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Title:Sports 93-96 Archive. No new notes allowed
Notice:Chainsaw's last standSPORTS_97
Moderator:HBAHBA::HAAS
Created:Mon Jan 11 1993
Last Modified:Tue Apr 15 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:302
Total number of notes:117855

283.0. "2008 Summer Olympics in Boston?" by CLUSTA::MAIEWSKI (Bos-Mil-Atl Braves W.S. Champs) Fri Jul 26 1996 13:45

  There seems to be a group that is talking seriously about trying to get the
rights to hold the the 2008 Summer Olympics in Boston. What do you think,
would it work or would it be a disaster?

  Two decades maybe three to replace the Gahden, one of the two oldest Baseball
parks in the country, no football stadium, no convention center, a shortage of
hotel space and we're going to build an Olympic stadium? Good luck. 

  And even if we get the buildings in place, what about social issues? We can't
even run a St Patricks day parade without a decision by the Supreme Judicial
Court to determine who can march. What happens when the Veterans find out that
some of the competitors are gay, do they cancel the parade of athletes during
opening ceremonies? No problem, just call it a protest march instead of a
parade.

  Maybe I'm being too cynical and there's an up side to this idea. Anyone have
any thoughts?

  George
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283.1CSC32::J_HENSONDon't get even, get ahead!Fri Jul 26 1996 14:008
>>     <<< Note 283.0 by CLUSTA::MAIEWSKI "Bos-Mil-Atl Braves W.S. Champs" >>>
>>                      -< 2008 Summer Olympics in Boston? >-

If they hold the 2008 olympics in Boston, should we still think of
them as the Atlanta olympics?  After all, the olympics were in
Atlanta before moving to Boston.

Jerry
283.2Soda-filled screen!IMBETR::DUPREZIt&#039;s Baseball And You&#039;re An AmericanFri Jul 26 1996 14:030
283.3CLUSTA::MAIEWSKIBos-Mil-Atl Braves W.S. ChampsFri Jul 26 1996 14:3716
RE       <<< Note 283.1 by CSC32::J_HENSON "Don't get even, get ahead!" >>>

>If they hold the 2008 olympics in Boston, should we still think of
>them as the Atlanta olympics?  After all, the olympics were in
>Atlanta before moving to Boston.

  Well they seem to have resisted changing the name of the event from Olympics
to StoneMountinx even though Mount Olympus is not in Atlanta. Add to that
Greece always leads the parade of athletes at opening ceremonies even though
they don't hold the Olympics there very often. Speaking of opening ceremonies,
one of the big events was a tribute to the Ancient Olympics in Greece.

  Funny, even though they don't hold the Olympics in Greece any more they
seem to remember their roots.

  George
283.4kill 2 birds with 1 stonePHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallWed Jul 31 1996 00:126
283.5CLUSTA::MAIEWSKIBos-Mil-Atl Braves W.S. ChampsThu Aug 01 1996 10:256
  Congradulatiosn Mike, hope that works out and she makes the team.

  Which swimming competition is she likely to do best in terms of stroke and
distance?

  George
283.6NQOS01::nqsrv346.nqo.dec.com::WorkbenchThu Aug 01 1996 14:012
Knowing Mike, she's probably a synchronized swimmer.
283.7power swimmerPHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallThu Aug 01 1996 20:046
283.8PECAD8::CHILDSMon Aug 05 1996 07:487
 Never tested? By that do mean challenged in the pool or for steriods? Have you
 been reading Eastern Block technical manuals again Mike?

 mike

 congrats just ;^)
283.9PECAD8::CHILDSMon Aug 05 1996 07:549
 Well my affirmation of this as the worst Olympics ever was confirmed this
 weekend. I took the kids to the DI to see Twister and Independence Day. ID has
 to be the hokiest blockbuster movie I seen recently. Of course my 11 year 
 liked it and stayed up for the whole thing. I really though Bill Pullman
 was making progress especially with his work in Casper but with this clunker
 he blew more than a few head gaskets.........

