Wild Card with a win over Washington if
o Miami beats KC
o Buffalo, Indy, Cin, Pitt, and LA lose
Now the interesting part:
*Five* teams can finish at 9-7, 6-6 (or 7-7) in conference play: Houston
(with a loss to Cleveland), Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Miami, and LA. The
table below lists all tie-breaker combinations between these teams. If
Buffalo and Indy both win next week to finish at 9-7, both clinch playoff
spots and only *one* 9-7, 6-6 in-conference team from the table can take a
Wild Card. If either Buffalo *or* Indy loses next week, *two* teams from
the table can claim wild cards (remove Miami if they win and both
Buffalo-Indy lose).
Teams which can tie at 9-7, 6-6 (or 7-7) in-conference:
Winner
------
Hou Cinci Cinci ;divisional record
Hou Pitt Hou ;head-to-head
Hou Miami Hou ;head-to-head
Hou LA Hou ;head-to-head
Hou Cinci Pitt Cinci ;divisional record
Hou Cinci Miami Cinci ;common opponents
Hou Cinci LA Cinci ;net points
Hou Pitt Miami Hou ;head-to-head
Hou Pitt LA Hou ;head-to-head
Hou Miami LA Hou ;head-to-head
Hou Cinci Pitt Miami Cinci ;net points
Hou Cinci Pitt LA Cinci ;net points
Hou Cinci Miami LA Cinci ;net points
Hou Pitt Miami LA Hou ;head-to-head
Hou Cinci Pitt Miami LA Cinci ;net points
Cinci Pitt Cinci ;head-to-head
Cinci Miami Miami ;head-to-head
Cinci LA LA ;head-to-head
Cinci Pitt Miami Cinci ;common opponents
Cinci Pitt LA Cinci ;net points
Cinci Miami LA LA ;common opponents
Cinci Pitt Miami LA Cinci ;net points
Pitt Miami Pitt ;head-to-head
Pitt LA LA ;common opponents
Pitt Miami LA LA ;common opponents
Miami LA LA ;common opponents
Comments: Pittsburgh and Miami are at the bottom of the pile, as they win
*only* head-to-head tie-breakers with Miami and Cinci,
respectively, if one wild card is available from above.
If two tie-breakers are available from above table,
Pittsburgh and Miami can still get in if they tie with
Miami and Cinci, respectively, and with *no more* than one
other team.
Cincinnati holds 12 of their 15 tie-breakers and is in pretty
good shape if they beat Minnesota next week. They can only
be knocked out in that event if:
o (Buff, Indy, Hou) win *and* (Pitt) loses *and*
(Mia *or* LA) win
*or* o (Buff *or* Indy) lose *and* (Hou) wins *and*
(Pitt) loses *and* (Mia *and* LA) win
Houston holds 7 of their 15 tie-breakers, so they'd be advised
to beat Cleveland if they want to get in.
LA only holds 5 of their 15 tie-breakers, so they're with
Pittsburgh and Miami hoping for things to happen.
--glenn
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| 14.12 | Brought that computer to its' knees... | WORDS::NISKALA | Freezing my Filberts off! | Mon Dec 18 1989 09:22 | 3 |
| Thanks Glenn for putting that stuff in. I was wondering who
had the best chances of getting in. It made it slightly clearer
than mud.
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| 14.13 | | LUNER::BROOKS | With the new and improved node ... | Mon Dec 18 1989 10:18 | 11 |
| Glenn suppose HOuston and Cleveland tie ? And Cincy wins by forfit
over the Vikes, and Miami has to pospone their game and I CAN TAKEITNAY
MONREALLOFTHOSELIGHTSBEEPINGANDFLASHINGANDBLINKING !!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAHHHGGGGHHHHHH !!!!!!!!
There, I feel sooo much better .... :-)
Seriously, how much did Cincy really help themselves by running
up the score ?
DrM
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| 14.14 | Really was an issue | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Dec 18 1989 10:30 | 12 |
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Cincinnati's net points was an issue, sort of. They moved from +8
to +62 net in-conference. That bests their closest rival in a net
points tie-breaker, the Raiders (+23), by 39 points. So, they could
have used a comfortable margin of victory, but didn't need 54 points.
But you don't expect a head football coach to be that up on such
trivialities, do you? If someone told Wyche he needed a big win for
tie-breaker possibilities (which he did), I'm sure he had no idea where
to stop. Especially since it felt so good...
glenn
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| 14.15 | | LEVERS::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Mon Dec 18 1989 10:46 | 8 |
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agh. need help understanding .11
what happens if miami, houston and pittsburgh finish with 9-7
records (only those 3 teams)? Houston gets the home field for the
wild card game but against whom?
sean
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| 14.16 | | REFINE::MISURACA | | Mon Dec 18 1989 12:43 | 1 |
| Against Pittsburgh, since the Steelers beat Miami during the season.
