Conference hbahba::cam_sports

    Went to Saratoga Sunday.  Saw the Arlington Million (tried to use
    the freakin' automated machine on a triple and lost out on that one).
    Also saw the Hopeful.  The race features 2 year olds to be competitive
    in the Triple Crown nexted year.
    
    Watch out for Dehere (named after the Seton Hall-Clipper player).  The
    horse can run.

    Ahem.........
    
    Normally in a raceing topic the thing to discuss or whatever goes on
    here, it the races and the horses in those races.  
    
    I would like to ask that this topic be changed to EQUINE EVENTS instead
    of horse racing. 
    
    I am active in Rodeo and Equine performance events.(Keep it clean boys)
    
    Gin 
    
    

    
    nope!
    
    Step right up boys and girls.....See Gin ride that stallion......
    
    Watch how it goes up and down......She's clinging on.....
    
    
    :^)
    
    I remain,
    a guy who plays horseshoes (just to keep it related to the topic)
    Kev
    

Well, there's not too much that the Chainsaw is afraid of.  Well, yeah, 
there are some things  (like fire, fire, fire, fire.....SHUT UP Beavis!)
and I like horses, but I'm always worried that they're gonna step on my
feet.

For some reason, I've no worries whem I'm around cows (cows have wicked
ugly feet btw), but when I'm walking a horse or something, I have this
(probably) irrational fear that they're gonna stomp on my feet.


Now I don't know too much about horses.  I like Clydesdales the best though.
No nonsense, big.....  my kind of horse.....


I don't know anything about rodeo, but any sport where you can bleed is
fine by me.   Those show jumping events are okay, but nobody bleeds, so
it's not as interesting.....


JMHO,
'Saw

�    I would like to ask that this topic be changed to EQUINE EVENTS instead
�    of horse racing. 

	Sorry Gin, I checked with JD and he said EQUINE EVENTS ain't a 
*real* sport 'cuz the horse does all the work.

				/Don    

    That's right... all the guy does is rope 'er in and tie 'er down and
    then he's done with 'er... hey wait a second...
    

You know what I like to watch.  It's where the guy is on the horse and
there's like some species of cow in front of the horse.  I don't know if
it's a calf, an ox, or some jacked up dog with horns on it's haid, but
anyway, the cow trys to run one way, and the horse kind of scoots over
and blocks it off, and if it goes the other way, the guy makes the horse
go that way.

I'll bet that's murder on the guy's testicles, though, there in the saddle.
Kind of like Mike doing a high-sider on his bike...


'Saw (who'd make a lousy cowboy cause he's built too big and I never saw
      a cowboy who wasn't built all wirey.)

    	Saw,
    
    	Sounds like "cutting" to me. If the horse is well-trained,
    	I don't think the rider has to do much, except hang on
    
    	and protect his testicles!
    
    	Scott

>    	Sounds like "cutting" to me. If the horse is well-trained,
>    	I don't think the rider has to do much, except hang on

That's what it looks like...


>    	and protect his testicles!

Amen.

    
'Saw

	A good "Cuttin" horse is born with the instinct. All the rider must
do is lay the rein across the horses neck and it goes. With a little practice, 
its a pleasure to watch them work the calf.

 Cadzilla2

    Actually, cutting takes a lot of training.  Like in any sport, the
    athlete must train and condition for competition.  The cutting horse
    does have a certain ammount of inbred instinct but he still needs to be
    trained to be ridden, guided and learn when to stop cutting.  I have
    ridden all levels of cutters and the finished horse is beauty in
    motion.  From on board and from the ground.
    
    I believe equine events are a sport, if you have ever ridden a horse,
    you know it takes more than just sitting there protecting your nuts to
    do it competitivly.
    
    Gin

>    I believe equine events are a sport, if you have ever ridden a horse,
>    you know it takes more than just sitting there protecting your nuts to
>    do it competitivly.
    
Ah, that's just kind of an old SPORTS joke, that got started a long time
ago with MrT telling JD that running wasn't a sport, because all it was
was going "left right, left right" etc etc etc.

