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| 587.1 | The Cup stays here, where it belongs (Quebec) | KAOFS::WATTERS | | Mon May 12 1997 18:16 | 12 |
| Christian Dube, TC Jr star, got 4g-1a in that game.
Dube started the year in the NHL w/ the NYR but finally got sent back
to Jr in late Jan. Apparently he couldn't cut the Rangers lineup on a
regular basis; something to do w/ the Rangers having guys named Messier
and GreAtzky as centremen too. The kid doesn't belong in Jr.
Hull's backup goalie was a 1st round pick of Buffalo 2 yrs ago. They're
playing a rookie instead. For those who'll watch the 'Piques play;
check out their PP, it's as potent as the Avs.
Andy
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| 587.2 | | POLAR::MAJOR | | Mon May 12 1997 18:25 | 10 |
| Your right about their PP Andy; They had 120 PP goals in the regular
season (72 games)...
The backup goalie is Sabres' Martin Biron, for whom Hull traded for
during the season. However, Christian Bronsard, undrafted free agent
has been a big surprise in th second half of the season and in the
playoffs to earn his # 1 ranking for the M Cup.
Ray.
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| 587.3 | Hull is the team to beat | FSCORE::B_LEURY | | Mon May 12 1997 18:57 | 3 |
| Was Bronsard not name playoff MVP? I thought I read that somewhere.
Bernie.
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| 587.4 | | POLAR::MAJOR | | Mon May 12 1997 19:56 | 3 |
| yes, he was Bernie.
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| 587.5 | it would have been very sweet!!:*)) | POLAR::MAJOR | | Mon May 12 1997 20:10 | 9 |
| Although last nite's result (8-0 win) was very refreshing vs the
Generals, I'm still dissapointed that Hull didn't have the
'opportunity' to play/beat this year's NO.1 ranked Jr team, the Ottawa
67's...For our friends in the USA and Europe, Ottawa is just across the
river from Hull...:*)
Ray.
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| 587.6 | | FSCORE::B_LEURY | | Mon May 12 1997 20:33 | 15 |
| Yep, that would have been fun and the region would have been buzzing.
For some reason, the Generals always give the 67s a tough time. I saw
a few of the games and goaltending was the difference. Ottawa's was
ordinary and Oshawa's was outstanding (Arsenault). The Generals are a
very tired team and Hull benefited from the schedule. Yesterday's game
was the second in two days for the Generals but it was the first game
of the tournament for the Olympiques.
Bernie.
P.S. When was the last time that a Hull team won a major
championship?
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| 587.7 | Want so wine too Bernard?!?!:*) | POLAR::MAJOR | | Mon May 12 1997 20:50 | 15 |
| -1:
AHHH, nice to see the Ont. guys racking up the excuses so early in the
tourney!!:*)) Heck, these guys are 17,18 and 19 years old...so what if
they played 2 games in two days...BTW, Oshawa's goalie played on 3
Quebec jr. teams in the last 3 years, and was cut from the Chicoutimi
team this year, before landing in Oshawa.
The last time a Hull team won a major championship?? What's your point,
Mr. Bernard?!?!:*))
Ray.
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| 587.8 | The last time... | KAOFS::B_CROOK | Brian @KAO | Mon May 12 1997 21:06 | 4 |
| The last time the Toronto Maple Leafs won the Stanley Cup in 1967.
I think its off topic but I'm not sure?
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| 587.9 | | KAOFS::WATTERS | | Mon May 12 1997 22:50 | 8 |
| Lethbridge beat the Sags, 4-2 (also yesterday).
Lethbridge was leading 4-0 w/ a few minutes left in the game so it is
expected that they'll meet Hull in the finals. One thing that I noticed
though is they only got 20 shots on net. Hull will eat'em alive.
Chris Phillips (Sens top pick last year) plays for Lethbridge.
Andy
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| 587.10 | I'm with you Ray! | FSCORE::B_LEURY | | Mon May 12 1997 23:50 | 27 |
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Ray mon ami, no whining just trying to put things in perspective.
The last time the Memorial cup was in Hull (1982 I think) I was there to
see Brian Bellows' Kitchener Rangers get hammered by the Quebec
representatives (I don't remember the team but they had a highly touted
defenseman called Paul Boutilier) 11 - 2 in the first game. Kitchener
ended up winning the tournament.
Also, Hull is an area team so of course I'm hoping for them to win.
You should always cheer for the local team if you know what I mean ;-)
The last team that I would cheer for in this tournament is Oshawa. I
hate them because they always give Ottawa a tough time and they play
dirty (have for years).
