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Conference giadev::decstation

Title:DECstation PC Conference
Notice:register note 2, see notes 3 & 4
Moderator:TARKIN::LININD
Created:Tue Jan 10 1989
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:7470
Total number of notes:34994

7439.0. "Can Venturis575 be upgraded to 120MHz?" by OZROCK::THOMAS (Forget the Rabbit, the Duck makes the show!) Mon May 12 1997 08:49

Can the Venturis 575FP be upgraded to a 12OMhz Pentium?

Page A-2 of the Venturis User's Guide lists 75, 90, 100, and 120Mhz 
as available CPU speeds, but the description of the clock speed 
jumper settings on page A-10 only lists:

75MHz = J22 open, J21 open

90MHz = J22 jumpered, J21 open

100Mhz = J22 jumpered, J21 jumpered

The meaning of "J22 open, J21 jumpered" isn't defined. Is it used for anything?

Hugh.
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7439.1http://pcbu.ako.dec.com/PCBUOA::LIBKINDSam Libkind - PC Support Engineering 276-9465Mon May 12 1997 09:334
    See the http://pcbu.ako.dec.com/ site for the information.
    Read "Venturis 5xxx README.TXT update (text)" 
    
    Sam.
7439.2Doesn't look promisingOZROCK::THOMASForget the Rabbit, the Duck makes the show!Mon May 12 1997 20:4220
Re: .-1

>>See the http://pcbu.ako.dec.com/ site for the information.
>>    Read "Venturis 5xxx README.TXT update (text)" 
>>    
>>    Sam.

Thanks for the pointer.

Unfortunately, after reading the readme file I still don't
have a definitive answer. 

The readme lists processor speeds up to 166MHz and shows jumper settings 
for each. Unfortunately it refers to J25 and J35, which aren't mentioned
in the manual for my PC, and I couldn't find them on the board.
The jumper settings for the jumpers I do have don't match what's in my
manual for the lower speeds (75-100MHz).

Looks like the readme doesn't cover PCs as old as mine. ;^(
Is there an archive of readme files for the old PCs?
7439.3575NNTPD::"[email protected]"Alfred WilmsTue May 13 1997 07:5013
I'm not technical but this is what I understood from one of our support
people:

Seems to me that you have the Venturis Classic

Open the box and you should see a sticker with board partnumber
54-24012-01.

To my knowledge, you can upgrade to a 133MHZ; to this
J21, J22, J27 should be jumpered.

I'm not sure you can use the 120MHZ as the 575 has a different CPU/Heatsink.
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7439.4J21/J22 and J27PCBUOA::LIBKINDSam Libkind - PC Support Engineering 276-9465Tue May 13 1997 12:036
    For the 54-24012-0X MLB the 120MHZ CPU settings should be as following:
    
    J21/J22 - ON/ON (60MHZ clock selected)
    j27 ON - selects 2/1 CPU/ BUS ratio
    
    Sam.
7439.5jumper settingsPCBUOA::GKELLEYTue May 13 1997 12:3421
    66Mhz Clock
    
    J21 - on
    J22 - on
    
    60 Mhz Clock
    
    J21 - on
    J22 - off
    
    50 Mhz Clock
    
    J21 - off
    J22 - off
    
    For 120Mhz Pentium, set for 60Mhz Clock and multiplier to 2x (J27 - on)
    
    J27 - on = 2x
    J27 - off = 1.5x
    
    glen kelley
7439.6really ?NNTPD::"[email protected]"Tue May 13 1997 12:378
re : -1

 J21/J22 - ON/ON (60MHZ clock selected)

really ?

 My doc says J21 Jumpered; J22 Open
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7439.77439.5 is correctPCBUOA::GKELLEYWed May 14 1997 16:001
    Note 7439.5 is the correct jumpering
7439.8133MHZNNTPD::"[email protected]"Thu May 15 1997 06:285
AHA; so what are the settings for a 133MHZ ?
(expecting the chip to upgrade my 575 classic next week)
thks
Alfred
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7439.9re: .8PCBUOA::LIBKINDSam Libkind - PC Support Engineering 276-9465Thu May 15 1997 11:169
    Re: .8
    >AHA; so what are the settings for a 133MHZ ?
    
    Consider this 133/2 is ~66
    Select 66MHZ bus (J21-on; J22-on)
    Aslo select J27 - on (2x), i.e. 66MHZ * 2 = ~133MHZ.
    Right Glen?
    
    Sam.
7439.10133 settinsPCBUOA::GKELLEYFri May 16 1997 13:453
    All jumpers on for 133Mhz.
    
    glen
7439.11What about the voltage regulator?OZROCK::THOMASForget the Rabbit, the Duck makes the show!Mon May 19 1997 21:0114
OK, so the answer to my orginal questions is that it can be 
upgraded to 120MHz, or even to 133Mhz.

The next question is.... do I need a different voltage regulator?
The manual says that for some CPU upgrades, a new voltage regulator
may be required. Of course it doesn't say which ones, it just 
says that the new regulator will be included in the Digital CPU
upgrade kit if it is required.

So, which upgrades require a different voltage regulator - is it
any that require J27 ON?

Hugh.

7439.12Uses the same regulatorPCBUOA::GKELLEYTue May 20 1997 11:367
    It uses the same regulator. This is for "Standard" chip version - there
    will be an "S" on the both of the chip.
    
    Just make sure that you increase the cooling for the new CPU (either a
    cpu fan or something similar).
    
    glen
7439.13120MHz works fine.... 133MHz inconclusiveOZROCK::THOMASForget the Rabbit, the Duck makes the show!Mon May 26 1997 00:0118
Thanks for you help.

I borrowed a 120MHz Pentium chip over the weekend and tried out
the jumper settings recommended. The boot messages said it was
running at 120MHz, and it booted and ran OK.

I then tried setting the jumpers to 133MHz, expecting that it
would try run at 133MHz but would fail. What I found was that 
it still reported that it was running at 120MHz, but Windows95
failed to boot. So I'm not sure if it was really running at 133
(despite what the boot messages said) but failed because the
chip's not reated that high, or whether it failed because that
jumper combination is unsupported.

Looks like I'll have to find a 133MHz chip to borrow to try it
out. ;^)


7439.14Whose 133 chip?PCBUOA::GKELLEYWed May 28 1997 12:284
    What "133" chip do you have? Get the numbers from the chip and post
    them. Its possible that you may have a gray market relabled chip.
    
    glen
7439.15133MHz worksOZROCK::THOMASForget the Rabbit, the Duck makes the show!Tue Jun 03 1997 00:4017
>>What "133" chip do you have? Get the numbers from the chip and post
>>them. Its possible that you may have a gray market relabled chip.
>>
>>glen

I was using a 120MHz chip, and trying to clock it at 133. I wasn't surprised
that it didn't work, but I expected the boot messages to indicate that it
was running at 133MHz.

Since then I have managed to get hold of a 133MHz chip and tried it out. 
It successfully booted and as far as I can tell it was running at ~133MHz
(the Quake installation utility said it was a 127MHz Pentium ;^)).

The boot messages, however, still said that it was running at 120MHz.
Maybe if I update the BIOS, it will correctly report 133MHz.

Hugh.
7439.16QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centTue Jun 03 1997 09:377
The boot message simply reads a type code from the "ROM" of the CPU chip - it
doesn't "test" the speed.  The BIOS then looks up in a table of known values
to determine the appropriate display value.  Older BIOSes may not have 
entries for faster speeds, which is why my Celebris 590 with a 166 chip
calls itself a "5120".

					Steve