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Title:Catholic Theology
Notice:Catechism is HERE! See 1145.14
Moderator:PATE::COTE
Created:Wed Jan 28 1987
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1432
Total number of notes:15553

1407.0. "Medjugorje" by POWDML::NOURSE () Mon Sep 16 1996 15:49

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1407.1CSC32::HENNINGA rose with no thornsTue Sep 17 1996 17:1213
1407.2will share what I can soonPOWDML::CICCONEFri Sep 27 1996 17:216
1407.3some notes from Oct '96POWDML::CICCONEFri Jan 31 1997 14:22117
    Sorry this update is late.  Thanks Jack for prompting me to share
    these notes.  My previous visits were in 1990 and '91 so some of the 
    following may not be new news, yet regarding the state of peace in that 
    region, I can share some current events and thoughts.
    
    Medjugorje is still highly visited.  There were about 10,000 pilgrims 
    during the week of Oct 6, 1996, about 2,000 english speaking.  The format 
    of events taking place in St. James are the same as I remember; talks are 
    held in the afternoon (depending on availability of Priests).  The Rosary 
    begins daily at 5:00pm followed by the Croatian Mass.  English Mass is at 
    10:00 in the a.m.  Eucharistic Adoration is at 9:00 or 10:00 PM (seasonal 
    time) usually on Wednesday and Saturday.  And on Thursdays following Mass, 
    there's Adoration of the Cross.  
    
    Nearer to Mt. Krizevac, near the Campo della Vita', the Oasis of Peace 
    center holds adoration all day, every day.  The religious order is very
    strict on silence beyond a certain point.

    Vicka continues to give talks daily to a mixed audience (2-3 interpreters) 
    and again solely for italian speaking pilgrims.  She is a wonderful speaker 
    and warmly receives everyone, and I saw her surrounded by crowds nearly 
    all day long.  Petitions collected during these gatherings are placed in 
    Vicka's room in her family's home where they are offered to Our Lady during 
    her daily apparitions.  After three days, they are burned.   This is 
    where I delivered the petitions I carried with me from some of you.  The 
    visionaries receive their apparitions in their homes whenever they're in 
    Medj.  In '92, they were held in the tower of St. James.

    Vicka is writing a biography of the Life of The Blessed Mother as told 
    to her in her apparitions; not yet ready for publication - not the right 
    time to be released.
    
    Fr. Jozo gives talks in his Parish church in Siroki Brijeg.  I finally 
    had the opportunity to see the statue he commissioned (made in Italy) 
    of The Blessed Mother, located in a church in Tijhalina.  I'm sure you
    all know which one I'm referring to as this image is extremely popular.  
    What I had heard about the likeness to that of a living, breathing person 
    is true!  Fr. Jozo lovingly and firmly invites pilgrim to accept this 	
    image, stating; "This is your mother".  Pictures of this image are 
    blessed and handed out during his talks.

    Mirjana still receives locutions every 2nd of the month - her mission is to 
    pray for the 'non-believers'.  During this time, pilgrims are now able to 
    join with her when previously she had to be alone in prayer.  I don't know 
    where these take place since this news reached me after I came home.   
           
    A friend of mine takes groups over at least 4x's a year so she knows
    the natives quite well.  I was introduced to a couple of Croatian
    brothers who talked rather cadidly about the history and troubles
    associated with their civil wars.  They are not suprised at all that
    the Blessed Mother appeared in Medj. and is staying so long with them.  
    Their devotion to her is unquestionably firm.  They praised the 
    Franciscans, giving them the credit for the fact that Catholicism is
    still alive in their country.  
    
    They were both POW's not too long ago.  Both have seen their friends get 
    killed and some turn into traitors.  They're certain that war is imminent 
    when the U.S. troops leave. They believe the UN is a big joke.  They
    are ready still to face the fact that they may have to leave their home
    in the middle of the night to join the croatian army again.
    
    (I understand that Clinton is planning to pull the troops out of Medj in 
     June of 1998)    

    During this past stay, we planned to visit Mostar (front lines) but the
    trip never materialized [by the grace of God], shells were dropped that 
    same afternoon as our scheduled trip.  My friend, the guide, says that 
    this type of intercession occurs all the time.  Either things work out for 
    her to take groups to Mostar and there's no bombing, or something 
    happens to prevent the 1/2 hour drive, and even curtail trips if they are 
    in Mostar already.  The reason for the shelling in Mostar according to
    these brothers, is that the Serbs are making the statement of "We're still
    here"! Meaning they haven't given up on their conquest of occupying 
    Croatian territory.
    
    As some of you may know, I've been involved with the efforts for
    rebuilding the Church of St. Peter and Paul in Mostar.  Because of
    these efforts, nearly 2,000 people are attending Mass in the basement
    on a daily basis; they've been reconstucting the Church from the ground
    up.  Unfortunately though, the shelling on Oct 10 shattered the new windows
    that had recently been purchased and installed.  More importantly
    however, is the fact that those people are being driven from the Church
    again, as well as their homes nearby.  Some of these funds are temporarily
    being put toward supplies for them.
    