JD carried it to the next level in the motorsports note, saying that 
motorsports aren't sports cause the vehicles do all the work.

Most of the rest of us in here are not so picky.....


I've ridden a horse a few times, but I always feel sorry for the horse.
I mean, I wouldn't wanna carry me around on my back, and asking the poor
horse to do it makes me feel bad....  But I did learn one thing:

	As Michael J. Fox said in an interview about Back to the Future
	III, "when you're riding a horse, don't wear boxers!"


'Saw

    It always amazes me that a man can feel sorry for a horse that has to
    carry his weight but when his woman says, "Oh baby, you are getting a
    bit heavy.  Get off!!"  He takes it as an insult.  Go figure.
    
    
    Horses can carry quite a bit of weight depending on what they are asked
    to do.  I know a few Sheltland ponies that could cary more than a full
    sized horse could.  Nice attitudes too.  NOT!!!  Got kicked double
    barelled one time.  Right in the butt, had the cutest little hoofie
    marks on my bum for weeks.
    
    Gin

>    It always amazes me that a man can feel sorry for a horse that has to
>    carry his weight but when his woman says, "Oh baby, you are getting a
>    bit heavy.  Get off!!"  He takes it as an insult.  Go figure.

Gee, I don't get insulted.  I just get inventive....   Besides, there's
better ways to do it....

    
    
>    Horses can carry quite a bit of weight depending on what they are asked
>    to do.  I know a few Sheltland ponies that could cary more than a full
>    sized horse could.  Nice attitudes too.  NOT!!!  Got kicked double
>    barelled one time.  Right in the butt, had the cutest little hoofie
>    marks on my bum for weeks.
    
I ain't touchin' this one.  No I ain't.  I surely ain't touching this one....


I guess the only horse I'd feel comfortable on would be a Clydesdale, but
no one rides them....


'Saw

�    Actually, cutting takes a lot of training.  Like in any sport, the
�    athlete must train and condition for competition.  
    
    I don't think anyone is arguing that the horse isn't training and
    conditioning.

>>	 Right in the butt, had the cutest little hoofie
>>	 marks on my bum for weeks

	Ah, you wouldn't happen to have a picture of that would you?


	billl

I cain just picture 'Saw (or anyone of us) after a few hours ridin' a 
Clydesdale!  Talk about bowlegs...

>I cain just picture 'Saw (or anyone of us) after a few hours ridin' a 
>Clydesdale!  Talk about bowlegs...

You bet.  And I bet my butt would be MIGHTY sore...


I rode bareback a couple of times, on a regular horse, and I've got to
tell you this.  If you suffer from 'roids, (I don't) do not try riding 
bareback.   

I haven't ridden in a while though.....


'Saw

    Sorry Billl, no pictures of that one.  The doc said the same thing tho,
    wanted a few pictures (get your mind out of the gutter too).
    
    Clydesdales are ridden.  Most of the draft horses these days are no
    longer used for what they were originally bred for.  That means to keep
    the breed popular they have to be a bit more versitile than before.  I
    have been to a few draft horse shows and seen some shown under saddle
    in performance classes.  They aren't too comfortable with the
    suspension between foot falls but hey, some breeds are just that way.
    
    Gin

>    Clydesdales are ridden.  Most of the draft horses these days are no
>    longer used for what they were originally bred for.  That means to keep
>    the breed popular they have to be a bit more versitile than before.  I
>    have been to a few draft horse shows and seen some shown under saddle
>    in performance classes.  They aren't too comfortable with the
>    suspension between foot falls but hey, some breeds are just that way.
    
I wouldn't want to show one. 

I'd just want to work out really hard for a year, like really hard and
get all pumped and huge and then ride some place on a Clydesdale, and
like get off the horse.  

That would be cool....


'Saw

>     like get off the horse.  

>     That would be cool....


>     'Saw


	Who's going to touch this one?  Not me.


Ron

|>     like get off the horse.  
|>     That would be cool....
|>     'Saw
|
|	Who's going to touch this one?  Not me.


