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Glad he stayed to coach, wish he'd give up the GM post...

    
    	I'll reserve judgement until I see what other moves he makes. He
    canned the DB coach which is a plus. He is suppose to retain the rest
    of the staff but move them around into different spots. If he replaces
    Perkins as offensive coordinator and hires a QB coach, I'll be glad
    he stayed.
    
    Ron

    
    Two thumbs down - I'd rather have Wyche.
    
    - Sean

    >   Two thumbs down - I'd rather have Wyche. 
    
    God, that thought occurred to me and I thought I was crazy.  I agree
    that right now I'd just as soon see I guy like Sam take a shot.  One
    problem I see is Parcells having his 7mil/year invested in a run and
    shoot style quarteback when what he really wants is a control qb.
    
    Bledsoe for Mirer and a couple of draft choices?

>    Bledsoe for Mirer and a couple of draft choices?

Not on your life.  Stop showing your Catholic schoolboy bias!  :-) :-)

Bledsoe isn't a run-and-shoot-style QB.  He doesn't make reads fast enough.

Now, what would Al Davis give for a guy who can throw downfield like that?

    
      Sam Wyche? The guy the hapless Bucs just fired? Sean, I think
     you've been exceeding the recommended daily dosages of Robitussin.
     Wyche would make someone a nice offensive coordinator but save one
     SB *appearance* he hasn't done anything to show that he's a top-
     flight head coach. You people are bailing on Tuna too soon. We go
     10-6 last year against a pretty wimpy schedule and everyone starts
     thinking SB. We take one step backwards and everyone wants Tuna's
     head on a platter. Just chant to yourselves over and over again,
     "Bledsoe, Martin and Coates."  

    
    re: -1
    
    	Good point......people tend to forget there was a difference in the
    	schedules....this team was in just about every game. Drew was hurt
    	most of the season like it or not. Parcells is still better than
    	anyone who's coached here in the past Decade if not longer...
    

    roland, when I say run and shoot I'm basically saying a guy who puts it
    in the air a lot, to be honest the intricacies of R&S vs one-back etc
    I'm not into.  Segw'ing into my main point, I'm talking about the cap
    economics and Parcell having so much invested in a qb who's main talent
    is rifling it into the middle at 15-30 yards accurately.
    
    Parcells seems more comfortable with a play action type from a catholic
    college where he's obviously a lot smarter than his peers.
    
    And finally I'll ask again, where is the evidence that Bledsoe could be
    an Al Davis type, downfield hurler a la Jim Plunkett.

>    And finally I'll ask again, where is the evidence that Bledsoe could be
>    an Al Davis type, downfield hurler a la Jim Plunkett.

The same place where the evidence that he's a "run-and-shoot" QB is...

    
>     Sam Wyche? The guy the hapless Bucs just fired? Sean, I think
>     you've been exceeding the recommended daily dosages of Robitussin.
    
      The hapless Bucs?  The Bucs that got more wins than the Pats this
      year?
    
      Tampa Bay has failed with LOTS things, coaches and players included.
      There's something weird going on down there, and Sam got caught in 
      it just like Steve Walsh.
    
>     Wyche would make someone a nice offensive coordinator but save one
>     SB *appearance* he hasn't done anything to show that he's a top-
>     flight head coach. You people are bailing on Tuna too soon. 
    
      How can I bail on him when I never supported him?  *I* think you guys
      are giving the Tuna more leeway than other coaches...  He may have
      won 2 SB's, but possibly maybe could it be perhaps isn't it at least
      worth investigating that the game has passed this man by?  How many
      years is he gonna be the 2-ring coach?  When does he get to be the
      losing season coach?  We don't have 7 years in this day of free agency 
      to wait for him to admit his mistakes.  By then, everything's changed.
      It took him a year to can Sisson, a year to can Butts, he dismantled
      a winning team, he makes lousy GM choices, then says he's not the GM,
      and still he's like some kind of God around the NFL.  He did good, he
      won a Super Bowl in NY!  Great!  Judge what he's doing in NE
      pretending you don't remember that.
    
      3 years of rebuilding, and he's pretty much at the same point the
      Same was after 4 years of rebuilding.  It's a draw, imo
    
      However, I personally like Sam's coaching style.  Always have.  He's 
      smart, unafraid to change his point of view, and usually provides me 
      with some fun for my ticket $.
    
>     10-6 last year against a pretty wimpy schedule and everyone starts
>     thinking SB. We take one step backwards and everyone wants Tuna's
>     head on a platter. Just chant to yourselves over and over again,
>     "Bledsoe, Martin and Coates."  
    
      Not me.  I didn't think 10-6 was all that hot.  Especially because
      we'd have been 10-6 the year before if it wasn't for 5 games that
      Scott Sisson clearly lost all on his own.  To me we had 2 years    
      of unimproved ball.  Followed by a decline.  
    
      But we're on our way to a Super Bowl? 
    
      I never liked Drew, never liked Bill, so I'm not bailing on them.  
      I just don't understand what earthly logic is proving that Drew
      is a franchise QB and that Bill can take *this* team to a SB.
    
      - Sean

    
  >> The hapless Bucs?  The Bucs that got more wins than the Pats this
  >> year?
    
     They had one more win than the Pats and in terms of scoring only
     the Jets were worse. The Bucs this week will be doing the same thing 
     the Pats will be doing - watching the playoffs on tv. And our 10-6 
     record last year? The Bucs would love to have had it because they 
     haven't had a winning season since Anna Nicole Smith wore a training 
     bra. Wyche took over a mediocre team and he left them somewhat better
     but they still couldn't crack .500. If Tuna must go then let's get some 
     new blood and not a retread who has never won anything anywhere. Still, 
     it amazes me that after 30+ years without a SB win Tuna is a bum because 
     he can't produce one in three years.

    
    That's what happens when you get paid the big bucks.  Everyone 
    expects you to be faster, better, more productive than the
    ones that don't.  Goes for coaches, too.  We could be watching
    the playoffs on TV with Coach Mac and Zolak as well as Bill
    and Drew for a lot less money, ya know :^)
    
    And I didn't say Tuna was a bum.  He's a coach I preferred not
    to have.
    
    A lot of the things I used to enjoy about watching the Pats are 
    gone now, except the losing part.  Same for Drew.  I'd rather 
    see Joe Ferguson busting his gut playing QB with 2 broken
    legs than Drew looking like he just woke up from a nap on third
    and goal.
    
    Partly this is entertainment.  I watched a lot of great seasons
    that the Pats lost.  That's what made '85 so fantastic.
    
    When we go now, somehow it won't be as fun with an NFC coach,
    a bunch of overpaid underacheievers, and NY Giants uniforms.
    
    - Sean

    Roland I said forget the term run and shoot - what I meant by that was
    simply a quarterback that could put it up a lot and complete a bunch
    of short passes, isn't that what we all concede that Bledsoe can do. 
    What I don't concede he can do is complete the long bomb a la Al Davis
    simply because I haven't seen him do it very often.
    
    As far as making quick reads you're probably right, that is the
    consensus except to make a judgement on that from the living room is
    pretty tough.