The "last team to win" question was more of a trivia thing. You will
be pleased to know that it was the Ottawa-Hull Canadiens who won the
Memorial cup in 1958. They were the Canadiens' farm team. I've
attached their roster. There's a few names that you'll recognize ;-)
Bernie.
1958 - Ottawa-Hull Canadiens - Jon Annable, Ralph Backstrom, Jacques
Begin, Bob Boucher, Bill Carter, Claude Cyr, Dick Dawson, Claude Fournel,
Bruce Gamble, Terry Gray, John Longarini, Nick Murray, Bob Olajos,
Claude Richard, Bob Rousseau, Claude Ruel, Andre Tardif, Gilles Tremblay,
Jean C. Tremblay, Harold White, Sam Pollock(manager), Scotty Bowman (coach).
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| 587.11 | Lethbridge and Hull square off tonite... | POLAR::MAJOR | | Tue May 13 1997 14:50 | 22 |
| Bernie,
I also saw a few games in the 1982 Memorial Cup. The Quebec team
was the Castors de Sherbrooke, who along w/ Boutillier, also had Michel
Petit on D. Their top forwards included Sean McKenna and Gerard
Gallant.
Kitchener also had (I think) Scott Stevens and Al McInnis on the
blue line.
The Western team was the Portland Winter Hawks. Their stars were
Gary Nylund and Ken Yaremchuck.
I was at the final game that year between Kitchener and Portland.
BTW, so far this year, Hull has been the most impressive team, but
IMHO, the most impressive player is Marc Savard of Oshawa. I'm very
impressed w/ his passing ability and his overall vision of the ice
surface. He's an excellent playmaker.
Ray.
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| 587.12 | no TV coverage tonite...:*(( | POLAR::MAJOR | | Tue May 13 1997 15:19 | 8 |
| Can you beleive there's no live TV coverage of tonite's game in Hull.
It's the biggest game so far in the tourney, but TSN is showing the
Blue Jays (wow!!) and RDS are showing the Expos...Incroyable!!!
I'll have to rely on my contacts to get me some tickets for the game...
Ray.
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| 587.13 | | FSCORE::PAVEZKA | Hull Bound | Tue May 13 1997 15:43 | 15 |
| Why not? The Jays are playing the Tigers!!!!
Ray....I read this morning where there are a few tickets
available...tickets reserved fro the out of town teams have been
returned so you may be able to get your hands on one.
However, if you do go to the game, you'll miss the debate on TV
tonight!
TSN scheduled tonight's game long ago to be shown on a tape delay basis
because they did not want to conflict with the NHL playoffs on TV.
They probably assumed that at least one series would go 6 games.
pete
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| 587.14 | | KAOFS::B_CROOK | Brian @KAO | Tue May 13 1997 16:46 | 2 |
| re:-10, Bernie, I do recognice some names in that list, Is the Bruce
Gamble not a former Leaf?
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| 587.15 | my "home" is Quebec...:*) | POLAR::MAJOR | | Tue May 13 1997 16:49 | 10 |
| re .10;
On cheering for the home team...
I agree w/ you Bernie...People should always cheer for the home
team. Therefore, until Hull gets an NHL franchise, I'll continue to
cheer for my "home team"...The only one from La Belle Province...:*))
Ray.
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| 587.16 | | FSCORE::B_LEURY | | Tue May 13 1997 17:43 | 20 |
| Ray, "La Belle Province" wishes it had an NHL team ;-) What they
have looks more like an AHL team!
There have been a few great coaches that have coached in Hull. Bowman,
Burns and Ray's favorite, Lally Lalonde ;-)
Brian, yes that's the Bruce Gamble that played nets for the Leafs
in the late sixties and early seventies.
By the way, the 67s did not make it to the Memorial Cup but they sure
cleaned up on the individual awards last night.
Coach of the year: Brian Kilrea Ottawa
Best Defenseman: Sean Blanchard Ottawa
Best plus minus: Nick Boynton Ottawa
CHL Player of the year: Alyn McCauley Ottawa
Pavol Roza from Hull won top scorer.
Bernie.
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| 587.17 | still pissed at TSN and RDS...:*(( | POLAR::MAJOR | | Tue May 13 1997 17:57 | 11 |
| Sean Blanchard won top defenseman...He must be pretty damn good for
beating out heavy favorite Chris Phillips of Lethbridge...