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| 14.17 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Dec 18 1989 12:44 | 12 |
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Re. -1
If only those three teams finish at 9-7, Houston wins on head-to-head
competition. Then Pittsburgh advances over Miami based on head-to-head
play. So Pittsburgh would visit Houston.
That scenario requires losses by LA, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and (Indy
or Buffalo), however.
glenn
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| 14.18 | Errata for (Cle,KC) and details for LA, Hou @9-7 | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Dec 18 1989 12:48 | 115 |
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Okay, as promised, the AFC playoff possibilities computer whirred into
action last night during the Raiders-Seahawks game, and when the 'Hawks
obliged by knocking off the previously playoff-bound Raiders, what was
left was the most complex playoff scenario in NFL history. Ten teams can
still make the playoffs, and each of the ten can still be eliminated.
Denver remains as the only team with a playoff berth.
First the easy stuff (teams controlling own destiny):
- Buffalo wins the AFC East with a win over the NY Jets
- Cleveland-Houston winner is the AFC Central champ
- Indianapolis clinches at least a Wild Card with a win over New Orleans
Now the hard stuff:
- Kansas City can make the Wild Card with a win over Miami if
o (Buff *or* Indy) lose
*and* o three of four teams lose from (Cinci, Pitt, LA, Cle) lose
or if
o (Buff *and* Indy) win
*and* o Cinci, Pitt, LA, Cle all lose
- Cleveland can make the Wild Card even with a loss if
o (Buff *or* Indy) lose
*and* o Cinci, Pitt, and LA all lose
or if
o (Buff *and* Indy) lose *and* Miami wins
*and* o two of three teams lose from (Cinci, Pitt, LA)
- Seattle can make the Wild Card with a win over Washington if
o Miami beats KC
o Buffalo, Indy, Cin, Pitt, and LA lose
Now the interesting part:
*Five* teams can finish at 9-7, 6-6 (or 7-7) in conference play: Houston
(with a loss to Cleveland), Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Miami, and LA. The
table below lists all tie-breaker combinations between these teams. If
Buffalo and Indy both win next week to finish at 9-7, both clinch playoff
spots and only *one* 9-7, 6-6 in-conference team from the table can take a
Wild Card. If either Buffalo *or* Indy loses next week, *two* teams from
the table can claim wild cards (remove Miami if they win and both
Buffalo-Indy lose).
Teams which can tie at 9-7, 6-6 (or 7-7) in-conference:
Winner
------
Hou Cinci Cinci ;divisional record
Hou Pitt Hou ;head-to-head
Hou Miami Hou ;head-to-head
Hou LA Hou ;head-to-head
Hou Cinci Pitt Cinci ;divisional record
Hou Cinci Miami Cinci ;common opponents
Hou Cinci LA Cinci ;net points
Hou Pitt Miami Hou ;head-to-head
Hou Pitt LA Hou ;head-to-head
Hou Miami LA Hou ;head-to-head
Hou Cinci Pitt Miami Cinci ;net points
Hou Cinci Pitt LA Cinci ;net points
Hou Cinci Miami LA Cinci ;net points
Hou Pitt Miami LA Hou ;head-to-head
Hou Cinci Pitt Miami LA Cinci ;net points
Cinci Pitt Cinci ;head-to-head
Cinci Miami Miami ;head-to-head
Cinci LA LA ;head-to-head
Cinci Pitt Miami Cinci ;common opponents
Cinci Pitt LA Cinci ;net points
Cinci Miami LA LA ;common opponents
Cinci Pitt Miami LA Cinci ;net points
Pitt Miami Pitt ;head-to-head
Pitt LA LA ;common opponents
Pitt Miami LA LA ;common opponents
Miami LA LA ;common opponents
Comments: Pittsburgh and Miami are at the bottom of the pile, as they win
*only* head-to-head tie-breakers with Miami and Cinci,
respectively, if one wild card is available from above
table. If two tie-breakers are available from above,
Pittsburgh and Miami can still get in if they tie with
Miami and Cinci, respectively, and with *no more* than one
other team.
Cincinnati holds 12 of their 15 tie-breakers and is in pretty
good shape if they beat Minnesota next week. They can only
be knocked out in that event if:
o (Buff, Indy, Hou) win *and* (Pitt) loses *and*
(Mia *or* LA) win
*or* o (Buff *or* Indy) lose *and* (Hou) wins *and*
(Pitt) loses *and* (Mia *and* LA) win
Houston holds 7 of their 15 tie-breakers, but only lose
tie-breakers to Indy and Cinci at 9-7. So even if Houston
loses to Cleveland, they're still a Wild Card if one team
among (Buff, Indy *or* Cinci) also lose.
LA only holds 5 of their 15 tie-breakers, so they're with
Pittsburgh and Miami hoping for things to happen. Their
best bet is to beat the Giants, have Houston beat
Cleveland, and have one team among (Buff, Indy, Cinci,
*or* Pitt) lose. If Cleveland beats Houston, LA needs
(Buff *or* Indy) *and* (Cinci) to lose in order to take a
Wild Card.
