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Title:Ask the Storage Architecture Group
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Moderator:SSAG::TERZAN
Created:Wed Oct 15 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6756
Total number of notes:25276

6711.0. "Really fast SCSI I/O ?" by ODIXIE::RREEVES () Wed May 21 1997 19:35

    1. Does anyone have any idea when SCSI 3 will be readly available 
    for Alpha's? 
    
    2. What is the fastest controller/hard-disk combination
    available for an ALPHA Server today (note, not solid state disk). 
    
    We are using the Mylex 3 bus PCI controller with RZ29-V's and 32
    Megabytes of cache. Is there a faster combination ?   
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6711.1Real Soon Now...XDELTA::HOFFMANSteve, OpenVMS EngineeringThu May 22 1997 13:2712
   UltraSCSI support is targeted for an upcoming OpenVMS hardware release,
   depending on the timing, either as part of the Hailstorm release, or in
   close sequence with that release.  The P2SE+ controller is targeted for
   Q2CY97, as are the KZPBA-%% series controllers.  (KZPBA support and
   configuration restrictions for OpenVMS releases prior to Hailstorm are
   being discussed.)

   As for the current best performance combination on the market, donno...
   (I assume you have reason(s) why you are planning on a "traditional"
   SCSI disk widget, rather than host memory or a solid state disk, etc.)

6711.2controllers vs. adaptersSUBSYS::BROWNSCSI and DSSI advice given cheerfullyFri May 23 1997 08:0910
    The fastest disks shipping today are the RZ1BB, RZ1CB, and RZ1DB.
    They run at Ultra speeds (20MB/s narrow, 40MB/sec wide), spin at
    7200RPM, and have sizeable caches, which they use intelligently.
    The top sustained data rate (limited by the linear bit density)
    is somewhere around 30-50% higher than the RZ29B.
                            
    I don't know if we're shipping any UltraSCSI controllers yet.
    Adapters, yes.  A word about definition: in Shrewsbury jargon, 
    a controller can create and manage RAID sets; an adapter just 
    talks to individual disks.
6711.3OTOOA::LAVIGNEFri May 23 1997 13:367
    The Ultra-SCSI product set will roll out from July to September.  If
    you need PID information contact your Storage Rep and get him or her to
    help out.
    
    Regards,
    
    JP Lavigne
6711.4Support uder 6.2-1h2 ?ODIXIE::RREEVESTue May 27 1997 13:169
    Do you know if the RZ1CB-SB is supported under Alpha OpenVMS Version 
    6.2.-1h2 and can I substitue these drives where I currently have 
    RZ29B-VW's ? Are they supported in the same shelfs as the RZ29B-VW's ?
    Do you think they will  be faster than the RZ29B-VW's when connected
    to a KZPSC ?
    
    Regards,
    
    
6711.5What adapter do we ship today?ODIXIE::RREEVESTue May 27 1997 13:182
    What Ultra SCSI adapter do we ship today which would be supported 
    under Alpha VMS on a 2100A 5/250 ?
6711.6OpenVMS Presently Lacks UltraSCSI Support...XDELTA::HOFFMANSteve, OpenVMS EngineeringWed May 28 1997 14:426
   OpenVMS Alpha presently lacks any UltraSCSI operating system support.
   We are looking to remedy this gap Real Soon Now...

   The various UltraSCSI widgets (KZPBA) that are starting to become
   available are listed in WebIR (http://webir.das.dec.com/).
6711.7Thanks forthe answerODIXIE::RREEVESMon Jun 02 1997 09:417
    Steve ,
    
    Thanks for the answer.
    
    Regards,
    
    Ray
6711.8rz1 sizeable cachesMSE1::PCOTEpress one now for personal nameThu Jun 05 1997 11:4013
  <<< Note 6711.2 by SUBSYS::BROWN "SCSI and DSSI advice given cheerfully" >>>
                         -< controllers vs. adapters >-

>    The fastest disks shipping today are the RZ1BB, RZ1CB, and RZ1DB.
>    They run at Ultra speeds (20MB/s narrow, 40MB/sec wide), spin at
>    7200RPM, and have sizeable caches, which they use intelligently.

     Are the "sizeable caches" still operative when the disks are
     members of a RAIDset or is this only valid when the disk
     is configured as a JBOD or connected directly to an adapter?

     thanks, Paul

6711.9yesSUBSYS::BROWNSCSI and DSSI advice given cheerfullyFri Jun 06 1997 08:236
    The disk's read cache is still used when you're in a RAIDset.   
    Also, data in the disk's write cache can be used for reads.
    
    You may see improved performance for three reasons: more data can be cached,
    the new drives are smarter about what to cache, and the response time
    on a cache hit has been reduced (smarter firmware, faster micro).