For those who don't know Lally Lalonde, let's just say that in his
prime, he would have made Don Cherry look like a choir boy...:*))
Bernie, another excellent coach that spent some time in Hull was Wayne
Maxner.
Ray.
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| 587.18 | a Hurricane hit Bob Guertin in the 3rd period!! | POLAR::MAJOR | | Wed May 14 1997 14:57 | 18 |
| The Hull Olympiques took a 6-1 lead into the third period, but let the
Lethbridge Hurricanes score the next 6 goals, including the OT winner,
as the western reps beat the home team 7-6 last nite in Memorial Cup
play.
Up to that point, Hull had completely dominated the M Cup, outscoring
the opposition 14-1 in 5 periods. Also last nite, Hull scored 3 goals
on their first 3 shots on net, and were ahead 5-0 after one period...
Full credit to the 'Canes for not giving up. Their amazing comeback
gives them an automatic spot in Sunday's final. For their parts, the
'Piques will have to play a semi-final game to earn a birth in the
finals.
tonite, the Generals play Chicoutimi.
Ray.
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| 587.19 | | FSCORE::PAVEZKA | Hull Bound | Wed May 14 1997 15:45 | 4 |
| Ray, Lethbridge does not yet have an automatic berth in the final....if
they win tonight, then they will.
pete
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| 587.20 | I could be wrong, but... | POLAR::MAJOR | | Wed May 14 1997 16:13 | 6 |
| Pete, if Lethbridge looses tonite (2-1 record), and Hull wins their
next game (2-1 record), they'd finish tied, but because Lethbridge beat
Hull, they would advance to the finals...I think that's right anyway...
Ray.
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| 587.21 | | KAOFS::WATTERS | | Wed May 14 1997 16:31 | 20 |
| Ray,
Lethbridge plays Oshawa tonight.
Hull plays Chicoutimi tomorrow night.
If the 3rd and 4th place team ends up w/ identical records, then a
1/4 final game is played Friday. The semi is on Sat and the final is
on Sunday.
Last night, I left work after 6pm. By the time I got home it was 3-0
HUll (15min ride). Went to workout, it was 6-1 after 2. AFTER my
workout, got in the car, they say it's going to OT. Stopped at the
corner store for Lottery tickets; game's over, Lethbridge wins.
Christian Dube has a 3 or 4 pt night.
Apparently, Chris Phillips was very very dominant.
Both goalies sucked.
Andy
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| 587.22 | | FSCORE::PAVEZKA | Hull Bound | Wed May 14 1997 17:16 | 5 |
| Raymond, there's another team in the equation as well....if Oshawa
beats Lethbridge tonite and Hull beats Chicoutimi, then there are 3
teams tied at 2-1 and the head to head tiebreaker is thrown out.
pete
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| 587.23 | damned if you do damned if you don't | FSCORE::B_LEURY | | Wed May 14 1997 17:16 | 16 |
| The talk of the tournament is...the officiating. The complaint is that
too many penalties are being called. I agree that many penalties are
being called but I haven't seen very many that were not deserved. I
saw last night's game and I thought the ref did a good job. Seems to
me that the Quebec League has decided that the game must be played by
the rules and are applying them. It's up to the players to adjust and
to play within the rules.
In last night's game, Hull went in a coma half way through the second
period. They took a lot of stupid penalties and didn't take advantage
of the many powerplay opportunities they were handed. When Lethbridge
tied the game with less than two minutes left, they had their best scorer
in the dressing room with a ten minutes misconduct and Phillips was in
the penalty box.
Bernie.
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| 587.24 | ??? | KUTIPS::ROBILLARD | | Wed May 14 1997 17:18 | 6 |
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UNBELIEVABLE!!!!
Ben
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| 587.25 | | POLAR::MAJOR | | Wed May 14 1997 17:31 | 8 |
| re .22;
I guess your right Pete...I had completely forgotten about those "tete
carre's" from Ontario...:*))
Ray.
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| 587.26 | a 'second chance' for the Piques... | POLAR::MAJOR | | Thu May 15 1997 14:57 | 7 |
| The Oshawa Generals pulled off a bit of an upset last nite, when they
beat the Lethbridge Hurricanes 2-1. That put both teams at 2-1, and if
Hull wins vs Chicoutimi tonite, they will also be at 2-1 but will earn
a bye to the finals...
Ray.