--glenn
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| 14.19 | | LEVERS::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Mon Dec 18 1989 12:49 | 12 |
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> That scenario requires losses by LA, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and (Indy
> or Buffalo), however.
I pick losses by LA to the Giants (7 point favorites)
Cincinatti to Minnesota (6 point favorites)
Indianapolis to New Orleans (2 point favorites)
Cleveland does not need to lose (9-6-1 wins division).
With this probable outcome it looks like Pitt. has a good chance
of making the wildcard with it's last game at Tampa Bay.
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| 14.20 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Dec 18 1989 12:59 | 9 |
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That's right, you had Houston in the three-way tie after a loss to
Cleveland. In your scenario, the Cle-Hou game doesn't affect
Pittsburgh's chances.
I got confused...
glenn
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| 14.21 | One more week to go!! | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Tue Dec 19 1989 10:14 | 30 |
| NFC East
Eagles (10-5) 12/24/89 1300 Phoenix Philadelphia
Giants (11-4) 12/24/89 1300 LA Raiders NY Giants
Redskins (9-6) 12/23/89 1600 Washington Seattle
NFC Central
Vikings (9-6) 12/25/89 2100 Cincinnati Minnesota
Packers (9-6) 12/24/89 1300 Green Bay Dallas
NFC West
49ers (13-2) 12/24/89 1600 Chicago San Francisco
Rams (10-5) 12/24/89 1300 LA Rams New England
AFC East
Bills (8-7) 12/23/89 1230 Buffalo NY Jets
Dolphins (8-7) 12/24/89 1300 Kansas City Miami
Colts (8-7) 12/24/89 1300 Indianapolis New Orleans
AFC Central
Oilers (9-6) 12/23/89 2000 Cleveland Houston
Browns (8-6-1) 12/23/89 2000 Cleveland Houston
Bengals (8-7) 12/25/89 2100 Cincinnati Minnesota
Steelers (8-7) 12/24/89 1300 Pittsburgh Tampa Bay
AFC West
Broncos (10-5) 12/24/89 1600 Denver San Diego
Raiders (8-7) 12/24/89 1300 LA Raiders NY Giants
Chiefs (7-7-1) 12/24/89 1300 Kansas City Miami
Seattle (7-8) 12/24/89 1600 Washington Seattle
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| 14.22 | a question.... | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Tue Dec 19 1989 15:46 | 8 |
| I have a scenario here that if Pittsburgh wins, Houston loses to
Cleveland, Cincy beats Minnesota, Miami beats KC, Indy loses to NO,
Raiders loses to Giants, Bills beat Jets, that will leave Miami,
Houston, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh all tied at 9-7 for a wildcard
(Bills also 9-7 will claim division), then who will get in as
wildcards? I think Cincinnati will but who is the other team?
Charles
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| 14.24 | Hoping for Houston at Cincinnati again for wildcard! | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Tue Dec 19 1989 16:09 | 6 |
| Re:.23
Wow, that's what I am getting at. A rematch of the 61-7 game, at the
same place, between the same two team! I hope this will happen! Could
be the most hyped wildcard game of all time!
Charles
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| 14.25 | Eagles Rams host? | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Tue Dec 19 1989 16:12 | 5 |
| Also, if the Eagles and the Rams both ends at 11-5, assuming they both
win next week and Giants win also to claim the division, who would host
the wildcard game between them?
Charles
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| 14.26 | | JUPITR::MOK | Charles P. Mok | Tue Dec 19 1989 16:42 | 7 |
| Re: .-1
I think I have my own answer. They will have the same conference
record at 8-4 but on common opponents (Giants, Cards, Dallas, N.O.,
49ers, Bears, Vikes) the Eagles will be 7-3 and the Rams are 4-4.
So Philly should host. Last season the Rams lost there :(
Charles
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| 14.27 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Falalala /Don wears gay apparrel... | Tue Dec 19 1989 17:35 | 4 |
| IF the Eagles and Giants tie, the Eagles win the division, and the
Giants play the Rams at the Meadowlands.
JD
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| 14.28 | Maimi | TRACTR::KOLADISH | | Wed Dec 20 1989 12:20 | 3 |
| What does will it take to get the Dolphins in the playoffs ?
John
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| 14.29 | :) | LEVERS::STROUT | a pound of obscure | Wed Dec 20 1989 12:29 | 2 |
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a merger with San Fran...
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| 14.30 | An Act of God | PTOMV6::JACOB | Steelers pray for wildcard in '89 | Wed Dec 20 1989 12:34 | 1 |
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| 14.31 | | SALEM::RIEU | We're Taxachusetts...AGAIN | Wed Dec 20 1989 12:44 | 2 |
| Shula getting the rules changed?
Denny
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| 14.32 | | USRCV1::COLOTTIR | Piece of Mind | Thu Dec 21 1989 10:54 | 3 |
| Miami must win, Buffalo, Indy must lose.
RaIDER_RICH
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