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    Hi,
    	What is the WEB and how do I go about calling up that data file on
    my system.
    
    						Mark
    

>    	What is the WEB and how do I go about calling up that data file on
>    my system.
    
The World Wide Web (WWW) is just that, a world-wide web.

To access it, you need browser software.  There are a few different types,
one of which is a kinda-sorta portable one called Mosaic.  It runs on VMS,
Ultrix (not sure about OSF) and PCs.   


Not sure of where you can get the kits though......    

    
>Not sure of where you can get the kits though......    
    
    
    	TECO::SYS$KITS: I beleive.
    
    	See LJSRV2::INTERNET_TOOLS notesfile (hit KP7) for more info
    
    JimH
    
    

>    	TECO::SYS$KITS: I beleive.
    
Okay, I hadn't thrown that one on my system yet to check out so I didn't
want to mention it.

If you're looking for something for VMS, grab the WWW011.A kit out there.
If you install it before I do, let me know how it is.....8^)


'Saw    
    

    World wide web requires TCP/IP for access (UCX on VMS systems). If
    you're on a system with TCP/IP, then you can use Mosaic for multi-
    media browsing (graphics, sound) or Lynx for character cell browsing.
    SatchelSports is character based except for some page headers, so
    Lynx is sufficient.
    
    These tools are available for some platforms at TECO::SYS$PUBLIC:
    
    Mike

Starting tonight, there will be a series of "cyberspace showdowns" on the
web.

Tonight at 9pm, Dan Marino chats with Jerry Rice presumably about monday
night's meeting with the Niners at da Fish.

The rest o' the schedule:

	11/21 - Drew Bledsoe and Jim Kelly
	11/28 - Boomer Esiasson and Chris Miller
	12/4  - Dave Brown and Emmitt Smith
	12/12 - John Elway and Rick Mirer
	12/19 - Neil O'Donnell and Brett Favre

The address is:

	http://nflhome.com

TTom

	

Sportszone is having a tournament to see if'n they can figger out which
is the most popular sprots movie.

They want you to vote in head-to-head matchups. Here's the lineup:

July 9th-- Bull Durham vs. Cobb
July 11th- The Natural vs. Little Big League
July 13th- Field Of Dreams vs. Mr. Baseball
July 15th- Bang the Drum Slowly vs. Angels in the Outfield
July 17th- Bad News Bears vs. Rookie of the Year
July 19th- Eight Men Out vs. Pride of the Yankees
July 21st- Bingo Long & the Traveling All-Stars vs. A League of Their Own
July 23rd- Major League vs. The Sandlot

My take on this is that there aint no better'n _Bull Durham_. However,
you can't have a complete list of the bestest sprots movies without some
additions to their list. I'd have to put _Slap Shot_ way up there.

Any other additions or deletions?

TTom

>My take on this is that there aint no better'n _Bull Durham_. 

Personally, "Bull Durham" is way up on my list, but nothing beats
"Major League", with a small role for "Mr. Baseball", Bob Uecker...

_Marjor League_ is without a doubt the bestest thing Wesley Snipes ever
did. Maybe Charlie Sheen, too.

I'm not sure what the limits of "sprots" movies is. Is _Brewster's
Millions_ a sprots movie? He's a minor leaguer, baseball is a big part of
the story.

Also, another one not on the list is _Fear Strikes Out_ with Psycho Tony
Perkins. Not much humor but a pretty good movie.

TTom

    
    
    
    
       Field of Dreams was the only one to give me goose bumps so that has
    my vote.
    
       What was that movie about 4 years ago, where Joe Montagne (sp)
    teaches the game to some russians. And they come over and beat a ML
    team?
    