Okay, you've got me.  99% of the time when I want to do an innuendo,
I do it with malice aforethought.

But I guess on this one, I made a_innuendo, and I didn't even know it.



Speaking of equestrian events, I've read that in the old days, like
the really, really, old days (like Alexander the Great old days) that
war horses back then were not fought upon.

The soldiers would ride their horse to the battle, and dismount, and
that the horses were trained to rear up and knock the doo-doo
out of enemy guys with their front feet.

Then the soldiers would get back on and ride home.   

that's different, eh?


'Saw

    You may be right there.  That is what the Royal Lipazzan horses were
    originally trained for, battle.  The moves that they do in the
    exibition shows are the same as when they went to battle.  I have seen
    a few shows but have never ridden one of that breed.  I hear they are
    even tempered and very nice to work with.
    
    Gin

>             -< I'll touch anything once, twice if it feels good. >-


	"I've tried everything, in my life (uh-huh)
	 Things I like, I've tried twice...
	 You got that right?"
	
				-- Steve Gaines, of Lynyrd Skynyrd



>    You may be right there.  That is what the Royal Lipazzan horses were
>    originally trained for, battle.  The moves that they do in the
>    exibition shows are the same as when they went to battle.  I have seen
>    a few shows but have never ridden one of that breed.  I hear they are
>    even tempered and very nice to work with.
    
huh-huh, huh-huh-huh....That's cool.

I guess with horses you don't have to worry about them being all nasty
like war dogs.


I'm even-tempered and nice to work with too.


'Saw

>               -< I hear Tom Bodette calling fer you two!1 8^) >-

Well, find out the room number and send up a bottle of Glenfidich....8^)


Tom Bodette has a book out I've been trying to find.  He's really a 
humorist from Alaska (I think) and a friend let me read a few pages of
the book.



Man O' War was cool.    (Just trying to keep on track)



'Saw

    

    
    My goat died a couple days ago.  The horse is upset, as they were
    buddies.  And I thought I'd found a woman for 'saw next time hew came
    to Phoenix, too.
    
    brews

>    My goat died a couple days ago.  The horse is upset, as they were
>    buddies.  And I thought I'd found a woman for 'saw next time hew came
>    to Phoenix, too.
    

Goats are cool, huh-huh, huh-huh-huh....


On my way from my house to my folks' house, I got via what the locals
call "over the mountain".  It's more commonly known as Rattlesnake Mountain,
and I can't remember the Indian name for it.

Anyway, it's over a dirt road through the woods, and the area is infested
with rattlers.

There's a little farm up there, called "Kongscut Pasture", and the woman
who lives there is a professional photographer, I believe, and her husband
does all kinds of things.   At any rate, they have a bunch o' animals
up there -- horses, mules, goats....

Last spring they had this little baby goat running around in the pasture.
It was, without a doubt, one of the cutest baby animals I've ever
seen.  I even had my camera with me, but unfortunately, the baby goat
never was in a very good position for me to take pictures.



Brews, I'm very sorry your goat died.   Your horse will get over it,
I'm sure.


Can we have more stories about your bodacious neighbor?


'Saw

    Watch it 'Saw... don't spread the Cherry Garcia too thin... haha...
    

    	Hey Brews, it's only a smelly goat.  Stop being a DonohueSoccer
    type and deal with it!
    
    				/Don

    
    It wasn't (might be now, though) a smelly goat.  Goats really are one
    of the best animals for pets.  Lots of personality, and little doodoos. 
    Billy goats smell, not she goats.
    
    brews
    
    

    
    Getting soft?  I offered to make my wife some goats head soup to help
    her get over it (sorta a Stranger In A Strange Land kinda thing), but
    since she's a vegetarian, she didn't appreciate it.
    
    brews 

>    Watch it 'Saw... don't spread the Cherry Garcia too thin... haha...

 
It's not the spreading that's fun -- it's the cleanup that's really a blast....


'Saw    

Hey Bruce way she a pigmy goat ?

My F.I.L. in phoenix has a pigmy goat and this thing is entertaining in a way
it likes the kids. 