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| 587.27 | dear abby, dear abby... | KAOFS::B_CROOK | Brian @KAO | Thu May 15 1997 18:22 | 5 |
| dear Abby:
How does Hull get the bye if they all have identical records?
signed,
confused in canata
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| 587.28 | the advantage of home cooking !! | POLAR::MAJOR | | Thu May 15 1997 18:27 | 5 |
| ...Because they are this year's home team, they get to make (or change)
the rules...:*))
Ray.
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| 587.29 | | FSCORE::PAVEZKA | Hull Bound | Thu May 15 1997 18:32 | 8 |
| But Hull is NOT the home team.....Chicoutimi is acting as the home
team....Hull is the QMJHL champion.
Hull would get the bye because of a better +/- amongst the 3 tied
teams. That 8-0 game sure helps in this regard.
Abby
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| 587.30 | | FSCORE::B_LEURY | | Thu May 15 1997 20:12 | 15 |
| Very good game last night. Only five penalties were called. It was
the cleanest game I've seen in years (Junior or Pro). The game was
refereed by the same guy that called the Lethbridge and Hull game. In
that game he called over 100 minutes of penalties. He was calling
EVERYTHING. I guess the players learned and decided to keep the cheap
shots down because in last night's game there were no sticks in the face,
no face washes and no two handed slashes. Furthermore no hooking,
tripping or holding was left uncalled.
Right after that game I watched the replay of the Sweden - Canada game
where the referee "let them play". Tons of cheap shots, bloodied faces,
stickwork, spearing, you name it, with most incidents not penalized.
Bernie.
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| 587.31 | Wish they were playing Ottawa | POLAR::MAHANEY | Mikey - Deliver us from evil! | Fri May 16 1997 07:20 | 5 |
| Hull wins 8-5 against the Sagueneens (sp??) and get a bye into the
final.
Sean
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| 587.32 | 'Piques win M Cup. | POLAR::MAJOR | | Tue May 20 1997 16:08 | 6 |
| The Hull Olympiques won their first ever Memorial Cup by defeating the
Lethbridge Hurricanes 5-1 on Sunday at the Bob Guertin Arena in Hull.
It is the second consecutive win by a QMJHL team.
Ray.
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| 587.33 | Quebec keeps the cup for a 2nd year in a row; Next, Val d'Or | KAOFS::WATTERS | | Wed May 21 1997 15:32 | 24 |
| yeah! the 'Piques scored an impressive 25g in only 4games.
Oshawa(Ont) coach Bill Stewart complained that Hull 'bought' themselves
a championship team. They bought the rights for Dube w/ $50k and 2
players to be named later, and sent draft picks to Beauport for 2 other
players.
Meanwhile, Lethbridge (West), make a 10-12 player trade late in the
season to stack themselves a team. Stewart also forgot about the 'Eric
Lindros' rule. In the OHL, no 16yr could be traded until Lindros
wouldn't report to the team that drafted him (deja vu eh!). So Oshawa
gave 5 players to Sault-Ste-Marie and $80k; 2yrs later they won the
Memorial Cup.
Other stories:
-Byron Ritchie (Lethbridge) getting caught on camera (french station)
saying "...fuckin' frogs...." after he got kicked out of a game.
-Hull player shoving Chris Phillips late in the final and then pointing
to his ring finger. Phillips, caught on camera:"I can buy your fuckin'
contract!!!"
BoyZ will be BoyZ!!!
Andy
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| 587.34 | | KAONIS::HYNDMAN | Fire Storm Trooper | Wed May 21 1997 16:53 | 11 |
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Ron and Don were talking about the complaint that Hull bought the cup.
Cherry's take was that anyone of the teams could have made the trades
that Hull did, they weren't breaking any rules and he did the same
thing in the past to secure a championship.
Andy - Re "F'ing Frogs" I've called you and your countrymen much worse
when I played you in the KDHL!
Scott
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| 587.35 | Congratulations to the Olympiques | FSCORE::B_LEURY | | Wed May 21 1997 17:43 | 10 |
| Interesting take on this "buying a team" thing in the Ottawa Sun
yesterday. The guy that killed Lethbride was Hull goalie
Bronssard(sp?). As the writer put it, the guy that beat them spent his
own quarter when he called the Olympiques and asked for a tryout. The
kids from Ontario and nobody wanted him.
Let's not forget that Hull took a hell of a chance by aquiring the
rights to Dube as he was still in the NHL at the time.
Bernie.
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| 587.36 | | POLAR::MAJOR | | Wed May 21 1997 17:54 | 15 |
| Your right about Bronsard Bernie.
