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Name | Date | Lines |
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| 6446.1 | not on an unreleased product in an open notes files. | SUBSYS::VIDIOT::PATENAUDE | Ask your boss for ARRAY's... | Wed Mar 05 1997 09:08 | 0 |
| 6446.2 | | CXXC::REINIG | This too shall change | Wed Mar 05 1997 10:28 | 3 |
| I thought we just announced it.
August G. Reinig
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| 6446.3 | DS-RZ40-VA StorageWorks 9.1 GB disk | XDELTA::HOFFMAN | Steve, OpenVMS Engineering | Wed Mar 05 1997 13:28 | 22 |
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Selling information
The DIGITAL StorageWorks 9.1 GB disk drive (DS-RZ40-VA)
has a form, fit, and function similar to those of the existing
4 GB RZ29B-VA disk drive. The DS-RZ40-VA drive is easily integrated
into the DIGITAL StorageWorks family of modular, flexible 3.5-inch
disk drive storage subsystems. Note that the drive is not supported
in the StorageWorks BA356-KC pedestal, but can be used in any
of the StorageWorks SW300/500/800 cabinets.
...
9.1GB Fast SCSI-2 drive, Transfer rate 10 MBS narrow, 20 MBS wide,
Internal data 121MbS average. 1MB cache, average seek 8ms, average
latency 4.17ms. Imbedded servo heads. Peak recording method. Thin
film head 7200 RPM. 12W idle. 1.5in high 3.5in wide.
:I thought we just announced it.
It's in Sales Update and various other channels... Use the Integrated
Repository, etc... for details...
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| 6446.4 | geez you go on vacation for a week and all hell breaks out ;^) | SUBSYS::VIDIOT::PATENAUDE | Ask your boss for ARRAY's... | Wed Mar 05 1997 14:55 | 3 |
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my mistake, I just got to the bottom of my mail and saw the same. I'll get the
spec up on subsys::lca:[specs...] as soon as it is available.
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| 6446.5 | what the heck you doing goin on vacation! | PCBUOA::WHITEC | Parrot_Trooper | Thu Mar 06 1997 05:56 | 5 |
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tsk tsk tsk roger! ;^)
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| 6446.6 | RZ40 Specs, OS Support, Etc | XDELTA::HOFFMAN | Steve, OpenVMS Engineering | Thu Mar 06 1997 09:27 | 104 |
| To obtain information, use VTX IR, or (the prefered path, as VTX IR
is shutting down) http://webir.das.dec.com/...
Here are the highlights from "Digital StorageWorks High-performance
9.1 GB Disk Drive. 26-Feb-1997", ... Doc ID: "SU4811, Sales Update"
Features
9.1 GB SCSI-2 disk drive (1.6-inches high) in DIGITAL StorageWorks System Building
Block
3.5-inch form factor
Extra-high performance -- 7,200 RPM
Up to 10 MB per second data transfer rate
Up to 8 msec average seek time
Leading-edge technology -- Magneto-resistive (MR) heads and embedded servo
Tagged command queuing and multi-initiator support
On-the-fly ECC error correction
Self-Monitoring Analysis and Reporting Technology (SMART) capable
Technical data
Configuration information
Requires HSOF V3.1 or V5.1 controller firmware in support of the following StorageWorks
storage array controllers:
HSD30, HSD40, HSD50
HSJ30, HSJ40, HSJ50
HSZ40, HSZ50
Operating system support (minimum revision levels)
DIGITAL UNIX -- V3.2c
Windows NT -- 3.51-1
OpenVMS Alpha -- V6.2
OpenVMS VAX -- V6.0
Technical specifications
The following chart compares the new DIGITAL RZ40 disk drive against DIGITAL RZ29B and
RZ28D drives:
Model number
RZ40
RZ29B
RZ28D
Capacity (GB)
9.1
4.3
2.1
Interface
Fast SCSI-2
Fast SCSI-2
Fast SCSI-2
Transfer rate (MB per second)
10 (Narrow)
10 (Narrow)
10 (Narrow)
20 (Wide)
20 (Wide)
Internal data rate (Mbits/sec)
121 average
47.5 to 72
49.4 to 72
Cache (KB)
1,024
1,024
512
Average seek (ms)
8
8
8
Average latency (ms)
4.17
4.17
4.17
Servo heads
0 (Embedded)
1 (Dedicated)
1 (Dedicated)
Recording method
Peak
RLL
RLL
Head type
MR
Thin Film
Thin Film
RPM
7,200
7,200
7,200
Power (idle watts)
12.0
12.0
8.8
Height (inches)
1.6
1.6
1
Form factor (inches)
3.5
3.5
3.5
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| 6446.7 | and here is the marketing stuff.... | SUBSYS::VIDIOT::PATENAUDE | Ask your boss for ARRAY's... | Thu Mar 06 1997 09:43 | 76 |
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MAYNARD, Mass., March 3, 1997 -- Digital Equipment Corporation today
is introducing a new Nine-GB magnetic disk drive for its high-
availability StorageWorks RAID Array subsystems, lowering the cost
of storage for customers with data-intensive applications. Digital's
StorageWorks subsystems are now the most cost-effective storage
solutions on the market for large-scale computing projects such as
data warehousing or mail and messaging in centralized or distributed
mixed-vendor environments.