I suspect the rattlesnake had something to do with it. 

Jeff

    
    Yeah, it was a pygmy.  Ya think maybe the family of the rattlers is
    trying to get back at me, huh?  They better not, I've been sharpening
    my spade.
    
    brews, the hunter(d)

    makes me all misty-eyed remembering the pygmy toss event.

>    makes me all misty-eyed remembering the pygmy toss event.

Oh Geez!!!!!!!!

Here we go.....8^)

    
    Yabbut is it a sport?
    
    deen me!
    
    ;^)
    
    I remain,
    nanny'ng along....
    Kev
    

    I think the thing we all need to be concerned with is what the goat
    died of.  Was it from a bad toss or a bad snake. 
    
    And if the goat smell now, why haven't you gotten rid of the carcass
    yet?
    
    
    gin

>    I think the thing we all need to be concerned with is what the goat
>    died of.  Was it from a bad toss or a bad snake. 

I'll bet the goat bet it all on one TOSS of the dice and it came up
SNAKE eyes....  

    
>    And if the goat smell now, why haven't you gotten rid of the carcass
>    yet?
    
Smell keeps the snakes away?

    Well Gin,
    
    If'n you recall your Shetland pony experience, also taking in mind that
    the goat and horse were buddies... maybe the goat nuzzled in the
    wrong place and the horsey played like My Friend Flicka and that was
    all she wrote fer da goat!!
    
    MikeL
    

    
    
    	Yabbut is anybody NOT gonna place a bet on tomorrows Kaintucky
    Derby?
    
    

	Only if there's one with 40-1 odds!


	billl

    Borrco (sp) will win...
    
    REK

    My horse has done a lot of racing, is low dosage but compared by some
    to secratariat and the bid.
    
    It will be interesting to see what the bettors do; they seem to know as
    a group more than the experts.
    
    My wife can usually pick the winner by the way he canters and carries
    hisself/herself before the race but has zero interest.  I'm always 
    asea at derby.

    
      Not to interject religion into SPORTS because you all know that
     I don't think it's the proper thing to do, B*U*T before you all go
     to bed tonight say a prayer for Tabasco Cat. 

>     to bed tonight say a prayer for Tabasco Cat. 

That's who I was pulling for, but only because I love Tabasco sauce...


'Saw

    So how much $$ you make for us billl?
    

>>    So how much $$ you make for us billl?

	As much as TC* and /er contribute towards the tab at a 'get together'.



	billl

	Anybody hear about indictments against a bunch of folks involved in
	horse jumping?  Seems the gov't thinks horses were being killed and
	then insurance money was collected.  Sounds kinda brutal.

	Kevin

    Something about the Brach heiress in Chicago.  Bought some bum horses,
    was going to expose (so to speak) the seller and suddenly, she
    disappeared...

    Just heard that Michael Jackson and Tonya Harding have pooled some cash
    and bought Aqueduct(sp?) Racetrack.
    
    The agreement is that Tonya gets to do the handicapping and Michael
    gets to
    
    
    Ride the three year-olds!!!!!
    
    
    
    
    JaKe
    

  It's time once again for the run for the roses. The Kentucky Derby is coming
up once again.

  Any horse racing experts in this file? Who are the horses to watch? Who
should we pick?

  George

    Hoss racing isn't a sport.

Wail, I'm a gonna go to the Derby thised year. But I have no clue on
who's gonna win it.

Since it's in Louisville, I'm gonna bet Pat Day across the board for both
Friday and Saturday. He's on Timber Country for the Derby, coupled with
Serena's song so even if'n he wins, it won't pay much.

I'm been given a couple of tips but I'll let them come forward with their
expertise. Probably, I'll bet somebody else in the middle odds say
around 10 or 15 to 1.

But like I said, I really haven't any feel for a favorite.

TTom

         <<< Note 138.58 by PCBUOA::LEFEBVRE "A Repo Man is always intense"
    >>>
    
    >    Hoss racing isn't a sport.
    
    Nag, nag, nag..
    
