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Conference 7.286::fish

Title:Fish as Pets Conference
Notice:For Sale, Seek, and Swap use note 23
Moderator:FUNYET::ANDERSON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1696
Total number of notes:11157

1690.0. "tooling up for marine" by RDGENG::CLAYTON () Wed Mar 19 1997 11:28

Hi 

   Im in the process of building a marine tank under a tight budget 
   and wondered if any one out there could give me some advice perhaps 
   stear me away from from some common problem area's 


   Spec: 30 uk gallon tank  currently on its maturation cycle using 
   seamature,  fluval 303 canister filter with sintered glass media 
   fluval 103 running marine carbon filter floss crushed sea shells 
   to help buffer ph, 402 powerhead running a prefiltered rugf and 
   a sander 250 protein skimmer.  

   Lighting  3 * 24 inch tubes a triton  and 2 powerglow's 
   water supply is from a 30 gpd r/o unit . 


   I would liked to have brought a new larger tank but money wont allow
   most of this kit is from my old tropical freshwater days "except the 
   skimmer"  



                              Regards  and thanks in advance 

                                        Richard 
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1690.1A few general tipsEVMS::MARIONSo many fish ...Wed Mar 19 1997 13:2325
    Depends on what kind of advice you're looking for.  You're gear
    looks good as far as I can tell.
    
    Basic rules:  
    
    	- Stock lightly.  As a general rule, probably about half what
    	  you'd stock for freshwater, and remember to take into account
    	  the adult size.
    	- Don't be afraid to do water changes.  Good water quality is
    	  essential.
    	- Carefully watch the salinity!  small tanks can fluctuate due
    	  to water evaporation quite quickly.  Note that makeup water 
    	  for evaporation must be conditioned FRESH water.  The salt 
    	  stays in the water, so as water evaporates the salinity climbs.
    	- Make sure your fish are compatible with each other.  Marine 
    	  fish are often more aggressive then their freshwater counterparts
    	  and stress can be their undoing.  My theory is that stress is the	
    	  number one fish killer (directly or indirectly).
    	- Read everything you can get your hands on, and ask lots of
    	  questions.  Marine fishkeepers have a lot of differing and strong
    	  opinions.  You need to weigh each bit of information and judge
    	  for yourself what will work for you.
    
    Good luck,
    Karen.
1690.2thanks for the responseRDGENG::CLAYTONThu Mar 20 1997 05:395
Thanks for the response Karen  I was starting to think this notes
conference was dead

 
                    Richard  "new marine fish keeper"
1690.3think small, hearty.GAAS::BRAUCHERAnd nothing else mattersFri Mar 21 1997 10:4413
  30 gallons is a very minimum size for any sort of marine tank.  You
 have little margin for error compared to larger tanks, because everything
 happens so fast.  Thus, best to stick to hearty, small critters.  Such
 as the brightly colored damselfishes, or hermit crabs.  Gobies.  Urchins.

  It can be done, barely.

  This is not an appropriate size for big boisterous things, even hearty
 ones like tangs.  Let alone the daintier butterflies.  If you're rich
 enough to afford such fishes, you're rich enough to afford a bigger tank.

  bb
1690.4ditto the little, hardy fishEVMS::MARIONSo many fish ...Fri Mar 21 1997 13:4634
    I agree with using small, hearty fish, but the size of his tank
    isn't as small as it sounds at first.  His tank is in UK gallons, 
    which I believe are larger by about .2 gallons/gallon than US gallons.
    
    I, personally, like the smaller size to learn on because it takes
    smaller buckets of water for changes, etc.  My first marine tank was
    90 gallons and it was a royal pain to learn with.  The mere size of
    it was intimidating.  And if something goes wrong in a big tank it is
    much harder to fix it.  That tank is now a georgeous, heavily planted 
    freshwater tank, and I'm really happy with the change.  
    