Configurations are available for 45 cents per megabyte at list
price -- the lowest cost in the market today. Using the new Nine-GB
drives, customers can configure up to a terabyte of storage in a
single StorageWorks cabinet that occupies only 7.5 square feet of
floorspace. StorageWorks subsystems with the new drives offer more
capacity per square foot than comparable solutions from EMC, and
support multivendor hardware platforms, unlike solutions from Sun
Microsystems.
"With database sizes growing at phenomenal rates, customers are
looking for solutions with hundreds of gigabytes to multiple
terabytes of storage, and that can be costly," said Dave Coombs,
vice president of Digital's Worldwide Storage Marketing group. "This
is especially true for data warehouse and mail and messaging
applications which are often distributed across an enterprise.
Digital is responding by offering customers multivendor storage
solutions with the capacity and functionality they need, at prices
they can afford."
Dave Richardson, business development manager at Bershire
Computer, a VAR that specializes in high-end data management
solutions, said, "The addition of the Nine-GB disk drives to the
Digital StorageWorks product line more than doubles the capacity of
our storage solutions while maintaining the same footprint. It
enables us to meet our customers' growing storage requirements and
offer solutions at a lower cost per megabyte."
Based on a modular architecture, the StorageWorks family
includes RAID Array subsystems that span the desktop to the data
center, comprehensive storage management software, and a range of
industry-leading devices.
In a recent survey conducted by Computerworld, a weekly
newspaper for information systems managers, customers gave Digital's
StorageWorks products the highest ratings versus Compaq, Sun, IBM,
and Hewlett-Packard in terms of overall satisfaction, compatibility
with server hardware, and price.
Pricing and Availability
Digital's Nine-GB drive in a 3.5" form factor with magneto-
resistive heads is priced at $3,349. It is compatible with previous
generations of Digital's magnetic disks and is available now.
For more information about Digital's complete line of storage
hardware and software products, call 1-800-STORWORK (1-800-786-7967)
or visit http://www.storage.digital.com on the World Wide Web.
Digital Equipment Corporation is a world leader in open client/
server solutions from personal computing to integrated worldwide
information systems. Digital's scalable Intel and Alpha platforms,
storage, networking, software and services, together with industry-
focused solutions from business partners, help organizations compete
and win in today's global marketplace.
####
Note to Editors: Digital, the Digital logo, StorageWorks, and
OpenVMS are trademarks of Digital Equipment
Corporation. UNIX is a registered trademark in
the United States and other countries, licensed
exclusively through X/Open Company, Ltd. Microsoft
is a registered trademarks and Windows and Windows
NT are trademarks of Microsoft Corporation. Other
trademarks are the property of their respective
owners.
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| 6446.8 | | HOUNDD::BASSETT | Bill | Thu Mar 06 1997 18:02 | 9 |
| hey Roger,
Not only is it announced, but I heard yesterday that there are already
1000+ orders.... Talk about pent-up demand.
However, did I get a personalized copy of the announcement? Angela
must have forgotten the SBB team! :-)
Bill
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| 6446.9 | How many can you put in a BA-356? | SLOAN::HOM | | Fri Mar 07 1997 14:31 | 7 |
| For some reason, there's no mention on the number
supported in a BA-356 shelf. Everyone is assuming
that with a single 150 W supply, 7 9GB drives can be
used. Is that correct?
Gim
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| 6446.10 | | HOUNDD::BASSETT | Bill | Fri Mar 07 1997 18:05 | 11 |
| re: .9
Gim,
In a word.... yes.