    If you want to send me mail I'll do a random drawing and you can have a
    horse for the derby.  You'll have to help me out on the prize but I can
    look around the office or in my bookshelf.  'Saw and Glen can vouch for
    my books :-)

    > Nag, nag, nag..
    
    I get it.

    I see Suave Prospect is also 12:1.  He and Thunder Gulch went neck and
    neck in Florida and perhaps will fight it out here.  SP is ridden by
    Julie Krone.
    
    And that Cecil guy from Britain is acting awfully smug about his colt
    Eltish.
    
    I think combination betting is the way to go here but I should just go
    with my wife's visual sizing up of the nags (ear's are up, look in the
    eye etc).
    
    Anybody else care to pick, my pool idea didn't get much response so I
    dropped it - too bad the prize was a free massage from our pal in massage
    therapy school
    

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SPORTSTICKER HORSE RACING NOTE 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

#KENTUCKY DERBY FIELD#
----------------------

THE FIELD FOR SATURDAY'S $957,400 KENTUCKY DERBY AT CHURCHILL DOWNS 
IN LOUISVILLE:

PP   HORSE              TRAINER              JOCKEY            ODDS
--   -----              -------              -------           ----

 1   Dazzling Falls     Chuck Turco          Garrett Gomez      20-1
     
 2   f-Knockadoon       Tony Reinstedler     Chris McCarron     12-1

 3   b-Pyramid Peak     John Ward            Herb McCauley      20-1

 4   Wild Syn           Tom Arnemann         Randy Romero       15-1

 5   b-Jambalaya Jazz   John Ward            Craig Perret       20-1

 6   Suave Prospect     Nick Zito            Julie Krone        12-1

 7   Eltish             Henry Cecil          Eddie Delahoussaye 12-1

 8   f-Lake George      Mike Orman           Shane Sellers      12-1

 9   f-In Character     Bruce Jackson        Chris Antley       12-1

10   Jumron             Gary Lewis           Goncalino Almeida  10-1

11   Talkin Man         Roger Attfield       Mike Smith          7-2

12   Afternoon Deelites Richard Mandella     Kent Desmormeaux    9-2

13   a-Serena's Song    D. Wayne Lukas       Corey Nakatani      5-2

14   Tejano Run         Ken McPeek           Jerry Bailey       10-1

15   a-Timber Country   D. Wayne Lukas       Pat Day             5-2

16   Thunder Gulch      D. Wayne Lukas       Gary Stevens       12-1

17   f-Ski Captain      Hideyuki Mori        Yutaka Take        12-1

18   f-Mecke            Emanuel Tortora      Robbie Davis       12-1

19   f-Citadeed         Peter Chapple-Hyam   Eddie Maple        12-1

a - D. Wayne Lukas entry

b - John Ward entry

f - mutuel field

ALL WILL CARRY 126 POUNDS EXCEPT SERENA'S SONG WHO WILL CARRY 121

DISTANCE:  1 1/4 MILES

POST:  APPROXIMATELY 5:40 P.M. EDT

    
    Can I take Wild Syn.  Don't know nuttin about horses, just like the
    name.
    
    brews

    
      I like Serena's Song but the odds on Eltish look too good to pass
     up.

    
    but will Eltish turnout to be like that french speed horse of a few
    years ago who finished 8th and disappeared after going off as the
    fav? Anyways I always like to pick by catchy names so give me
    Knockadoon.......
    
    mike

    
    
        I got Suave Prospect!!!
    
    
        Julie Krone is a Babe!!!
    
    Not!!!!!

    Now hold on one second there brewski!  I seem to recall claiming
    ALL Wild Syn for meself.
    
    
    billl

    Here is the way they'll finish tomorrow:
    
    	WIN - Jumron, by 2 1/2 lengths going away, in 2:01 1/5
    	PLACE - Eltish
    	SHOW - Talkin Man
    
    Jumron is 10-1 now, but he'll be no better than 7-1 at post time.
    
    NAZZ
    

    Gots a question for one a yunz horse racing 'sperts...
    