    Our native friend, went on to share his thoughts on our political and 
    social problems here in the U.S.  Out of his experiences, he believes that 
    all the elements are in place for a civil war to occur; politically there 
    is chaos as well as the hatred between ethnic classes.  And economically 
    and militarily we are not prepared for internal nor external conflict.  
    Basically, he confirmed a lot of what many of my American/Medj. touched 
    friends believe but it was especially interesting to hear it from his 
    perspective.  Many of us, he agreed, can't fathom the sufferings and 
    struggles of such a hate-driven war as is occuring in Croatia.      
    
    And we asked him if he ever saw the 'Gospa'.  While he was too
    humble and sincere to share any personal experience with us, he did 
    confirm stories and writings which tell of how all of the villages had
    witnessed an apparition very early on.  For those of you who have
    visited Medjugorje, you can clearly see how they 'live' out their
    conversion and faith.
    
    It was, needless to say, a very inspiring visit for me and my husband. 
    We arrived in Medjugorje on our first year anniversary and each of us
    experienced a personal blessing during our stay that week.  My husband 
    also received a physical healing. 
    
    In Italy afterwards, we missed the Pope - we had a scheduled 
    meeting with him on Oct 13 which was cancelled due to him being in 
    the hospital.  Then we got delayed in Rome three additional days due to 
    an air traffic controllers strike on Tues, Oct 15, the day the Pope
    returned to his quarters in the Vatican, and so we then hoped to see him 
    for his Wednesday audience in the square on Oct 16, at least.  That too 
    was a 'no show'!  He acknowledged and thanked the crowds however, on the 
    following Sunday.  I was planning to ask him his feelings about 
    Medjugorje!...maybe next time.
     
1407.4JPII to visit Bosnia ?OSITEL::BRITTAINPeter, TOEM support Munich @RTO 865-3102Tue Feb 04 1997 05:3413
                                                    ...   the day the Pope
>    returned to his quarters in the Vatican, and so we then hoped to see him 
>    for his Wednesday audience in the square on Oct 16, at least.  That too 
>    was a 'no show'!  He acknowledged and thanked the crowds however, on the 
>    following Sunday.  I was planning to ask him his feelings about 
>    Medjugorje!...maybe next time.
>     

    I heard that the pope is planning to visit Bosnia (at least Sarajevo)
    very soon. Can anybody confirm this ?


    -pb
1407.5UpdatesPOWDML::NOURSETue Feb 04 1997 07:409
    Does anyone here receive Twin Circle? It's a great newspaper that comes
    out once a week. What I was wondering is why any reference to
    Medjugorje has been eliminated from the paper. There used to be
    articles and updates weekly. Is it because the Vatican has not made a
    decision on the authenticity? Is there a newsletter that I can receive
    that focuses on Medjugorje?
    
    Terri
    
1407.6information sources...POWDML::CICCONETue Feb 04 1997 09:0810
    Terri,
    It's not as frequent, but Caritas of Birmingham (tel no. 205-672-2000)
    has a very good quarterly newsletter.  Also, check out the internet,
    one Medj. specific site is: www.medjugorje.org/index.html.
    
    Dyan
     
    

  
1407.7CSC32::HENNINGA rose with no thornsThu Feb 06 1997 11:136
    From a Medjugorje bulletin of February 1:
    
    * Pope John Paul II will come to Sarajevo from 12 to 14 April. Let's
      pray hard. (By the way, he's going to fly over Medjugorje!)
    
    For more info, see Dyan's internet address.  
1407.8add'l info sourcesPOWDML::CICCONEThu Feb 06 1997 13:4316
    Re: .5
    
    Check out the 'Blue Letter' published monthly by THE RIEHLE FOUNDATION.
    Their internet site doesn't seem to be up-to-date with it's blue letter
    page...see: www.itek.net/~mission/cathlc/bluelett/home.html
    but if you're interested, you can call, write or fax them at:
    	P.O. Box 7, Milford, OH  45150-0007   U.S.A.
        Tel: 513.576.0032
    	Fax: 513.576.0022
    
    Also, see: www.missionnet.com/~mission/cathlc/home.html - there's a
    section on 'Mary/Saints/Spiritual/Apparitions' which includes Medj. and
    specifically, 'Sister Emmanuel's Letters' and 'Press Bulletins' and the 
    'Call to Peace' on-line Newsletter.  And much, much more...    
    
    
1407.9Our Lady Queen of PeacePOWDML::NOURSEThu May 08 1997 16:206
    I just received and issue of "Our Lady Queen of Peace" in the
    interoffice mail with no return address. Did anyone here send it? I
    would like to thank whoever it was. What a nice surprise.
    
    Terri