    Fish that are good in small tanks might include some of the smaller
    wrasses (banana wrasse comes to mind), green or blue chromis (which 
    are less aggressive then many other damsels), common or percula 
    clownfish, and one of the pygmy angels, such as Herald's, Flame, or 
    Coral Beauty.  Of the pygmy angels listed above, the Flame is the
    most expensive, and probably the most likely to show aggression, 
    according to the literature.  But I have a friend who's had two of
    them, and also has kept Coral Beauty angels with no problems.
    
    My 20 gallon (US) tank has 3 green chromis and 1 Herald Angel.  They
    are all healthy and happy.  I've had the chromis for 15 months and 
    the angel for about 8 months.
    
    My 29 gallon (US) tank has one purple tang (recovering from head and
    lateral line syndrome) and one common clownfish.  If the tang makes it,
    I might combine my tanks into one larger one, but I'm not sure yet what
    direction I'm going with marine fish.  I'm bored with the look of the
    fish only tanks, but am not sure I want to invest the money and time in
    a reef.  I'm trying to decide whether a planted marine tank is a good
    compromise.  That is, keep Caulerpa and fish, but no live rock, corals
    and such.
    
    Karen.
1690.5SMURF::MSCANLONa ferret on the barco-loungerMon Mar 24 1997 13:0637
    re: .3
    
    We are running a 6 gallon and a 10 gallon marine in addition
    to 5 other freshwater tanks ranging in size from 10-55 gallons.
    
    The 10 gallon was a case of a free fish who needed living
    quarters (there's *always* a spare tank in our house :-),
    and the 6 gallon is an experiment which, so far, is doing
    pretty well.  We run the 6 gallon in a day-light bright room 
    with two 9 watt flourescents, a heater and a powerhead.  
    It has about 6 lbs of live rock, a base of live sand and
    crushed coral, one pseudo-chromis, one camel shrimp, a
    pink-tipped anenome, star polyps, button polyps,
    two turbo snails, some hermit crabs, and some corals and two larger
    crabs that came in on the rock.  We've had
    to check salinity regularly, add water daily, change water 
    monthly.  We're getting some silt on the bottom now which
    we need to deal with, but other than that it's been going
    about 4 months just fine. 
    
    The 10 gallon has been going about 6 months, and has
    a Coral Beauty, a Goby, a pink-tipped anenome, a sea urchin,
    a coral-banded shrimp, two turbo snails, hermit crabs, 3 limpets,
    a couple of oysters, star polyps, and a small coral.  It has
    a Skilter 400, a heater, an Actinic blue florescent and a 9 watt
    florescent.  Again, we check salinity regularly, add water
    daily, change water monthly.  
    
    We're planning on a 37 gallon salt water fish tank, and a 65 gallon
    and 55 gallon reef tanks in the future (tanks just hang around
    our house waiting for uses :-), but we wanted to see if we could
    run small salt environments without investing a lot in lighting
    and filtration.  So far, it's been successful for us and we really
    enjoy the tanks.  
    
    Mary-Michael
    
1690.6Don't forget to ground your tank!PCBUOA::RICCIOPA takedown is worth 2 points!Wed Mar 26 1997 11:4720
    Sounds like you're off to a good start.
    
    A couple of recommendations, first, be careful with damsels. I would
    stay away from domino's and the 3 and 4 striped damsels. Most of the time
    when you get them from the store they are small. They will grow, but the
    real problem is they are very aggressive. In most cases they are some of the
    first fish you put in the tank because they are very hardy. But they are 
    also very territorial and will not tolerate fish you add later.
    
    Yellow tailed damsels are a good fish, but the all blue "blue devils"
    can live up to their name. Any of the pygmy angels are good, but usually
    you can only keep one in a tank of this size. As mentioned clowns are great
    fish as are royal grammar's.
    
    The other recommendation (I very strongly recommend this!!) is to
    ground your tank! Please see note 1407 for details.
    
    Good luck, Phil