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Conference giadev::decstation

Title:DECstation PC Conference
Notice:register note 2, see notes 3 & 4
Moderator:TARKIN::LININD
Created:Tue Jan 10 1989
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:7470
Total number of notes:34994

7379.0. "ultra wide drive support on zx" by QCAV01::SUPPORT () Wed Mar 12 1997 06:05

    Hi,
    
       I have a doubt about whether we can use ultra wide disks in ZX6000
    inbuilt hotswappable bays. Why i have this doubt is, though there is
    ultrawide controller listed under ZX optinos only fast and wide drives
    are listed under drives options in options catalogue. Is there any
    special requirement for ultra wide drive support like different kind
    of backplane or is there any signal length restriction which is out
    of our present Prioris ZX6000 spec?
    
    
    
    
    
    Regards,
    
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7379.1not just yet.PCBUOA::WHITECParrot_TrooperWed Mar 12 1997 10:288
    Ultra is not yet supported in the ZX.  That does not preclude putting
    in an ultra drive and running it at Wide/Fast speeds.  
    
    Engineering is putting together a position statement on Ultra in
    prioris, when it is released, I will oublish it on our internal 
    WEBsite    akin40.ako.dec.com
    
    Chet White
7379.2Ultra-Wide SCSI! I read it in PC Magazine, so I want it.SUTRA::16.192.160.138::BatsSpeeding, speeding, I'm always speedingThu Mar 20 1997 08:5132
	Keep in mind that Ultra-Wide SCSI allows for maximum cable length
	of 1.5meter! With the SCSI backplane, and the standard cables, you
	would almost always exceed the cable lengths.
	Ultra-Wide me look like a nice feature, but brings an enormous
	amount of configuration headaches. Also keep in a mind that a single
	disk in random access mode (and not sequential streaming) would give
	a throughput in the range of 2MB/s. 
	The Ultra-Wide SCSI disks, are physically different not different to
	their Fast-Wide brothers/sisters. Only their bus interface can run
	at a higher clockrate.
	Same thing for FC-AL. (Fiber Channel Arbitrated Loop. Although you
	here you can hook up maximum 126 devices.) 
	FC-AL cables can be 30 meters long with coaxia cable, or up to
	10 Kilometer for fiber-optic.
	Bandwith ranges from 100MB/s to 200MB/s (200MB/s is for dual-ported
	designs). However FC-AL devices and controllers are still very 
	expensive. As well that you need a NameServer in the FC-AL.
	These are not really available yet, so you need to resolve the 
	world-wide unique id addressing completely in the drivers.
	Something which is not simple, and current drivers are still very
	buggy. Anyway I'm drifting off.

	You can do a quick translation of how many drives you would have to
	fit in a single SCSI chain to go beyond the Fast/Wide SCSI bandwith
	of 20MB/s. At least impossible to be used in a 1.5Meter cable.
	Bottom line: You don't need Ultra-Wide SCSI, and you can't even use
	Ultra-Wide SCSI for most of the occasions, unless you're real time
	video shop.


	Pjotrr