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Title:God made man, but Sam Colt made men equal
Notice:Welcome to the firearms conference!
Moderator:PEAKS::OAKEYIN
Created:Tue Mar 04 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6616
Total number of notes:49869

6611.0. "Bye bye concealed carry. Senate bill 707." by PEAKS::OAKEY () Fri May 16 1997 18:48

Lautenberg (who brough you the demestic violence gun ban) is at it again.

This bill will outlaw concealed carry and OVERRIDE state law.  Of course it
requires a "need" for anyone, other than the police, to carry either concealed
or exposed in public.


FILE s707.is
          S 707 IS 
          105th CONGRESS
          1st Session
          To prohibit the public carrying of a handgun, with appropriate
          exceptions for law enforcement officials and others.
                           IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
                                       May 6, 1997
          Mr. LAUTENBERG introduced the following bill; which was read twice
              and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
                                         A BILL
          To prohibit the public carrying of a handgun, with appropriate
          exceptions for law enforcement officials and others.
           [Italic->]   Be it enacted by the Senate and House of
          Representatives of the United States of America in Congress
          assembled, [<-Italic]
          SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
            This Act may be cited as the `Concealed Weapons Prohibition Act 
          of 1997'.
          SEC. 2. FINDINGS.
            The Congress finds and declares that--
                (1) crimes committed with handguns threaten the peace and
              domestic tranquility of the United States and reduce the
              security and general welfare of the Nation and its people;
                (2) crimes committed with handguns impose a substantial 
              burden on interstate commerce and lead to a reduction in
              productivity and profitability for businesses around the Nation
              whose workers, suppliers, and customers are adversely affected
              by gun violence;
                (3) the public carrying of handguns increases the level of 
              gun violence by enabling the rapid escalation of otherwise 
              minor conflicts into deadly shootings;
                (4) the public carrying of handguns increases the likelihood
              that incompetent or careless handgun users will accidently
              injure or kill innocent bystanders;
                (5) the public carrying of handguns poses a danger to 
              citizens of the United States who travel across State lines for
              business or other purposes; and
                (6) all Americans have a right to be protected from the
              dangers posed by the carrying of concealed handguns, regardless
              of their State of residence.
          SEC. 3. UNLAWFUL ACT.
            Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding
          at the end the following:
            `(y)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful
          for a person to carry a handgun on his or her person in public.
            `(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the following:
                `(A) A person authorized to carry a handgun pursuant to State
              law who is--
                    `(i) a law enforcement official;
                    `(ii) a retired law enforcement official;
                    `(iii) a duly authorized private security officer;
                    `(iv) a person whose employment involves the transport of
                  substantial amounts of cash or other valuable items; or
                    `(v) any other person that the Attorney General 
                  determines should be allowed to carry a handgun because of
                  compelling circumstances warranting an exception, pursuant
                  to regulations that the Attorney General may promulgate.
                `(B) A person authorized to carry a handgun pursuant to a
              State law that grants a person an exemption to carry a handgun
              based on an individualized determination and a review of
              credible evidence that the person should be allowed to carry a
              handgun because of compelling circumstances warranting an
              exemption.  A claim of concern about generalized or unspecified
              risks shall not be sufficient to justify an exemption.
                `(C) A person authorized to carry a handgun on his or her
              person under Federal law.'.
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6611.1anybody else wanna protect our RKBA from idiot Lautenberg?BSS::PROCTOR_RPC....Politically CorruptFri May 16 1997 23:3511
    time to get out the crayon and write my senator. again. 
    
    sigh.
    
    
    I thought the US started as an experiment in State's Rights.
    
    I'm sure tired of these bozos who "Want to Protect My Sorry Butt", 'cos
    I'm too stupid to do it myself.
    
    gawd..... mumble mumble mumble {sound of crayon hard at work...}
6611.2BIGHOG::PERCIVALI&#039;m the NRA,USPSA/IPSC,NROI-ROMon May 19 1997 11:1314
        <<< Note 6611.1 by BSS::PROCTOR_R "PC....Politically Corrupt" >>>

>    I thought the US started as an experiment in State's Rights.
 
	True enough. But I wouldn't use that argument. The inaccuracies
	(AKA lies) in the justification section (ie. "concealed carry 
	increases violence" when we all know it DECREASES violence)
	should be enough.

	If you go the State's Rights route, the to be consistent you also
	have to get the crayons out to protest passage of the National CCW
	bill.

Jim
6611.3BSS::PROCTOR_RPC....Politically CorruptMon May 19 1997 16:136
    >  If you go the State's Rights route, the to be consistent you also
    >  have to get the crayons out to protest passage of the National CCW
    >  bill.
    
    true enough. it's difficult to know where to draw the line betwixt the
    'rights of states' and what makes sense for the feds...
6611.4An Enemy of the PublicEPS::BIONDIGuns, The Teeth of LibertyThu May 22 1997 10:538
    What a MORON!
    
    Who's paying him under the table?  Who does he really work for?  HOW
    EXACTLY IS HE GOING TO HELP ME AND MY FAMILY WHEN WE GET IN A JAM?!
    
    I think stupid people and liars should keep their mouths shut!
    
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6611.5PEAKS::OAKEYThu May 22 1997 13:009
Re: <<< Note 6611.4 by EPS::BIONDI "Guns, The Teeth of Liberty" >>>
    
>>                                                                       HOW
>>    EXACTLY IS HE GOING TO HELP ME AND MY FAMILY WHEN WE GET IN A JAM?!

You're not exercising your anti-think:  If this laws passes, all the criminals
will obey it so you'll never get into a jam...

                                Roak
6611.6BSS::PROCTOR_RPC....Politically CorruptThu May 22 1997 13:079
    >   <<< Note 6611.4 by EPS::BIONDI "Guns, The Teeth of Liberty" >>>
    >   What a MORON!
    
    I certainly hope that you are after the subject of the moronic bill
    sponsor (note .0), and not the author of note .3...
    
    Otherwise my feelings will be hurt!
    
    *8)
6611.7Good Guys Excempt is my law!EPS::BIONDIGuns, The Teeth of LibertyThu May 22 1997 16:178
    
    :')
    
    Moronic bill sponsor is my motivation for the moderately controlled
    outburst.  All this business makes me tired.
                                                  :')
                                                  
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6611.8Good site to readAUSS::HAGARTYThu May 22 1997 21:5517
Ahhh Gi'day...

Cannot find the note to put this in, but if you want a good site to visit
on the 2nd amendment, look at nemo.as.arizona.edu/~swest/howard.html. This
discusses the 2nd amendment from the legal point of view (it isn't boring).

The footnotes are especially interesting. Seems like in the last 15 years,
there have been 50 articles in Law journals on the 2nd. 42 of these have
been in favour of the "individual right" option. Of the other 8, only one
was written by a law professor. Three were written by paid members of
anti-freedom organisations. Try this quote...

    "As anyone who has ever studied this contentious issue knows all too
    well, it is easy to simply assert that the Second Amendment supports
    only a states' right to keep and bear arms, but it is much more
    difficult to prove this point; with the appearance of Professor
    Malcolm's book, this task can well be described as herculean."