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Title:God made man, but Sam Colt made men equal
Notice:Welcome to the firearms conference!
Moderator:PEAKS::OAKEYIN
Created:Tue Mar 04 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6616
Total number of notes:49869

3069.0. "Ruger and gun control" by BRABAM::PHILPOTT (Col I F 'Tsingtao Dhum' Philpott) Fri Feb 09 1990 09:40

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3069.1Boy, does "Banana Bill" pi$$ me off!!!!ZEKE::HOLLENI'm the NRA/GONHFri Feb 09 1990 09:5717
3069.2MADMXX::PELTONENRoad ApplesFri Feb 09 1990 10:3830
3069.3This is the good ol' US of ALEDS::HORSEYFri Feb 09 1990 16:1960
3069.4MADMXX::PELTONENRoad ApplesFri Feb 09 1990 16:4648
3069.5OXNARD::CHURCHLarry Church, I'm the NRAFri Feb 09 1990 18:0315
3069.6As long as there's *something* there it's not gone 8^(FUTURA::MCNULTYEarth: The hostess, not the meal.Mon Feb 12 1990 10:0610
3069.7The true bad actCOOKIE::BERENSONWords are a deadly weaponMon Feb 12 1990 10:3221
3069.9The man sure has a lot of gall!!!GUNNER::TOWLECorkyMon Feb 12 1990 12:5122
3069.12BRABAM::PHILPOTTCol I F 'Tsingtao Dhum' PhilpottTue Feb 13 1990 05:0324
3069.13What do ya'll think?ZEKE::HOLLENI'm the NRA/GONHTue Feb 13 1990 08:0466
3069.35Straight from the horse's @$$ELWOOD::LEBEAUHCI: Haven't a Clue IncorporatedMon Mar 12 1990 10:1663
3069.37Let's not scapegoatCHOLLA::MARTYAge makes a man gentleMon Mar 12 1990 16:1534
3069.38KIER::KIERMy grandson is the NRA!Mon Mar 12 1990 17:0615
3069.44Words never die.BIGHOG::READFred Read - DTN 522-3326 - Lookin' Up (^8Thu Apr 19 1990 19:4733
3069.45exMAMIE::DOLLThere is no little enemy - B.FranklinWed May 09 1990 10:2511
3069.46Don't be so sureCOOKIE::BERENSONUtopia is not an optionWed May 09 1990 11:1820
3069.47It's tough having principles.OXNARD::CHURCHLarry Church, I'm the NRAWed May 09 1990 14:3512
3069.48Won't sell .22 Auto Parts???MDP1::PERLITCHIndividual Freedom!Mon Nov 05 1990 13:5321
3069.52Revenue enhancementGLDOA::REITERMon Nov 05 1990 16:4612
3069.53product liability my @$$, it's about revenueOXNARD::CHURCHLarry Church, I'm the NRAMon Nov 05 1990 18:196
3069.55It's a problem that has been here for a while.38AUTO::LILAKA.D 1990.. is it 1984 enough yet ?Mon Nov 05 1990 19:5615
3069.56To each his ownFSDEV::RFULTONA Man has to know his limitations!Thu Feb 27 1992 09:5031
3069.57Well SaidGENRAL::CUNHAThu Feb 27 1992 10:105
3069.58DENVER::BERNARDDave from ClevelandThu Feb 27 1992 11:399
3069.59COMET::PERCIVALI'm the NRA, USPSA/IPSC, NROI-ROThu Feb 27 1992 11:5133
3069.60it's okay for "his interests" I'm sureWEDOIT::ROBERTSSteel wheels & wheel GunsThu Feb 27 1992 12:138
3069.61PEAKS::OAKEYSave the Bill of Rights-Defend the IIThu Feb 27 1992 12:369
3069.62GLDOA::REITERThu Feb 27 1992 15:1311
3069.63Well, the testimony and his reasoning are documentedCOOKIE::BERENSONLex mala, lex nullaThu Feb 27 1992 16:2143
3069.64PEAKS::OAKEYSave the Bill of Rights-Defend the IIThu Feb 27 1992 17:0712
3069.65If you need a name....GUCCI::TQUINNEnforced morality = no morality.Thu Feb 27 1992 18:1211
3069.66Hechinger?CSC32::R_RHODESSupport the WHOLE Bill of RightsThu Feb 27 1992 19:042
3069.67Like somerville, Home-depot, ect...WEDOIT::ROBERTSSteel wheels & wheel GunsFri Feb 28 1992 09:569
3069.68PEAKS::OAKEYSave the Bill of Rights-Defend the IIMon Mar 02 1992 15:1629
3069.69Ruger? NO WAY!ZEKE::HOLLENMon Mar 02 1992 17:5916
3069.70I'll still buy Ruger...FSDEV::RFULTONA Man has to know his limitations!Wed Mar 04 1992 10:0037