        The Babe was another one.
    BNB 1-5
    ML II

Off the top of the ol' haid, some others I've thought of, not necessarily 
high on my list but:

	All the Right Moves
	Hoosiers
	One on One
	Paper Lion
	Blue Chips
	Eddie
	Hoop Dreams
	White Men Can't Jump
	Victory
	Wildcats

Joe Mantegna has been in a couple of sprots movies. _Comrades of Summer_ 
is the one asked about. He also was in _Searching for Bobby Fischer_

TTom

>> Sportszone is having a tournament to see if'n they can figger out which
>> is the most popular sprots movie.
>> They want you to vote in head-to-head matchups. Here's the lineup:
>> July 9th-- Bull Durham vs. Cobb
>> July 11th- The Natural vs. Little Big League
>> July 13th- Field Of Dreams vs. Mr. Baseball
>> July 15th- Bang the Drum Slowly vs. Angels in the Outfield
>> July 17th- Bad News Bears vs. Rookie of the Year
>> July 19th- Eight Men Out vs. Pride of the Yankees
>> July 21st- Bingo Long & the Traveling All-Stars vs. A League of Their Own
>> July 23rd- Major League vs. The Sandlot

	Since I haven't seen them all, I am not sure, but aren't
	all these movies *baseball* movies???

	Maybe thats why they didn't include Slap Shot, Hoosiers,
	Caddy Shack, North Dallas Forty, all the Rocky's, etc. 

	Persnally, it would be a tie for me with
	Bull Durham / Major League / Caddy Shack winning the comedy
	Hoosiers / Field of Dreams / Rocky taking the drama

	And, for tear jerker extrodinaire, it would be 'Something for Joey',
	the John Cappeletti story that was a made-for-tv movie ...

	Vinny

I din't notice that. Maybe they're gonna have a baseball, football,
basketball, etc. field and then have those winners go at it.

>	Caddy Shack, North Dallas Forty, ...

And don't forget _Semi Tough_.

The onliest Rocky movie I liked was the original which still holds up
pretty well if'n you try not to think about it starring Stallone.

TTom

    
    
    
    The Scout.  Albert Brooks
    
    The Doc Gooden story is in the works I hear.
    
    
    
    Chap

>    The Doc Gooden story is in the works I hear.    

Played by Darryl Strawberry, no doubt...

Somehow there should be good movie about Casey Stengel, too.

TTom

  <<< Note 201.15 by WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M "Donnie Baseball Yankee HOFer!!!" >>>
                           -< More Baseball movies >-

    
    
    
   > The Scout.  Albert Brooks
    
    Great movie Chap.

   > The Doc Gooden story is in the works I hear.
    
    No doubt a <sniff> real <snort> tear jerker...
    
    daryll

What was the name of the baseball movie starring Edward James 
Olmos as a catcher turned scout who discovers the pitching phenom 
and signs him to the Angels?

daryll

_Talent for the Game_? or something like that?

TTom

      A basketball movie "The air up there" with Kevin Bacon.
    
      Tim

	Speaking of basketball movies, anyone remember one called
	something like "The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh" ... I *think*
	Dr. J was in it ... it was a '70's movie that played off
	the zodiac popularity of the times ...

	Vinny

	I'm not sure, but I believe Connie Hawkins, then a
	player with the Pittsburgh Pipers was in the movie, too.


	billl

I don't know about Connie Hawkins but Dr. J, Kareem and Meadowlark Lemon
were in that stinker.

    TTom help me out with my memory...Wasn't the "Angels in the outfield"
    movie of a couple o years back a remake of same movie from the
    40's or 50's???
    

Sorry, Frank.

I aint never seen neither of 'em.

$ LYNX is in the weeds so I caint check, neither...

TTom

    re .24
    
      The early version was about the Pirates, this newer version is the
    Angels.
    
      I never saw the original, just read about it.  My kids have the new
    version and I've seen it more than enough...
    
      Tim

Here's the header for Sportszone today:

    Mostly Text Front Page | Index | ScorePost Front Page | Tips For AOL
                                   Users

I think the bestest tip for AOL users would be to switch to Compuserve,
Prodigy, Netcom, or 'bout anything else but AOL.