7 DS-RZ40-VA are supported by 1 BA35X-HF (150W P/S). However if your
personality card consumes more power than the BA35X-MH, you will be
limited to 6 drives with the BA35X-HF. (Sorry, can say anymore at
this time....)
Bill
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| 6446.11 | rz40 on 3190 | HLFS00::ROOIJ_A | | Mon Mar 10 1997 08:00 | 5 |
| will the rz40 works in a storage works box on a older m3190 ?
thanks
arno
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| 6446.12 | Notice the fine print... | SMURF::KNIGHT | Fred Knight | Tue Mar 11 1997 08:26 | 10 |
| Make sure you read it all:
> Note that the drive is not supported
> in the StorageWorks BA356-KC pedestal, but can be used in any
> of the StorageWorks SW300/500/800 cabinets.
It's only supported behind HS* controllers, NOT as a bare drive
in a bare BA356 cabinet.
Fred
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| 6446.13 | is .12 true ?? | FIREBL::LEEDS | From VAXinated to Alphaholic | Tue Mar 11 1997 13:23 | 25 |
| re: .12
>
>Make sure you read it all:
>
>> Note that the drive is not supported
>> in the StorageWorks BA356-KC pedestal, but can be used in any
>> of the StorageWorks SW300/500/800 cabinets.
>
>It's only supported behind HS* controllers, NOT as a bare drive
>in a bare BA356 cabinet.
>
Is that true ?!? Just because a drive is in a SW500/800 cabinet
doesn't mean it's behind an HS* controller !!! We configure some large
Oracle systems with lots of disks mounted in a SW800 cabinet, but directly
connected to the host via KZPSAs, no HSZxx involved !! Nowhere in this
annoncment did I see a restriction that says the drive HAS to be behind an
HS* controller, only that it is not supported in a BA356-KC pedestal.
Please check and confirm one way or the other ...
Arlan
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| 6446.14 | | AMCFAC::RABAHY | dtn 471-5160, outside 1-810-347-5160 | Wed Mar 12 1997 07:19 | 4 |
| re .13:
If you don't use an HS* then, from a KZPSA, you'll need a DWZZ*. Otherwise you
could get into a backplane RAID controller or just the KZPAA.
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| 6446.15 | What about the SWXCR ? | GVPROD::MSTEINER | | Thu Mar 13 1997 03:59 | 4 |
| And what about the support for the various SWXCR (alias KZESC/KZPSC)
Mylex (?) controllers ?
Michel.
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| 6446.16 | | SMURF::KNIGHT | Fred Knight | Thu Mar 13 1997 14:18 | 22 |
| From note .6:
> Configuration information
>
> Requires HSOF V3.1 or V5.1 controller firmware in support of the following StorageWorks
> storage array controllers:
> HSD30, HSD40, HSD50
> HSJ30, HSJ40, HSJ50
> HSZ40, HSZ50
From note .3
> Note that the drive is not supported
> in the StorageWorks BA356-KC pedestal, but can be used in any
> of the StorageWorks SW300/500/800 cabinets.
I took the combination of the above to mean HS* support only.
I'd love to have someone correct me and tell me my assumption
is wrong. There sure isn't anything stopping direct connect
disks from working (assuming a correct version of the O/S).
Fred
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| 6446.17 | | OTOOA::JPOND | | Thu Mar 13 1997 15:23 | 13 |
| Is this a "marketing" restriction, in that the company only wants to
sell the disk into the high-end/high-margin opportunities first given
the limited supply?
Or is it a timing issue, to get the product to market as quickly as
possible only so many configurations have been tested with the others
to follow?
It does not seem likely that the drive would *not* work on the other
controllers.
Any comments appreciated,
Jim
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| 6446.18 | Believe it or not... | SSAG::LARY | teach 10,000 stars how not to dance | Fri Mar 14 1997 09:27 | 36 |
| > Is this a "marketing" restriction, in that the company only wants to
> sell the disk into the high-end/high-margin opportunities first given
> the limited supply?
> Or is it a timing issue...
Based on my understanding, it is (of all things) an FCC issue.
The RZ40 drive is based on newer technology, has higher internal clock and data
frequencies, and simply radiates more than the older drives. When you put a
bunch of them into one of our shelves, the shelf exceeds the FCC Class B
emissions limits. We do not rate our drives for FCC classes, we rate our
shelves, so this drive makes our shelves "illegal" for FCC Class B.