3069.71Can't please everyone..Please YourselfGENRAL::CUNHAWed Mar 04 1992 10:4923
3069.72COMET::PERCIVALI'm the NRA, USPSA/IPSC, NROI-ROWed Mar 04 1992 12:2333
3069.73PEAKS::OAKEYSave the Bill of Rights-Defend the IIWed Mar 04 1992 12:2529
3069.74No Dukes, and No Rugers too!!! :-)ZEKE::HOLLENWed Mar 04 1992 12:3345
3069.75Matter of OpinionGENRAL::CUNHAWed Mar 04 1992 13:2219
3069.76PEAKS::OAKEYSave the Bill of Rights-Defend the IIWed Mar 04 1992 13:459
3069.77I don't buy Chinese guns eitherOXNARD::CHURCHLarry Church, I'm the NRAWed Mar 04 1992 13:5512
3069.78Chains are made to be pulledGENRAL::CUNHAWed Mar 04 1992 15:2040
3069.79YOU SUPPORT the anti-gun movement too!FSDEV::RFULTONA Man has to know his limitations!Wed Mar 04 1992 15:257
3069.80voting FORNEST::GREENLAWWed Mar 04 1992 15:359
3069.81I'll deal with 'smarter' companiesSA1794::CHARBONNDme and the chimpanzee agreeWed Mar 04 1992 16:1712
3069.82Wow!FSDEV::RFULTONA Man has to know his limitations!Wed Mar 04 1992 16:3017
3069.83COMET::PERCIVALI'm the NRA, USPSA/IPSC, NROI-ROWed Mar 04 1992 16:4223
3069.84I think you misunderstoodSA1794::CHARBONNDme and the chimpanzee agreeWed Mar 04 1992 16:5410
3069.85ZEKE::HOLLENWed Mar 04 1992 16:5929
3069.86OXNARD::CHURCHLarry Church, I'm the NRAWed Mar 04 1992 17:3312
3069.87Heck, Ruger did me a favor :-)COOKIE::BERENSONLex mala, lex nullaWed Mar 04 1992 19:355
3069.88matching giftBALMER::PICKERINGWed Mar 04 1992 21:5410
3069.89WEDOIT::ROBERTSSteel wheels & wheel GunsThu Mar 05 1992 04:308
3069.90Yet another rat-hole!FSDEV::RFULTONA Man has to know his limitations!Thu Mar 05 1992 10:1841
3069.91Oh yeah?AKOCOA::LORENTZENThu Mar 05 1992 12:476
3069.92ZEKE::HOLLENThu Mar 05 1992 13:1838
3069.93COMET::PERCIVALI'm the NRA, USPSA/IPSC, NROI-ROThu Mar 05 1992 13:209
3069.94Buzzzzt! Wrong, buckeroo!OXNARD::CHURCHLarry Church, I'm the NRAThu Mar 05 1992 13:2916
3069.95GIAMEM::J_AMBERSONThu Mar 05 1992 13:359
3069.96Some strange comments there, Joe.FSDEV::RFULTONA Man has to know his limitations!Thu Mar 05 1992 14:1312
3069.97Does not washSTAR::BUDADCU Elections - Vote for a change...Thu Mar 05 1992 14:5512
3069.98Differences between the situationsCOOKIE::BERENSONLex mala, lex nullaThu Mar 05 1992 15:2325
3069.99OXNARD::CHURCHLarry Church, I'm the NRAThu Mar 05 1992 15:4319
3069.100WAHOO::LEVESQUEA majority of oneThu Mar 05 1992 16:3731
3069.101This is ridiculousFSDEV::RFULTONA Man has to know his limitations!Thu Mar 05 1992 16:4443
3069.102ZEKE::HOLLENThu Mar 05 1992 16:4731
3069.103Principles vs SurvivalGENRAL::CUNHAThu Mar 05 1992 18:0520
3069.104back againFSDEV::RFULTONA Man has to know his limitations!Thu Mar 05 1992 19:0488
3069.105OXNARD::CHURCHLarry Church, I'm the NRAThu Mar 05 1992 19:546
3069.106WAHOO::LEVESQUEA majority of oneFri Mar 06 1992 08:5750
3069.107AUNTB::DBROWNFri Mar 06 1992 09:144
3069.108I used to be peerfect, too.AKOCOA::LORENTZENFri Mar 06 1992 09:1642
3069.109Does my simple-man english confuse you?FSDEV::RFULTONA Man has to know his limitations!Fri Mar 06 1992 10:0333
3069.110Oh WellGENRAL::CUNHAFri Mar 06 1992 10:4311
3069.111I love your principles (but your tactics stink).SEEPO::SILVAFri Mar 06 1992 11:5243
3069.112ZEKE::HOLLENFri Mar 06 1992 13:4416
3069.113VMSDEV::HAMMONDCharlie Hammond -- ZKO3-04/S23 -- dtn 381-2684Tue Mar 10 1992 15:3926
3069.114ZEKE::HOLLENTue Mar 10 1992 16:0023
3069.115VMSDEV::HAMMONDCharlie Hammond -- ZKO3-04/S23 -- dtn 381-2684Tue Mar 10 1992 16:2949
