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Title:RV notesfile
Notice:Welcome to RV's new home!roductions * Note 8 4-Sale/Wanted
Moderator:ALEPPO::BOWKER
Created:Fri Feb 27 1987
Last Modified:Wed Jun 04 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1134
Total number of notes:11505

1131.0. "Load leveling Air Bags" by IROCZ::NATUSCH () Tue May 06 1997 06:28

    I have a Grand Caravan and I pull a Starcraft pop-up that weights 1700
    unloaded.  The hitch on the Caravan is very low even unloaded.  I
    compared it to a Taurus station wagon and found that unloaded the hitch
    on the Taurus was 7-8" higher.  The problem is that my hitch hits
    bottom sometimes when pulling the trailer.  I was told that they don't
    make air shocks for the Caravan. I was also told that I could get
    inflatable airbags cost about $220 + installation.  That would at least
    help with not allowing the car to sag when I added the trailer (It
    sinks about 2") and it might even raise it up an inch or 2.  Does any
    one have any experience with these?
    
    thanks
    paul
    
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1131.1Helper springsNIOPS1::THIBODEAUTue May 06 1997 08:054
    A friend of mine just got a set of helper springs added to his Caravan
    for under $100. 
    
    Alan
1131.2SMURF::WALTERSTue May 06 1997 11:1917
    Our last vehicle was a '94 regular V6 Caravan, towing a 2000lb pop-up. 
    It did not have any such problems.  Any chance that you are overloading
    with the rear axle?
    
    Your camper manual should specify a hitch height and the axle weight
    restrictions are specified on the door pillar of the vehicle.  Do the
    math and you'll find that you don't have a lot of spare capacity inside
    the caravan when loaded with passengers.  I had to carefully adjust
    loading between the camper and the van to keep the weight (including
    trailer tongue weight) correct on the rear axle.
    
    Tip: If you don't need 7-passenger seating, remove the centre seat(s)
    and move the back seat(s) forward.  That allows you to put a bit more
    cargo weight in the back and keep it over the axle.  If you do need
    7-passenger seating, perhaps you are already close to the weight
    limit for the caravan even before you add luggage and the tongue
    weight?
1131.3Caravan hitch STAR::VAN_ERONFri May 09 1997 07:2411
    I have the same problem see note #1005. I ended up 
    installing heavier shocks in the rear. Did it really help ..
    I don't think so. I've never liked the low stance
    but it really hasn't caused me any problems as I have been
    towing like this for a few years including a 2.5k mile trip.
    
    The only time I bottom out is when pulling in and out
    of drive thrus with dips. Other than that I try not to look
    at how low the stance is and not let it bother me. 
    
    Dennis
1131.4Replace springs, not shocksHSOSS1::HARDMANHere's your sign...Sun May 11 1997 11:2339
    >I have the same problem see note #1005. I ended up 
    >installing heavier shocks in the rear. Did it really help ..
    
    Shocks do not support any weight. They are designed to simply control
    movement. "Heavy duty" just means that the shock is larger and usually
    more resistant to movement. Air shocks and coil-over shocks can
    actually support more weight, but not a large amount, as the shock
    mounts aren't designed to handle a large load. (Look at the beefy steel
    that your spring hangers (or spring seats for coils)  are made from,
    then look at that wimpy stuff holding the shocks in place). Put too
    much load on those shock mounts and they'll snap right off.
    
    If you want to raise the vehicle while it's loaded, you really need to
    be looking at progressive rate springs. They still ride nice while
    lightly loaded, but the spring rate increases as you put more weight on
    the spring. With leaf springs, they add a heavy overload leaf to the
    very bottom of the leaf pack, that is very stiff and nearly straight.
    The rest of the spring pack doesn't touch it until the vehicle is
    heavily loaded. (Look at the rear springs on most pickups for a good
    example of this). When loaded down to the point that the leaf pack
    contacts the overload leaf, the overload starts going to work. It
    doesn't flex much at all and prevents the sagging.
    
    For coils springs, you need to replace the coils with new ones that are
    progressively wound. The last coil or two are wound at a smaller
    diameter, so there's less spring material to support weight. When
    lightly loaded, that part of the spring flexes easily and the ride is
    smooth. Load it down and those coils compress to the point that the
    middle, large diameter coils start doing more of the work. They have a
    much higher spring rate and support the extra weight better so the
    vehicle doesn't sag.
    
    The factory springs are designed for the smoothest ride (unless you
    order a heavy-duty trailering package from the factory). They aren't
    designed to haul huge amounts of weight. Use the right tools for the
    job at hand. :-)
    
    Harry