FCC Class B is the FCC class for equipment suitable for home use. FCC Class A
is the FCC class for equipment suitable for "industrial" use - in offices,
factories, etc. All of the enclosures that our StorageWorks shelves fit into
are FCC Class A enclosures, except one - the BA356-KC. So, we cannot claim that
this drive is supported in the BA356-KC because that would put us in violation
of the FCC certification for this shelf. And, we cannot simply "reclassify" the
BA356-KC as FCC Class A because, well, the FCC rules are byzantine and do not
allow anything so simple.
So - will the drive work in the BA356-KC? Yes, it will.
Can users put the drive in a BA356-KC in "industrial" environments without
creating excessive RF emissions? Yes, they can, but we can't officially claim
support for the drive in this configuration.
Can those people using the BA356-KC at home install the RZ40? Well, the FCC
rules are ultimately based on something real, and so these users might notice
an increased level of snow on their TV sets - if the BA356-KC is sitting on
top of the TV...
We are working on an improved BA356-KC which will allow these drives and be
certifiable as FCC Class B. It will have a different part number.
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| 6446.19 | more on RZ40 FCC | HOUNDD::BASSETT | Bill | Fri Mar 14 1997 17:21 | 33 |
| re: .18
Actually - the "class B compliant with the new family of drives"
BA356-KC will remain as the BA356-KC - but with a new rev (B01 vs.
A01). What Richie states is very true, the rules for FCC and CE Mark
are incredibly difficult to understand - and frequently contradictory!
The DS-RZ40-VA will ALWAYS be class A, since that's what it was
qualified as. To be Class B - it would require a new part number.
Since we want to keep the BA356-KC as class B and NOT introduce a new
BA356-Kx variation AND meet the shipping date for the DS-RZ40-VA, it
was decided to forgo meeting Class B for the DS-RZ40-VA. Since the
pedestal version of the BA356 was the only BA356 used in the class B
environment, RZ40's are "banned" from the pedestal. (Remember... the
RZ40 is the NARROW 9Gb....)
If the RZ40 could have waited for the shelf and SBB FCC mods, the RZ40
would have been class B. The remaining drives of the new family are
planned to ship later - so will meet class B.
NOTE: when we say FCC testing or FCC issues, we are referring to
compliance to DECstd 103. DECstd 103 incorporates EMI/RFI requirements
from all over the world. In the US it's FCC, in Europe it's CE,
Australia is C-Tick, in Japan VCCI.... Then there are the "CISPR"
limits which I believe combine all of the above into one set of test
limits. [A product might pass CE, but fail FCC (or vice versa) since
CE limits are different than FCC. Europe and the US use different
frequency ranges for radio and TV.] I can't remember if we are using
CISPR now or are simply testing to combined limits.
It's been busy the last few months getting these drives to pass....
Bill
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| 6446.20 | | OTOOA::JPOND | | Tue Mar 25 1997 13:43 | 11 |
| Another query....
Looking at the press release for the RZ40 drive, it says that supported
OS's include something called "Windows NT 3.51-1".
What actually is meant by this, as it definitely does not refer to any
version of Windows NT that I am familiar with 8-)
Thanks in advance,
Jim
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| 6446.21 | How about the RA310? | LEXSS1::LYONS | | Wed Mar 26 1997 08:14 | 7 |
| Is the RZ40 supported in a RA310?
The enclosure is not a BA356-KC nor a SWXXX.
The controller is a HSZ20 with HSOF SW?
Thanx-
jfl
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| 6446.22 | Problems Installing a FR-CFCBA-CA on a 2100 | SVCVAX::GAMBARDELLA | Gamby Gumba | Thu Apr 03 1997 12:32 | 22 |
| A customer called me because they had trouble installing a FR-CFCBA-CA (RZ40)
on a 2100. They are running Windows NT v3.51 with sp5. The drive is being
installed in the internal BA35x box and is replacing an RZ28-VW. The drives
are running off the embedded SCSI controller. Basically what the customer
tells me they did was remove the RZ28-VW in position 4 (SCSI ID 5) and
install the FR-CFCBA-CA in its place. They then had SCSI bus addressing
problems. It looked like there were 2 drives at SCSI ID 4. The new drive
did not come up as SCSI ID 5, but rather as 4 and duplicated another drives
ID. They did not spend any time troubleshooting this and put back in the
RZ28-VW.
