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3809.0. "30-30 Accelerators" by BTOVT::MASKELL_R () Fri Nov 09 1990 12:37

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3809.1COMET::ALBERTUSbut your lovin don't pay my billsFri Nov 09 1990 13:0212
3809.2Not for big gameAKOV14::CARROLLFri Nov 09 1990 13:186
3809.3not for any game....LUDWIG::SADINReality is a leading cause of stressSat Nov 10 1990 07:2121
3809.4COMET::ALBERTUSbut your lovin don't pay my billsSat Nov 10 1990 13:2817
3809.5a little theory...LUDWIG::SADINReality is a leading cause of stressSun Nov 11 1990 09:5779
3809.6COMET::ALBERTUSbut your lovin don't pay my billsSun Nov 11 1990 13:2045
3809.7LILAC::ZOREI'm the NRA!Mon Nov 12 1990 09:1610
3809.8COMET::ALBERTUSgive your smile to meMon Nov 12 1990 10:259
3809.10ok for varmints in 30-06WJOUSM::MAZEROLLEMon Nov 12 1990 11:019
3809.11COMET::ALBERTUSgive your smile to meMon Nov 12 1990 13:169
3809.12NOMUNY::WSC151::J_PEDERSENA Bad Day at Work is Worse Than ...Mon Nov 12 1990 16:289
3809.13The other side of the coin.DNEAST::AVERELL_MICHTue Nov 13 1990 06:1013
3809.14Possible, but a big responsibilityDECALP::HOHWYJust another ProgrammerTue Nov 13 1990 06:5837
3809.15accuracy so soDPDMAI::SIFTARMon Nov 19 1990 14:2216
3809.16COMET::ALBERTUSthat was _you_!?Mon Nov 19 1990 18:098
3809.17Phone number for SpeedDPDMAI::SIFTARTue Nov 20 1990 09:5519
3809.19Here is the Address for SpeedDPDMAI::SIFTARWed Nov 21 1990 13:3918
3809.20more on handloading acceleratorsDPDMAI::SIFTARFri Nov 30 1990 23:2747
3809.21CSC32::HADDOCKPas Fini!Fri Apr 25 1997 11:2312
    I bought some of these from a guy at at a gun show and gave them a
    try-out in the 30-30.  The ones I bought require a special tool to 
    seat the bullet into the accelerator tightly.  I made up about six
    bullets.  They don't give very good loading information.  Suggested
    method is to start with max load of fastest powder for smallest bullet
    listed and work up from there.  I used a max load of H4198 for 100
    grain bullet.  Using 55 grain bullet, bullet and accelerator weigh in
    at about 60 grains.  Fired them off out at the range.  They seem to
    work, but initial accuracy was not good.  Will do some more work on
    them later.

    fred();
3809.22safety issue!!!MINOTR::BANCROFTMon May 05 1997 11:079
    I thought the Accelerator bullet was pointed.
    If so, THIS IS DANGEROUS IN A FIREARM WITH TUBULAR MAGAZINE (shouting
    intentional).  The pointed bullet may rest on the primer of the shell
    ahead of it in the magazine.  Recoil may cause the ignition of the
    shell exactly as if the shell had been hit by a firing pin.
    Only the Lebel rifle, with a specially designed almost conical shell
    casing was ever safe for pointed bullets in a tubular magazine, and
    even they had a specially designed chamfered case rim to force the
    bullet to the side of the magazine.
3809.23CSC32::HADDOCKPas Fini!Mon May 05 1997 11:176
    
    Correct to a point. I guess I'd assumed everyone was following the 
    note about the Savage 340 I've been working on.  It has a box magazine.
    In any case.  Instructions on the accelerators recommend that they
    be fired single-shot anyway.  
    fred();
3809.24CSC32::HADDOCKPas Fini!Wed May 14 1997 13:1218
    I worked up from 38 g of H4198.  Listed max load for 100 g bullet.

    Well with 40 grains of H4198 the chrono says its pushing them out
    at just over 3400 fs.  Thats downright respectable for a 30-30.  Only
    about 200 fs short of 22-250 range.  Using Siera 55 gr. Varmiter bullets
    and the accelerator together weighs about 65 gr.  Couldn't detect any
    pressure signals and recoil was still on the mild side compared to 150 g.
    full loads.  40 gr. of H4198 is about all you can get in a 30-30 brass.  
    I'll have to do some calculating.  3400 is pretty respectable, 4198 is
    about the hottest powder listed in my manual for rifles, and compressed
    loads are trickier than I want to mess with.

    Couldn't tell much about accuracy on this outing.  I changed scopes
    on the rifle and was on the 25 yd range for sight in and chrono work.
    The groups did seem to tighten up the faster it got, though.  I'm 
    more encouraged than I was last time.

    fred();