 mike
283.10PHXSS1::HEISERwatchman on the wallMon Aug 05 1996 14:411
283.11CLUSTA::MAIEWSKIBos-Mil-Atl Braves W.S. ChampsMon Aug 12 1996 10:5921
  According to the Boston Globe the IOC now seems to be saying that they were
unhappy with Atlanta because of the corporate involvement in the Olympics. In
the future they will insist on public funding rather than private funding to
avoid commercialism. They pointed to Sydney which will consolidate their
Olympics into two areas both publicly funded.

  The Globe said that this pretty much wipes out any chance of Boston hosting
the 2008 Olympics since getting a guarantee of public funding for the large
stadiums needed was almost impossible.

  Meanwhile the list of cities in the running for 2004 has Cape Town South
Africa at the head of the list along with Rome and Athens and several others.
If South Africa gets the Olympics it will be the 1st time the Olympics was
held anywhere on the African continent. They will make their selection in
about a year.

  The U.S. is scheduled to hold the 2002 Olympics in Utah but it's not clear if
the IOC will attempt to limit private funding. Short of taking the Olympics
away from Utah it's not clear there is anything they can do about it.

  George
283.12EDWIN::WAUGAMANHardball, good ol&#039; countryMon Aug 12 1996 11:026
    
    The IOC are a bunch of hypocrites.  Any money flowing into their 
    pockets, is good money, into anyone else's, that's bad, bad...
    
    glenn
    
283.13CLUSTA::MAIEWSKIBos-Mil-Atl Braves W.S. ChampsMon Aug 12 1996 11:0811
  I also get the feeling that this whole issue of public versus private funding
is a lot more political than anything else. In fact they sometimes seem to be
paying lip service to those against private funding while winking at things
like cities who come up with private funding or the participation of
professional athletes in amateur events.

  Must take one heck of a load of political talent to hold the job as head
of the IOC.

  George
283.14a little TLC?HBAHBA::HAASmore madness, less horrorMon Aug 12 1996 11:074
>  Must take one heck of a load of political talent to hold the job as head
>of the IOC.

I wonder what role the Trilateral Commission has in all this...
283.15Hello IOC?SPIKED::SWEENEYTom Sweeney in LKGMon Aug 12 1996 13:0617
    Maybe I'm stupid,
    
    	But I just don't get the IOC's stance on this.  Basically to land
    the Olympics, a city has to bribe the IOC.  The biggest briber wins. 
    Yeah, yeah I know, it's not outright "bribing", but the cities that
    give the IOC members the best "gifts", trips and other perks have quite
    often been the winner in the selection.
    
    	So the IOC is willing to take in the corporate money to grant the
    sites (where do you think Atlanta got their money from?  Hello
    Coca-Cola!), then they want private funding and the associated
    corporate tie ins out of it?
    
    	Sounds like a good way to tick off the people who are lining your 
    pocket and might just stop doing so in the future....
    
    zamboni
283.16the old fashioned wayHBAHBA::HAASmore madness, less horrorMon Aug 12 1996 13:199
It sounds like IOC is your typical reactionary type of organization.

They make a pile of money using the Atlanta formula (Coke, etc. gets to
pay big). Then ever one starts bad mouthing 'em for being to commercial.

So now they wanna go back to the old way which is the cities gouge the
taxpayers big time and pay off the IOC with these moneys.

TTom
283.17Juan should be gone!BUSY::RSTPIERRETue Aug 13 1996 16:3511
    
    It only makes sense that Juan the Fascist doesn't want private money
    involved in the Olympics.  It makes too much sense, and shows the so
    called "olympic ideal" that he likes to brag that he sticks to, people
    working together to reach a common goal.
    
    The clown's a hypocrite, if he held to his ideals the games would have
    been in Athens and not Atlanta.  Although ~100 people vote on where
    the games will be held, you know he has a huge influence.