    At the end of the list of entries for the Derby it mentions that 
    "All will carry 126 pounds except Serena's Song who will carry 121."
    
    What up wit dis?
    
    
    billl

>    At the end of the list of entries for the Derby it mentions that 
>    "All will carry 126 pounds except Serena's Song who will carry 121."


Jockey weight.  Sort of.


I'm no 'spert, but I think that they all carry the same weight, and that
they add weight to whatt the jockey weighs.

I *think* I remember hearing it some place, but then again, you never know...

    Yabbut (tm) don't they usually all have to carry the same weight?
    
    
    
    billl

    In the gentlemenly sport of horse racing the colts give the filly a
    weight allowance, sort of like the way the nba gives Michael an extra
    step..
    
    And since this horse is untaken and in honor of some of his second
    shift gems of years past I grant to the Jakester
    
    Afternoon Deelite
    
    I'll let the Cleveland crowd fight over talkin man with the Yankee
    contingent and Timber country can be had by Neuzil or one of the
    western gang

Yes, they carry the same weight, but I believe that what typically happens
if the jockey and tack come in under the weight, they add weight to the 
saddle or something like that.

Heard on the radio on Saturday night that most jocks to race here in the
US, usually have to maintaina personal weight of between 109 and 112...

Unreal.


'Saw

All you guys that took Wild Syn are a bunch o' losers.   The horse finished
DEAD LAST....

    re Wild Syn:
    
    Can you spare a dime?
    
    
    
    billl

Just out of curiosity:  did the filly win?

Steve

    Thunder Gulch, a 20-1 shot, won the roses.  Not sure where the filly
    finished.
    
    UMDan
    

    
    Serena's Song faded to 16th after leading to the stretch.

    You may have noticed that your venerable horse racing guru had Thunder
    Gulch and he paid a whopping 51. and change.  I expected a full mailbox
    of queries of how much I won.  You guessed it nada.
    
    I had the wife and son pointed to Rockingham but got outwitted by the
    tandem and finally cancelled.  So there came tg thundering down the
    stretch to my moaning and whining and she said "Why didn't you tell me
    you had a horse picked out!".
    
    Admittedly my past derby record has been lousy so it wasn't that hard
    to dissuade me from the trip.  And I doubt that Tejano run would have
    been in any of my combos.
    
    So alls I won was sprots bragg'n rights

    
    
        Easy one tomorrow in the Belmont Boys!!
    
        Bet  1 Timber Country
             2 Thunder Gulch
             3 Star Standard
    
    Bet the Farm on it!1!!
    
    
    

    
    I don't know about that CHappy, it seems that those three horses got
    the three OUTSIDE spots if I remember correctly.  Seems that at least
    one of the middle ground horses might slip into the top 3 as a result.
    
    Marc
    

    Well in case anyone missed it Timber Country was scratched becasue of a
    fever (and it was treated with bute which is illegal in n.y.).  Thunder
    Gultch then won and must have won the big triple crown bonus for his
    bookmaker english owner.
    
    It looks like there were no serious contenders other than the two Lucas
    horses which is rare for triple crown races - perhaps if they knew tc
    wouldn't run more would have entered.  Pretty convenient for the tc
    owner to have his main rival scratched.

>Roland , could there be a conspiracy here

My thoughts EXACTLY!  Triple Crown == WWF!  Horses on
steroids!  Film at 11!  :-) :-)

If I'm not mistaken, Thunder Gulch won the Derby and
Timber Country won the Preakness, so how would any
triple crown bonus be awarded?  (The only possibility
is for Lukas (sp?), who I believe was the trainer for
both, but perhaps not the owner.)

Oh hell, who cares?  CONSPIRACY!

Bill, I would love to hear your take on the Houston
3-0 Finals lead over in the NBA note.  Perhaps an
"anti-conspiracy" conspiracy?

>Bill, I would love to hear your take on the Houston
>3-0 Finals lead over in the NBA note.  Perhaps an
>"anti-conspiracy" conspiracy?

