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Title:DECstation PC Conference
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Created:Tue Jan 10 1989
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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7447.0. "Starion 942 Horror Story" by PKGSRV::pto1038_port7.pto.dec.com::MitchBrown ([email protected]) Tue May 20 1997 17:31

I am sorry to report that I have a horror story related to a Digital Starion 942.  It is 
mine.  I purchased this system at a Servicenter Sale.  To understand the horror story, I 
need to explain some background.

I recently purchased some game software (diablo, to be precise).  It runs just fine on 
the system - but a friend of mine noticed that it runs really, really slow.  I've got 
40MB of ram on the system, so I know that isn't the problem.  I obtained a buslogic SCSI 
adapter some time ago to do tape backups to my TLZ07.  I also have a couple of RZ28s on 
the SCSI bus that I use to supplement the internal IDE drive.

My system is a Digital Starion 942.  It has 2 built-in IDE controllers.  There is one IDE 
drive connected, a 1.6GB Western Digital drive.  On the Buslogic SCSI card, I have 
connected three DEC RZ28 drives (2.0GB each).  I have no trouble accessing any of these 
drives.

What I wanted to do was to configure the system to boot from the SCSI adapter rather than 
the IDE adapter.  This way, I could build a new configuration and be able to switch back 
to my previous boot disk any time I wanted. I went round about with Buslogic technical 
support and eventually learned that in order to make it work, I had to disable the IDE 
drive.  This was accomplished by going into the Phoenix BIOS setup and changing the IDE 
master drive 0 type to "NONE".

Now, on to the horror story.  I booted from a floppy, and the bios reported no internal 
drives.  The scsi adapter hooked up the SCSI drives as drives C, D, & E.  I used FDISK 
and FORMAT on the "C" scsi drive.  This appeared to work.  I SYSed the scsi "C" drive, 
and it appeared to work.  I then attempted to boot from the newly formatted and SYSed 
drive.  It hung on the boot.  I then rebooted with the floppy, and it looked like the 
SCSI drive was garbage.  I figured it might have had some bad blocks (that's what 
SCANDISK told me).

So, I decided to rerun FDISK and FORMAT, then do a full SCANDISK scan. The FDISK went 
fine.  When I ran format, it said: Formatting 2.004GB (obviously the SCSI RZ28 drive).  
After watching it go through about 30% of the drive, I heard the internal (IDE) drive 
making noises.  I then noticed the RZ28 drive activity light was not on.  I immediately 
cancelled the format, went back and reenabled the IDE drive, and found that it had been 
trashed.

Somewhere, there is a serious problem.  I suspect it is in the BIOS somewhere, but I have 
no idea where to start looking.  The buslogic people seem to think that would be a 
Phoenix BIOS problem rather than the Buslogic adapter.  I'm inclined to agree.

I would really like to hear some ideas on why this happened.  Any guesses?????

The upshot of the story though, is that I did get my original problem fixed.  The 
performance problem went away after a fresh install of Windows 95.  I didn't anticipate 
the solution being so extensive, though. ;-)

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I am sorry to report that I have a horror story related to a Digital Starion 
942.  It is mine.  I purchased this system at a Servicenter Sale.  To 
understand the horror story, I need to explain some background.

I recently purchased some game software (diablo, to be precise).  It runs just 
fine on the system - but a friend of mine noticed that it runs really, really 
slow.  I've got 40MB of ram on the system, so I know that isn't the problem.  
I obtained a buslogic SCSI adapter some time ago to do tape backups to my TLZ07.
I also have a couple of RZ28s on the SCSI bus that I use to supplement the 
internal IDE drive.

My system is a Digital Starion 942.  It has 2 built-in IDE controllers.  There
is one IDE drive connected, a 1.6GB Western Digital drive.  On the Buslogic 
SCSI card, I have connected three DEC RZ28 drives (2.0GB each).  I have no 
trouble accessing any of these drives.

What I wanted to do was to configure the system to boot from the SCSI adapter 
rather than the IDE adapter.  This way, I could build a new configuration and 
be able to switch back to my previous boot disk any time I wanted. I went round
about with Buslogic technical support and eventually learned that in order to 
make it work, I had to disable the IDE drive.  This was accomplished by going 
into the Phoenix BIOS setup and changing the IDE master drive 0 type to "NONE".

Now, on to the horror story.  I booted from a floppy, and the bios reported no 
internal drives.  The scsi adapter hooked up the SCSI drives as drives C, D, &
E.  I used FDISK and FORMAT on the "C" scsi drive.  This appeared to work.  
I SYSed the scsi "C" drive, and it appeared to work.  I then attempted to boot
from the newly formatted and SYSed drive.  It hung on the boot.  I then 
rebooted with the floppy, and it looked like the SCSI drive was garbage.  
I figured it might have had some bad blocks (that's what SCANDISK told me).

So, I decided to rerun FDISK and FORMAT, then do a full SCANDISK scan. The 
FDISK went fine.  When I ran format, it said: Formatting 2.004GB (obviously 
the SCSI RZ28 drive).  After watching it go through about 30% of the drive, I 
heard the internal (IDE) drive making noises.  I then noticed the RZ28 drive 
activity light was not on.  I immediately cancelled the format, went back and 
reenabled the IDE drive, and found that it had been trashed.

Somewhere, there is a serious problem.  I suspect it is in the BIOS somewhere,
but I have no idea where to start looking.  The buslogic people seem to think 
that would be a Phoenix BIOS problem rather than the Buslogic adapter.  I'm 
inclined to agree.

I would really like to hear some ideas on why this happened.  Any guesses?????

The upshot of the story though, is that I did get my original problem fixed.  
The performance problem went away after a fresh install of Windows 95.  
I didn't anticipate the solution being so extensive, though. ;-)

7447.2If memory serves me...ACISS2::BEJCEKTue May 20 1997 23:178
    A potential issue.  Check the CMOS setup again.  Might there be both a 
    setting for the disk type AND another setting to enable/disable the 
    internal IDE.  I can't recall if I saw that on the Starion of one other
    PC.
    
    Just a thought....
    
    
7447.3I think .2 is correct...BOOKS::RAPHAELSONWed May 21 1997 12:1212
    I think .2 is right - just setting drive 0 to none doesn't turn it off
    - you have to disable the IDE controller in the bios to prevent the
    controller from checking to see if the drive is there.  When it checks
    and finds a drive, maybe it auto types what it finds. Note that
    disabling the IDE controller in the bios may not free up the IRQ and
    DMA it may use - I think Windows sometimes assumes via PnP that the 
    controller still owns the resources, but the controller is bad/unavailable.
    I have also tried deleting the controller from the system device list, but 
    even though it is disabled in the Bios, it always comes back on the
    list - this is the case when attempting to disable the secondary controller,
    anyway.  Maybe disabling both IDE controllers would have different
    results...........................Jon..................................
7447.4Disable IDE in CMOSPCBUOA::GKELLEYWed May 21 1997 15:2813
    There is a disable in the BIOS (on the Advanced, Advanced chipset
    controls menu). Under Win95, the controller will still show up, 
    but if you check in the properties you'll see that its disabled 
    (also frees up the resources). When you disable the IDE controller 
    in CMOS, 
    
    For this to work, you'll have to disable the IDE0 and select the disk
    as NONE. You'll also only be able to boot from a DOS boot disk (Win95
    bootdisk does not appear to work).
    
    regards,
    
    glen kelley