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Conference stkhlm::magtape

Title:MAGNETIC TAPEDRIVES
Moderator:STKHLM::GJOHNSSON
Created:Mon Sep 21 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3775
Total number of notes:13147

3762.0. "TLZ07 Read error recovery problem" by MARVIN::GOUGH (Raoul Gough) Wed May 21 1997 11:01

Hello,

I've got a TLZ07 attached to a Digital Unix system via a SCSI bus, and I'm
having a problem reading a tape which I wrote two days ago.  I'm using the
Digital Unix restore command, which progresses until it reaches a particular
file, where it encounters a Tape read error.  The tape unit is then flashing
both of it's LEDs and the restore programme is unable to read from the tape.

I read the Troubleshooting guide from note 3649.0, which says that a read
error can take minutes for the drive to recover, so I've waited ten minutes,
but the LEDs continue to blink.

The only recovery step I've found is to press the eject button and re-insert
the tape, but this seems to rewind it.  The restore programme doesn't re-
synchronise after doing that.

I don't know how to find the firmware revision of the drive, otherwise I would
post that information.  The Digital Unix version is 4.0 (revision 386).

Any ideas?
Ray.
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3762.1Oh, oh!JULIET::ROYERGreening up our lives.Wed May 21 1997 18:1315
    Did you do a verify pass after writing the backup tape?
    
    No verify, then the backup probably did not write properly.  If verify
    done, then try the cleaning tape and then retry the restore.  DAT
    media/hardware is very problematical at best, I would never use one for
    data that I thought I might like to restore some day.  
    
    I say this from the perspective of being a MVCS Engineer, they are the
    worse backup device (DAT) in the world.  Basically what you have is a
    Video Cassette Recorder, that is modified to put digital data on a
    media instead of a picture.  Bit dropout on a video usually results in
    a flicker, some lines or a missed frame.  The same result on data can
    be really severe.
    
    Dave
3762.2Now that you mention it...MARVIN::GOUGHRaoul GoughThu May 22 1997 12:5826
>    Did you do a verify pass after writing the backup tape?

No I didn't, but I'm starting to think that I should have.  Cleaning the heads
didn't help, so I guess that .1 is right, the tape was written with the
error.

> ...
>    DAT media/hardware is very problematical at best, I would never use one
>    for data that I thought I might like to restore some day.  
> ...
>    Dave

I can afford to be flippant about it now, because I managed to get most of
the data off the tape by fooling around for a few hours with dd and mt.   I
read the first part of the dump, up to near the error, and then skipped a bit
and then got the remainder of the dump from after the error.  If I ever tried
to actually read data from the error region, the tape required re-loading.

So then I got the two halves and glued them together before using "restore",
which complained about missing files, but restored all the other ones.
Not a problem.


Thanks for your reply,
Ray.
3762.3LEFTY::CWILLIAMSCD or not CD, that's the questionThu May 22 1997 18:245
    re: .1 --- You've obviously never tried the old 8mm drives, or you
    would have a higher opinion of DAT.  The old 8mm was the closest thing
    to a write-only media I've ever seen.
    
    Chris
3762.4WARFUT::MELLINGFri May 23 1997 01:3216
    
    	Hello,
    
    	Did you happen to look in the errorlog to see if an error was
    	recorded there.
    	I had a problem of not being able to VRESTORE data from a tape
    	which had previously given no indication of a problem during the
    	VDUMP.
    
    	I would be most interested in either the decevent output or the
    	uerf -Z output from your errorlog.
    
    	Perhaps you could enter it here or mail it to me on warhed::melling
    
    regards
    tony
3762.5Records no longer available, but...MARVIN::GOUGHRaoul GoughTue May 27 1997 18:3534
Re: .4

After restoring the dump (as outlined in .2) my uerf record was overwritten,
since it resides on the partition which I restored.

However, at the time of the original problem I started to produce a record
of what was happening, and here's an extract:


My restore command was "restore -rYf /dev/nrmt0h"...

Tape read error while restoring ./share/man/man3/wcscat.3.gz
continue? [yn] y
cam_logger: CAM_ERROR packet
cam_logger: bus 4 target 4 lun 0
ctape_iodone
Hard Error Detected
DEC     TLZ07     (C)DECTLZ07
Active CCB at time of error
CCB request completed with an error
Error, exception, or abnormal condition
HARDWARE ERROR - Nonrecoverable hardware error

I don't have DecEvents, but maybe the above will help you.  The tape was
written with Data compression (the default with dump) and I wonder if it
would have recovered from the error better without the compression.


Regards,
Ray.

>    	I would be most interested in either the decevent output or the
>    	uerf -Z output from your errorlog.