3069.116Ban adds from Ruger in American Rifleman?STAR::BUDAThe Next Generation - DCU BODFri Jun 05 1992 17:0516
3069.117EMDS::PETERSONFri Jun 05 1992 18:2427
3069.118Ruger quote in full contextPEAKS::OAKEYSave the Bill of Rights-Defend the IISat Jun 06 1992 09:5129
3069.119Just curious...MKFSA::HOLLENMon Jun 08 1992 10:2811
3069.120the first error should have been the last!EARRTH::ROBERTSraised on anthraciteMon Jun 08 1992 11:096
3069.121My stance still the sameREDHWK::FULTONA man has to know his limitations!Mon Jun 08 1992 14:5123
3069.122sometimes ya gotta take second bestHEFTY::CHARBONNDgeese unlimitedMon Jun 08 1992 17:236
3069.124COMET::PERCIVALI'm the NRA, USPSA/IPSC, NROI-ROTue Jun 09 1992 10:4819
3069.125exREDHWK::FULTONA man has to know his limitations!Tue Jun 09 1992 12:2425
3069.128I know Roy can take care of himself, but...OXNARD::CHURCHLarry Church, I'm the NRATue Jun 09 1992 13:4013
3069.129COMET::PERCIVALI'm the NRA, USPSA/IPSC, NROI-ROTue Jun 09 1992 13:4838
3069.130COMET::MACHADOhow sweet it isTue Jun 09 1992 14:0112
3069.131SUSHI::KMACDONALDhaba�eros 'R' usTue Jun 09 1992 14:4618
3069.132Bill may be hard to touchTPWORM::BRYANTTue Jun 09 1992 14:4717
3069.133either way they loseGLDOA::REITERTue Jun 09 1992 17:389
3069.134Two strikes, yer out......AKOCOA::LORENTZENWed Jun 10 1992 10:0010
3069.135_and_ it's DA, too!SA1794::CHARBONNDbah, humbug!Wed Jun 10 1992 10:212
3069.136UFP::LARUEJeff LaRue: U.S. Network Resource CenterWed Jun 10 1992 15:3910
3069.137PEAKS::OAKEYSave the Bill of Rights-Defend the IIWed Jun 10 1992 15:489
3069.138COOKIE::BERENSONLex mala, lex nullaWed Jun 10 1992 16:1630
3069.140GIAMEM::J_AMBERSONThu Jun 11 1992 09:243
3069.141A bunch of reasons *I* am against44SPCL::HAMBURGERTime to refresh the tree of Liberty?Thu Jun 11 1992 09:5039
3069.142Here's another reasonMSEE::TOWLECorkyThu Jun 11 1992 11:4810
3069.143all my issues are linked, it's clear to meGUCCI::SANTSCHIviolence cannot solve problemsThu Jun 11 1992 11:5316
3069.144PEAKS::OAKEYSave the Bill of Rights-Defend the IIThu Jun 11 1992 13:0523
3069.145WEFXEM::STERLINGThu Jun 11 1992 15:1511
3069.146LEADIN::REITHHave Sword - Will travelThu Jun 11 1992 16:5657
3069.14711SRUS::FERGUSONThu Jun 11 1992 17:207
3069.148PEAKS::OAKEYSave the Bill of Rights-Defend the IIThu Jun 11 1992 18:1511
3069.149No More RugersCOOKIE::KITTELLRichard - Enterprise Storage MgmtThu Jun 11 1992 21:4314
3069.150Yep, I'm fed up tooMSEE::TOWLECorkyFri Jun 12 1992 07:5919
3069.151post a notice too!EARRTH::ROBERTSraised on anthraciteFri Jun 12 1992 10:183
3069.152let the PC crowd take back the streetsGJO001::REITERFri Jun 12 1992 11:4922
3069.153SOLVIT::ALLEN_RThe easy way is always minedFri Jun 12 1992 15:145
3069.154The NRA and gun magsCSC32::J_HENSONBlessed are the cheese makersMon Jun 15 1992 11:3536
3069.155COMET::PERCIVALI'm the NRA, USPSA/IPSC, NROI-ROMon Jun 15 1992 12:5119
3069.156PEAKS::OAKEYSave the Bill of Rights-Defend the IIMon Jun 15 1992 16:2012
3069.157Ruger discounted? Or just cheap?CXDOCS::HELMREICHTue Oct 27 1992 14:4017
3069.158Bill says he was framed....DNEAST::GOULD_RYANThu Dec 03 1992 12:3812
3069.159Sure Bill, Of Course Bill re: lastSALEM::BOWEN_PI`m the NRAThu Dec 03 1992 13:3918
3069.160Right on.38AUTO::LILAKBeen there... Done that. Ulcers to prove it.Thu Dec 03 1992 15:219
3069.161gasp... wheeze...RTPSWS::HICKSFleeing the land of the banned.Thu Dec 03 1992 16:0816
3069.162COMET::PERCIVALI'm the NRA, USPSA/IPSC, NROI-ROThu Dec 03 1992 17:268