Here's a couple: with Michael Jordan having one more year of marketing in
him, they don't want Shaq to win a ring which might reduce all of the
money everyone makes with Jordan;

or, Jordan comes back to unseat two-time defending champ Houston.

TTom

    I believe the triple crown bonus is for most points in the three races
    and the two Lucas horses were tied.  There's a bonus for winning all
    three.  I only state that Lucas was in an excellent position to do
    something here to benefit the one owner.  I might mention that in the
    derby Gulch paid an astronomical sum because the horse ran so poorly in
    the jim beam and Lucas appeared to discount him.
    
    On the other hand there is Wayne Lucas' supreme integrity and high
    esteem he is held in by the horse racing community putting him as above 
    Raproach as say Bob Cousy.

    
    
        Woops wish for you guys sake I could have wrote something in here
    Saturday Morning. With TC scratched I was gonna tell everyone to put in
    Citadeed as your Show horse!
    
    Sorry!
    
         But 1 of us capitalized....  :-)
    
    
    Chap

I don't know if any of you saw it, but the Larry King interview last night
with Christopher Reeve was pretty good viewing.

Reeve has such a bright outlook and attitude, and it was interesting hearing
him talk about being a "high quad" -- C1/C2 fracture, and the way it affected
his life and stuff.

Sometimes you know a person by the work they do.  Sometimes you know a person
by the good works they do.  And then sometimes you learn about what the true
person is like when they encounter tremendous adversity, and the the true
person inside begins to shine through.   That's kind of what happened last
night.

'Saw

    Hello,
    
    Does anyone have a list of the Experimental Highweights that I think
    was published in January.  I would like to see the horses from 126lbs
    to 116lbs.  I saw the first five somewhere, but it only went down to
    121lbs.  Any info would be much appreciated.
    
    Thanks,
    
    /Dave

Wail, it's about Kentucky Derby time. 

So whilest you contemplate who your gonna lose money on thised year,
here's the official (I think) recipe for a genuine Mint Julep.


   ESPNET SportsZone | Horse Racing
   
            IF YOU CAN'T BE THERE, YOU CAN STILL DRINK LIKE YOU ARE
                                       
   By Ed McNamara
   Special to ESPNET SportsZone
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   What you need
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1 cup water
2 cups sugar
6 mint sprigs
  Bourbon
  Crushed ice

   Tradition can be wonderful, but at times it just makes you wonder.
   
   The mint julep, the official drink of the Kentucky Derby, sounds a lot
   better than it tastes. For those of you who will be partying at home
   as you watch your horses finish up the track in America's Race, here's
   the recipe:
   
   Start by making simple syrup, which consists of a cup of cold water,
   two cups of sugar and six mint sprigs. Boil the sugar and water for
   five minutes, let it cool and add the mint leaves. Let the syrup
   "brew" for 12 hours, then stir and strain to remove the mint. Mix two
   jiggers of bourbon with one jigger of simple syrup and pour into a
   glass filled with crushed ice. Stir and stick in a fresh mint sprig
   (it resembles a hardy weed). Think of it as a snowcone that gives you
   a buzz.
   
   There's no accounting for taste, especially when such a second-rate
   concoction is so popular that it's almost heretical to criticize it.
   To a connoisseur of good bourbon, it seems like a sinful waste, and to
   this former bartender, the mint sprig is extremely optional.
   
   The best that can be said of the mint julep is the more of them you
   drink, the better you like them. During Derby week approximately
   90,000 will be sold, at $5.25 a pop, at Churchill Downs, and as a
   bonus revelers get to keep the attractive souvenir glass as a memento
   of the day they spent walking around in a haze beneath the twin
   spires.
   
   Ah, but you have to go with the flow to get with the spirit of the
   experience. Life is short; play hard. Just drink it.
   

>   What you need
>     _________________________________________________________________
>   
>1 cup water
>2 cups sugar
>6 mint sprigs
>  Bourbon
>  Crushed ice



ALL you need:

	Bourbon

and make that good ol' Kentucky straight up Bourbon.