I did not find much info on these new drives, so I have some questions.
o Are they supported off the embedded SCSI controller on the 2100?
o Are they supported under Windows NT V3.51?
o The customer tells me that there are 2 switches on the back of the drives.
What are they used for?
Thanks for any help/pointers.
/mike gambardella
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| 6446.23 | I don't think a FR-CFCBA-CA is an RZ40 | OTOOA::LAVIGNE | | Thu Apr 03 1997 13:23 | 9 |
| First of all an FR-anything is a PCBU drive which is not StorageWorks
and is not tested nor supported in anything but a PCBU product. What
should have been ordered is a DS-RZ40-xx. This is a fully supported
product on Digital Alpha, NT/Unix/VMS/SUN/HP/everything else. If you
order PCBU drives don't plan on it working or being supported on anything
but a PCBU product. If you want supported and tested product buy
StorageWorks.
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| 6446.24 | Will an RZ40 Work Instead?? | SVCVAX::GAMBARDELLA | Gamby Gumba | Fri Apr 04 1997 14:08 | 13 |
| .-1 You're right I called the customer back today and they did try to save a
few bucks by not buying the Storageworks certified version of the drive. Can
I tell them that an RZ40 is supported in their configuration? It sounds like
it is, but I could not find much info on these drives. I just want to make
sure before I tell the customer to order one.
Again they want to install an RZ40 off the internal SCSI bus on a 2100 running
Windows NT V3.51 sp5.
Thanks
/Mike Gambardella
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| 6446.25 | Check the SOC. | SUBSYS::VIDIOT::PATENAUDE | Ask your boss for ARRAY's... | Fri Apr 04 1997 14:40 | 14 |
|
The Systems And Options catalog should list what drives are usable on the 2100.
By internal you mean the internal StorageWorks shelf? If so the your looking for
a DS-RZ40-VA.
Another point;
>Storageworks certified version of the drive
It is not that the FR drive was not certified, it's totally different. It is not
an RZ40, it is the same base hardware as a RZ40, but different inquiry data,
geometry, specs, firmware, mode pages, etc...
roger.
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| 6446.26 | | OTOOA::LAVIGNE | | Fri Apr 04 1997 16:33 | 10 |
| I was just trying to keep it simple, but you are right the FR stuff is
completely different. Although most customers think they are the same
because they look like StorageWorks. As for being supported on the
2100. Probably not officially yet. They are being supported only on
the HS controllers until the qual process is finished (they may even
not go back to the 2100for internal drives). Keep in mind if you are
not using these behind Raid controllers and the customer is looking for
high performance with fewer spindles (to keep costs down) he is
probably in for a negative surprise. Two 4.3's would probably be better.
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| 6446.27 | RA310? | BIGCHZ::EZZELL | Mike Ezzell | Wed Apr 30 1997 13:35 | 14 |
| The question in .21 was not answered. I need to know the answer to this.
<<< Note 6446.21 by LEXSS1::LYONS >>>
-< How about the RA310? >-
Is the RZ40 supported in a RA310?
The enclosure is not a BA356-KC nor a SWXXX.
The controller is a HSZ20 with HSOF SW?
Thanx-
jfl
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| 6446.28 | Not unless you have HSOF V3.1-0 | SSDEVO::RMCLEAN | | Wed Apr 30 1997 14:51 | 1 |
| Only with V3.1 of the software...
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| 6446.29 | DS-RZ40-VA in RA450? | VAXRIO::16.179.32.22::VAXRIO::ALCIDES | Storage Sales | Tue May 13 1997 14:40 | 17 |
| > Requires HSOF V3.1 or V5.1 controller firmware in support of the
followin
> storage array controllers:
> HSD30, HSD40, HSD50
> HSJ30, HSJ40, HSJ50
> HSZ40, HSZ50
From note .3
> Note that the drive is not supported
> in the StorageWorks BA356-KC pedestal, but can be used in any
> of the StorageWorks SW300/500/800 cabinets.
Looks like it's supported in RA450.
Correct?
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| 6446.30 | | UTOPIE::OETTL | hide bug until worst time | Wed May 14 1997 04:40 | 4 |
| The RAID Array 450 is usually (I do not know of any other possibilities)
an SW300 + HSZ50 + platform kit for SUN, HP, IBM, ...
�tzi
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