3069.163EARRTH::ROBERTSToolmakerFri Dec 04 1992 06:255
3069.164NRA appears to support RugerGENRAL::CUNHAFri Dec 04 1992 09:0610
3069.165I don't think so,,,,VSSTEG::TOWLECorkyFri Dec 04 1992 09:3922
3069.166DONNER::PERCIVALI'm the NRA, USPSA/IPSC, NROI-ROFri Dec 04 1992 10:0623
3069.167Ruger gives big bucks to NRATIS::HAMBURGERThe day ain't over yetTue Dec 08 1992 13:557
3069.168Letters, they get letters :-}TIS::HAMBURGERThe day ain't over yetTue Dec 15 1992 09:0697
3069.169Ice Cream and Manure what a comboCXCAD::COLECCHITue Dec 15 1992 09:555
3069.170PEAKS::OAKEYIs YOUR religion BATF approved?Mon Mar 29 1993 20:0623
3069.171the real news not the news newsESKIMO::BINGPoliticians prefer unarmed peasentsTue Mar 30 1993 07:137
3069.173a method to the madnessMIMS::HENDERSON_JTue Mar 30 1993 11:2113
3069.174JUPITR::HILDEBRANTI'm the NRATue Mar 30 1993 11:387
3069.175CVG::THOMPSONRadical CentralistTue Mar 30 1993 12:165
3069.176PEAKS::OAKEYIs YOUR religion BATF approved?Tue Mar 30 1993 12:3011
3069.177compromise that,which you do not wish to retainMIMS::HENDERSON_JTue Mar 30 1993 13:2021
3069.178Some thoughts from L.Neil Smith38AUTO::LILAKWho IS John Galt ?Tue Mar 30 1993 14:3138
3069.179Get you head out of the sandTPWORM::BRYANTTue Mar 30 1993 14:5957
3069.180ENOUGHGENRAL::CUNHATue Mar 30 1993 17:299
3069.181Compermise again ?? WRONG !!!!NEST::BARBERExperience is the world's teacherWed Mar 31 1993 13:5912
3069.182When WILL the tide turn, and WHY?GJO001::REITERWed Mar 31 1993 16:5720
3069.183BSS::D_PELTONENA little DAP'll do ya!Thu Apr 01 1993 13:0815
3069.184JUPITR::HILDEBRANTI'm the NRAThu Apr 01 1993 14:145
3069.185Ruger article in WSJDECWET::PALMERA is AThu Jun 24 1993 20:377
3069.186Boston GlobeSCAVAX::PALUSESBob Paluses @MSOMon Dec 20 1993 11:2120
3069.187Profits,Profits,profitsMIMS::HENDERSON_JTue Dec 21 1993 09:2411
3069.188DNEAST::GOULD_RYANWed Jun 15 1994 10:569
3069.189From today's business news section of the paperGENRAL::KILGOREOne Sky, One Earth, One PeopleSun Aug 28 1994 15:4177
3069.190Ruger & Schumer, perfect together...NYOSS1::SCANLANMon Aug 29 1994 14:0416
3069.191MARKO::MCKENZIEGovernment - The perfect crime.Mon Aug 29 1994 14:249
3069.192MIMS::HENDERSON_JMon Aug 29 1994 17:046
3069.193NO ruger in my futureBSS::DSMITHA Harley, & the Dead the good lifeWed Sep 07 1994 22:2337
3069.194PEAKS::OAKEYThe difference? About 8000 milesFri Dec 16 1994 13:047
3069.195Don't believe everything you readTAMDNO::WHITMANI'm the NRA and I voteFri Dec 16 1994 14:1410
3069.196MIGHTY::WILLIAMSBryan WilliamsFri Dec 16 1994 15:268
3069.197Add Smith & Wesson, Lyman and Weatherby to the Ruger listPEAKS::OAKEYTue Apr 22 1997 13:39156
From:	US3RMC::"[email protected]" "MAIL-11 Daemon" 21-APR-1997 23:00:30.39
To:	[email protected]
CC:	
Subj:	R2A! TRAITORS in arms

Posted to rkba-co by Douglas Davis <[email protected]>
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>Delivered-To: [email protected]
>Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:51:16 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Neal Atkins <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: R2A! TRAITORS in arms
>Sender: [email protected]
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>
>I wrote this message concerning Texas politics and the workings of 
>STOCKING DEALERS ASSOCIATION with trying to BAN their gun show 
>competition.  The specific shops are in Texas, but there are NATIONAL 
>implications regarding some manufacturors.