TTom

    The question to ask TTom is. was the crash caused by the several
    hundred "Crisco" routers or the 20+ Gigaswitches ?
    
    Jeff
    

The way I'd book this one is:

Odds *against* why AOL crashed:

	Hardware	5-1
	Software	3-2
	Consultant	1-7

while doing a bit of surfing, I stumbled onto this gem:

	http://www.math.grin.edu/~parsons/suns.html

The title: Your 1995-96 NBA Champions: Phoenix Suns

I don't know how long it will be there but

	http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/sfc.sfct.htm

has the schedule and some forecasting on all the NCAA football teams at
about ever level.

Wesleyan aint there but Wofford is.

TTom

>Wesleyan aint there but Wofford is.

	That reminded me...one of our Legion baseball players,
who had been accepted a Dartmouth, told me he was headed for
Wesleyan.  I started chuckling and thinking about JD's scores.
He looked at me like I had two heads.  Why bother trying to
explain SPROTS humor to an 18 year old.

	Speaking of JD...While I was having "lunch" in the 
Manchester Airport on my way to DECUS in June who plops down
next to me, but JD.  We were on the same flight to the 'burgh.
Tipped a few and spent some time on memory lane.


billl

I guess voting is a spin off of running your mouth...

In any case, here's a site at which you can register to vote

	http://netvote96.mci.com

Enjoy,

TTom

Wail, I finally got a collection of pieces working at home that allows me
to dial into and onto the great information highway in the sky.

So I decided give it a try.

I installed one of them 50 free hours things from America On Line. It was
easy, straightforward, followed their documentated instructions and
pretty much useless.

I now know what all them AOL users are complaining about. Get a beer, cup
of coffee, good book or something cause it's gonna take a while to
connect. The software is pretty user friendly in that in already has a
secondary phone number to call which is also inaccessible.

Then you finally get on. I'm not too big on layering so I went directly
to the ol' World Wide Web globe icon. Here's where the fun begins.

Apparently, the bandwidth problems of connecting are small potatoes
compared to the bandwidth problems of accessing the internet. I'd
recommend against trying to surf the net after about 6. Virtually ever
request timed out.

It took 4 or 5 requests to even bring up Altavista. A couple of more
attempts to effect a search. Few of the links worked. Almost all timed
out.

Excite was even worse. You couldn't even tell if'n it had been had. In
all the time I put in there, I was able to retrieve one search result
from which no links worked.

A T1 between me and AOL wouldn't help out in these cases.

I tossed and de-installed after about a hour and a half.

TTom

Anybody out there got any experience with Erol's?

It's got one of them big come-ons (access for as little as 9.95 a month or
something like that).  It's got to be the type where your access rate goes down
as the length of term you sign up for goes up -- kinda like my pager.

Problem with those is that if you buy a big term to save money, then hate what
you bought, yer stuck.


Any recommendations/pans or whatever?

Sorry, no info on Erol.

Several subcontractors I work with use VNET which they like. It's
unlimited access to network, email and a couple of other things like
they'll support a web page for you.

Some others use INFI which is about the same.

TTom

    Know a couple of folks that have them up that way (my father for one,
    he's in VA). Seems to be happy with the service, but he had AOL before,
    and just getting a dial tone with them could be considered an
    improvement.
    
    If you use the net a lot, and 9.95/mo for a year (payable in advance?)
    is for unlimited access, I'd go for it if I could get a consistent
    28.8 connection.
    
    UMDan

I was looking into EROL's myself but when I looked into it I found more than
a few people had complaints with it. It appeared from the complaints that it
wasn't exactly the most user friendly software or user friendly company. Support
sucks, it tends to gag on big jobs and saving work in progress is bad and
unrecoverable if mistakes are made. They also just had a problem which I'm
not sure I understand where they had to remove everyone "shell accounts" (?)
for email because someone send unsuitable material to everyone on the system
(around 150K folks). 