After being a 'walk on', he won the defensive rookie of the year
award in the QMJHL, the playoff MVP, the best goalie award in the
Memorial Cup, and a spot on the 1st all-star team of the M Cup. All
this, with Martin Biron (Sabres 1st pick) as a back-up...
He's 19 and without a pro contract. Hopefully, an NHL will at least
give him a chance as a free agent.
As far as Hull being 'accused' of buying the Memorial Cup, that's
pur Bullshit, and immature whining by loosers...
Ray.
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| 587.37 | | FSCORE::B_LEURY | | Wed May 21 1997 18:04 | 4 |
| >>As far as Hull being 'accused' of buying the Memorial Cup, that's
>>pur Bullshit, and immature whining by loosers..
Agree!
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| 587.38 | Granby....Hull.....Val d'Or(?) ;*) | KAOFS::WATTERS | | Wed May 21 1997 18:07 | 20 |
| >>Let's not forget that Hull took a hell of a chance by aquiring the
>>rights to Dube as he was still in the NHL at the time.
I don't think it was really a gamble.
The 'Piques use to be owned by GreAtzky. Charlie Henry, GreAtzky 2nd
dad if you may, is the GM of Hull. Dube was playing for the NYR. When
Henry struck the deal w/ Sherbrooke, who owned the rights to Dube, I'm
sure that a few phone calls were made by Henry to GreAtzky to make sure
that he'd be 'available'. Add to that, the GM for Sherbrooke is Dube's
dad and he wanted to see his son in the Memorial Cup.
As for the goalies, it's a "very well-known" fact that if you want to
win a major championship in Canada you must have a french canadian
goalie. 3 of the 4 starting goalies in the Mem Cup were french Cdn.
Last year, Joseph played for TC while Brodeur sat on the bench; that
mistake won't happen twice (expect to see Roy and Brodeur in Nagano)
:*)
Andy
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| 587.39 | | POLAR::MAJOR | | Wed May 21 1997 18:10 | 7 |
| Also about Dube,
The NYR agreed to send Dube back to Jr only if Sherbrooke traded
his rights to a contender...
Ray.
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| 587.40 | I don't want to play anymore... | KAOFS::B_CROOK | Brian @KAO | Wed May 21 1997 19:28 | 6 |
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Duh, what did Oshawa do to get Lindros from Sault St. Marie a few years
back? (they bought him)
Hypocracy isn't very Canadian, shame on them and all other whiners...
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| 587.41 | | KAONIS::HYNDMAN | Fire Storm Trooper | Wed May 21 1997 23:45 | 12 |
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Re: french canadian kids making good goalies
Maybe a massive consumption of pepsi and poutine makes you immune to
being hit by hard rubber disks traveling at high speed? I think this
needs further study. Perhaps I could get a grant? I will need an
offical representative from la belle province who knows something about
hockey. Umm that rules Andy out, so Ray are you interested in a career
change to something in the research field?
Scott
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| 587.42 | | POLAR::RICHARDSON | Conformity is freedom | Thu May 22 1997 00:01 | 3 |
| I was born in Quebec City, sign me up! I'll go on a diet of poutine and
pepsi for a month, provided that I get sponsors, and then you can fire
pucks at me ad nauseam.
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| 587.43 | | FSCORE::PAVEZKA | Hull Bound | Thu May 22 1997 15:49 | 4 |
| Hey...I'm in Quebec now...does that count? Plus, I already have the
equipment!
pete ;-)
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| 587.44 | | POLAR::MAJOR | | Thu May 22 1997 15:56 | 5 |
| It's a good start Pete...but you'd need more (...or less) than a
poutine & Pepsi diet!!:*))
Ray.
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| 587.45 | | FSCORE::PAVEZKA | Hull Bound | Thu May 22 1997 17:24 | 1 |
| Je parle francais!
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| 587.46 | break for lunch | KAOFS::B_CROOK | Brian @KAO | Thu May 22 1997 17:26 | 6 |
|
It seems like the cream of this crop also was born in Quebec, Chapeau
for me and I'm applying for the job. Did I see something about 3.4
million over 4 years? I stopped a puck once. Have your people call my
people...
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| 587.47 | born in the city of champions | FSCORE::B_LEURY | | Thu May 22 1997 20:34 | 11 |
| Scott,
I was born in Hull, Quebec (although I hate to admit it;-) ) so I
guess I qualify for this research. I can't stop a puck now so the
baseline has already been established. Feed me for a month and then if
I can stop just one puck you will have proof that your theory is
correct.
Bernie.
Oh yes... je parle fran�ais aussi!
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