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Conference giadev::decstation

Title:DECstation PC Conference
Notice:register note 2, see notes 3 & 4
Moderator:TARKIN::LININD
Created:Tue Jan 10 1989
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:7470
Total number of notes:34994

7423.0. "Help with DECpc XL 466 CPU Upgrade" by 26031::HENRY () Fri Apr 25 1997 18:01

    Hello,
    I've been testing the Gainbery 586-133 upgrade CPU on several 
    of our 466 systems. It works on the Lpx, Venturis, and 4100 Celebris
    but NOT on the DECpc XL 466 (Mdl:775AA).
    
    Does anybody have any clues if this Upgrade CPU can be made to 
    work on these PC's?
    
    Thanks in Advance
       Harold Henry
        276-8749   
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7423.1TARKIN::LINBill LinFri Apr 25 1997 19:037
    I don't think anyone in engineering has tried it, since that cpu
    upgrade is not supported in any of the boxes you've mentioned.  The
    fact that it works on some systems is just a happy coincidence.
    
    Not an official response by the way...
    
    Bill
7423.2PYRO::RONRon S. van ZuylenSat Apr 26 1997 16:3712
    You'll see many references in this confernece (from myself and others)
    to DECpc XL 466 systems not being able to accept any "upgrade" chips...
    DX4 style chips (like the Intel DX4-100, the Am5x86-P75 (486-133), etc.)
    It just won't work... nobody knows exactly why... and don't expect any
    engineering fixes for an unsupported upgrade for an obsolete box.
    
    We did upgrade all our old DECpc LPv+ 33Mhz boxes to Am5X86-P75 chips
    last year.  (After updating the BIOS EPROMS to 1.05 from 1.01).  They
    work fine and added another year of use to them.
    
    --Ron
    
7423.3Thanks for the feedback26031::HENRYMon Apr 28 1997 10:577
    Thanks for the responses. It backs up what I feared and at least
    keeps me from wasting time trying to make it work. I'll just find
    another PC for the upgrade chip. The Gainbery 586-133 chip is nice
    because it has a onboard voltage sensor that allows it to be used on
    most motherboards with minimal trouble. Cheap too from IEG, by comparison.
       Regards
       Harold
7423.42954::FOLEYhttp://axel.zko.dec.comMon Apr 28 1997 11:168

	I DID get my 466 XL to accept a DX4 (non-overdrive) chip. Make
	sure you use the latest BIOS, 1.23 I think. You might want to
	try setting the jumper that forces the BIOS to clear all the
	settings and boot up with the factory settings.

							mike
7423.5PYRO::RONRon S. van ZuylenMon Apr 28 1997 18:387
    I've only tried overdrive style configurations using Intel and AMD
    chips.  (All I had at the time.)  With the last BIOS (1.23), it fails
    miserably no matter what.
    
    Ack!... Too bad I didn't have a standard DX4-100 to try when I cared...
    
    --Ron
7423.6Recycled XL 566 board works26031::HENRYTue Apr 29 1997 10:288
    A bit strange but I found that the XL 566 CPU board will work in the
    XL 466 box. And this board will take the INTEL 586-133 CPU upgrade.
    I found one in a system being sent to salvage (the 566 had the floating
    point problem). But perhaps the board itself can be ordered (upgraded)
    from Field Service. (They will do upgrade replacements if the cost is 
    below a certain margin).
    
     - HH 
7423.7XL560/566 daughtercard is 5VWKOL10::WALLACEDavid Wallace, SBU Sales, @WKOSun May 11 1997 15:097
    Re. .6,
    
    The XL 560/566 daughtercard is a 5 volt card.  Perhaps the Intel
    586-133 upgrade assumes a 5 volt socket?
    
    David.