Lasted year, when we went to the Derby, the group beside in the infield
had never been to one afore so they pulled up the recliners, sat in the
sun and sipped Mint Juleps until they were fried inside and out.

I managed to talk 'em outta a couple of the glasses which are a pretty
good souvenir. 

TTom

   
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                           DERBY INSIDE THE NUMBERS
                                       
   
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   Derby doesn't favor favorites
   No Kentucky Derby favorite has won the race since Spectacular Bid in
   1979. In fact, only four of the past 16 have made it into the money.
   
   

                      Closing line   Finish

'95       Timber Country  7-2             3rd
'94       Holy Bull       2-1            12th
'93       Prairie Bayou   4-1             2nd
'92       Arazi           4-5             8th
'91       Hansel          5-2            10th
'90       Mr. Frisky      9-5             8th
'89       Easy Goer       4-5             2nd
'88       Private Terms   3-1             9th
'87       Demons Begone   2-1             DNF
'86       Snow Chief      2-1             11th
'85       Chief's Crown   3-2             3rd
'84       Life's Magic    3-1             8th
'83       Marfa           5-2             5th
'82       Air Forbes Won  3-1             7th
'81       Proud Appeal    2-1            18th
'80       Rockhill Native 2-1             5th

   From way outside, bang
   Only four horses have won the Derby from the auxiliary gate:
   

                             Post
1929      Clyde Van Dusen     20
1982      Gato Del Sol        18
1984      Swale               15
1995      Thunder Gulch       16

   Quick facts:
   The last horse to win the Kentucky Derby wire-to-wire was Winning
   Colors in 1988.
   
    The oldest winning trainer was Charlie Whittingham (76) with Sunday
   Silence in 1989.
   
    The only man to win the Derby as a trainer and as a jockey was John
   Longden (Count Fleet 1943 as jockey, Majestic Prince in 1969 as
   trainer).
   
    Only four men have ridden back-to-back Derby winners: Eddie
   Delahoussaye, Ron Turcotte, Jimmy Winkfield and Isaac Murphy. Gary
   Stevens will try to turn that trick this year.
   
    Only four female jockeys have ever ridden in the Derby. Patricia
   Cooksey (11th in 1984), Diane Crump (15th-1970), Andrea Seefeldt
   (16th-1991) and Julie Krone (14th-1992 and 11th-1995) have the unique
   honor.
   
    The oldest winning owner was Francis Genter at age 92 (in 1990 with
   Unbridled).
   
    The oldest jockey to win the Derby was Bill Shoemaker (age 54, aboard
   Ferdinand in 1986).
   
    Three fillies have won the Derby: Regret (1915), Genuine Risk (1980)
   and Winning Colors (1988).
   
    Entering this year, D. Wayne Lukas has entered 26 horses in the Derby
   and only five have ended in the money (two wins, three third-place
   finishes).
   
    The last horse to win the Derby and the Preakness in the same year
   was Sunday Silence in 1989.
   
    Most wins by jockey
   Eddie Arcaro 5
   Bill Hartack 5
   Bill Shoemaker 4
   Isaac Murphy 3
   Angel Cordero Jr. 3
   
    Most wins by trainer
   Ben A. Jones 6
   H. J. Thompson 4
   James Fitzsimmons 3
   Max Hirsch 3
   
    Fastest Derby winners
   Secretariat 1973 1:59.2
   Northern Dancer 1964 2:00
   Spend a Buck 1985 2:00.1
   Decidedly 1962 2:00.2
   Proud Clarion 1967 2:00.3
   
    Most wins by post position
   #1 12
   #4 10
   #2 9
   #5 9
   #10 9
   
    Highest payoffs for winning horses:
   (on $2 bet)
   
    Donerail 1913 $184.90
   Gallahadion 1940 $ 72.40
   Proud Clarion 1967 $ 62.20
   Exterminator 1918 $ 61.20
   

 geez seems like just yesterday the Shoe and Ferdiand won that race. Great 
 piece of jockeying by the Shoe in that race....

    Seems like only yesterday I won that nice piece of change on Donerail