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Conference spezko::cluster

Title:+ OpenVMS Clusters - The best clusters in the world! +
Notice:This conference is COMPANY CONFIDENTIAL. See #1.3
Moderator:PROXY::MOORE
Created:Fri Aug 26 1988
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5320
Total number of notes:23384

5257.0. "Hot sparing of shadow sets" by 60326::KAGEYAMA (Trust, but Verify) Sun Mar 16 1997 22:54

(Talking about the future plan is not recommended on a notes file, but I
give it in a different way.)

Within my knowledge hot sparing is not supported under OpenVMS volume 
shadowing software. I came to know it's supported under HOSF software or
controller based mirroring. Isn't it a disadvantage to volume shadowing?
The three member shadow set is too expensive and hot sparing pool of 
disks to two member shadow sets seems to be a very reasonable alternative.
Furthermore loosing one of two shadow set members is likely to be not 
noticed by customers.

Any comments?

- Kazunori
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5257.1Should Work FineXDELTA::HOFFMANSteve, OpenVMS EngineeringMon Mar 17 1997 09:5011
:Within my knowledge hot sparing is not supported under OpenVMS volume 
:shadowing software. 

   This should work fine, and is fully supported assuming geometries match.
   Performing a BACKUP/PHYSICAL from a good member to the new member can
   speed the necessary merge operation, but this requires dismounting a
   "good" member to act as the source, and this involves performing two
   merges (the "good" volume will get stale, and the physical copy of the
   "good" volume will be stale).  (Dismounting the volume and performing
   the merges may not be entirely desirable in a two volume shadowset.)
5257.2Automatic hot sparing60326::KAGEYAMATrust, but VerifyMon Mar 17 1997 20:258
I thought the word "hot sparing" describes the automatic replacement of
the failed shadow, mirror, or raid set members with spare set members.

And I beleive it's not supported unser OpenVMS volume shadowing software.
Right?

- Kazunori
5257.3EVMS::MORONEYMon Mar 17 1997 20:354
VMS Host Based Shadowing does not support automatic replacement of member
devices.  (don't know anout controller based shadowing).  HBS will detect the
removed member as failed and will remove it in SHADOW_MBR_TIMEOUT seconds,
if the removed member wasn't the only source.
5257.4SMOPXDELTA::HOFFMANSteve, OpenVMS EngineeringTue Mar 18 1997 11:1210
:I thought the word "hot sparing" describes the automatic replacement of
:the failed shadow, mirror, or raid set members with spare set members.
:
:And I beleive it's not supported unser OpenVMS volume shadowing software.
:Right?

   Transparent and automatic?  No.  Though this implementation looks like
   maybe an hour's worth of DCL coding...

5257.5AMCFAC::RABAHYdtn 471-5160, outside 1-810-347-5160Wed Mar 19 1997 09:481
POLYcenter Watchdog and POLYcenter Console Manager ought to be able to help.