I'm looking for another service myself as I'm not all that happy with AOL
especially when they told me there was no way to change my password on the
master account.

I'm going to try MSN as soon as my 50 free hours run out on AOL...

Anyone else got a different service than those already mentioned and how do
they like it? pros and cons etc......

mc

My impression of AOL is that it's filled with a bunch of 
pathetic, lonely losers looking for their dream mate in some chat 
room. Sad.

If you want web access, get a ISP. I had decent service with AT&T 
WorldNet.

daryll

    
    >If you want web access, get a ISP. I had decent service with AT&T
    >WorldNet
    
    Or you can wait just a bit longer (those of you suffering with AOL). 
    Let me explain what happened with AOL.  They installed a ton of ATM
    hardware for their network just before their "unlimited" service offer
    was released.  After releasing the offer, they discovered what those of
    us in networks already know, ATM just doesn't work over voice grade
    lines with lots of traffic.
    
    As a result, they just signed a contract (well technically they were
    going to sign it last night, don't know if they did) with Digital and
    purchased 50 GIGAswitch/FDDIs because the FDDI technology is stable. 
    With an agreement to purchase 10/month for at least a year.  Basically,
    they are replacing their ATM stuff with our GIGAswitch/FDDI boxes.
    
    Once that transfer is complete, AOL access should be back to what it
    was before.
    
    Marc
    

    What escapes me is how work at HOME folks will save DEC money by
    tunneling through an ISP.

We've got a lot of AOL business going out of Salem.

Still, if all you want is an ISP, look elsewhere.

daryll

My brother uses AOL.  It works for him.

But again, you have to consider what he's used to etc.  He's moderately
computer literate -- it's nothing to him to open up his box, install a card and
stuff like that.

Of the services he's tried, he likes AOL the best.  On the other hand, he's
never had the fast access that we here enjoy.

Personally, I think I'd opt for an ISP, myself.  But I have to check it out
more thoroughly.....


'Saw

Lasted night, about 7:30, GOOSE EGGS BABY!~ Never did get into AOL. I 
tried for about a half hour to no avail.

>My impression of AOL is that it's filled with a bunch of 
>pathetic, lonely losers looking for their dream mate in some chat 
>room. Sad.

I heard dat. The Chat rooms are pathetic. They make SPROTSters look down 
right decent and learned.

>    Once that transfer is complete, AOL access should be back to what it
>    was before.

Marc, this ATM->FDDI transition should improve things. Are they adding 
routers or otherwise upgrading their connections to the Web?

TTom

>    What escapes me is how work at HOME folks will save DEC money by
>    tunneling through an ISP.

$25-30/month is a cost issue?

    the only advantage I can possibly see is if you live in an area where
    internal IM&T (CCS) thinks they can save $ by pulling your site server
    and making you tunnel in through an ISP.  However, it seems the site
    servers were set up by DEC concentration in the area to begin with.
    
    Having said that, I still don't see why DEC is pushing this for
    $25-$30/month.
    
    Mike

    
    My brother used AOL also.  He doesn't like the speed, but figured
    he saved in "sort" time.  AOL prepackages most of the info he wants
    to get at in a logical and efficient manner.  As opposed to Web
    Searching and culling out the useless info.  He finally switched to
    IBM's ISP because of the busy signals...
    
    - Sean

Independent of access problems, if'n AOL matches your profile, I can see
where some would like it. You're stongly encouraged to use their approach
to information gathering.

Unfortunately, I'm a roll-your-own kinda guy. I like data raw.

TTom

    
    >Marc, this ATM->FDDI transition should improve things. Are they adding
    >routers or otherwise upgrading their connections to the Web?
    
    Not positive.  My impression is that they are upgrading the entire AOL
    cloud.  However, I only found out about this because my team will be
    supporting the new contract.
    
    Marc
    

  Here's another guy who's brother uses AOL. He doesn't have web access at
work like we do so he uses it for Rotisserie and what ever else.

  George