>
>>From [email protected] Thu Apr 21 22:43:42 1997
>
>Just got back from the hearings going on about HB 1980 and other anti-gun 
>bills.  1980 is the anti-gun show bill.  The bill would BAN SALES of guns 
>by anyone OTHER than a FFL holder.  The bill is not expected to make it 
>out of committee BUT we have to keep our eye on it.
>
>One of the surprises of this bill was a little packet handed out by the 
>anti forces.  In it, several BIG GUN DEALERS spoke in glowing terms of 
>how they SUPPORT THE BILL!!  These JUDAS'S, these QUISLINGS would gladly 
>BAN gun shows to put another 30 pieces of silver in their pocket.  Like 
>Bill Ruger's support of the 15 round mag ban (so he wouldn't face 
>competition from GLOCK) these MONOPOLISTS WANT YOU TO REGISTER YOUR 
>GUNS.  Of course you will have to do it AT THEIR SHOP and AT THEIR PRICE.
>
>NO ONE should EVER AGAIN spend a PENNY at these stores, even if they are 
>giving away 1911's for a dime.  THEY ARE THE ENEMY.
>
>I have the copies of the letters, as does James Nicholson from TSRA and I 
>would be HAPPY to provide them to anyone that doubts the claims I make.  
>I do not have the capability to scan them right now.  Here are a few GEMS 
>from these ASSHOLES.
>

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>
>(Letterhead- LYMAN)
>"We support the Texas House Bill 1980, which would restrict the illegal 
>transfer and sale of firearms
>
>Richard J. Ranzinger
>Vice President, Sales
>Lyman Products Corporation
>
>Lyman Products Corp.
>475 Smith St.
>Middletown, Ct 06457-1541
>
>1-860-632-2020
>FAX  1-860-632-1699"
>
>How about letting them know how you feel about their CORPORATE SUPPORT 
>for an ANTI-GUN BILL?
>
>(Letterhead- Dunkin-Lewis, Inc.)
>
>"I would like to wholeheartedly endorse your legislation (House Bill 
>1980) to support the effective transfer of firearms by Federally licensed 
>dealers.  It is an excellent move and we would most definitely support it.
>
>Charles F. Dunkin"
>
>They list the company as "manufacturer's representatives".  Would you 
>want THEM to "represent" YOU?  
>
>(Letterhead-Weatherby)
>
>"We understand you have introduced legislation in the Texas House, Bill 
>1980, designed to stop the transfer of handguns at gun shows by 
>individuals presenting themselves as collectors.  We strongly support any 
>legislation that prohibits the unlawful sale or transfer of any firearm.
>
>As a rifle and shotgun manufacturer, we support the public's right to own 
>firearms, but we are concerned for the safety of all individuals and, 
>further, concerned that handguns not get in the hands of certain 
>individuals such as minors, non-citizens and convicted felons.
>
>Therefore, Weatherby is proud to add our name to the number of firearm 
>manufacturers, dealers, distributors, owners and individuals who support 
>your effort to get this important bill passed.
>
>Sincerley 
>
>Bradley C. Ruddell
>Vice President Sales & Marketing
>
>cc: Ed Weatherby
>    Bill Carter"
>
>REALLY makes me want to buy one of these overpriced paperweights.  I 
>guess that since they figure (wrongly of course) that this bill ONLY 
>EFFECTS HANDGUNS, their ox won't get gored in this fight.
>
>AND
>(Letterhead-Smith&Wesson)
>
>"Dear Bill:
>Ken Sedlecky contacted me regarding pending legislation regarding the 
>sales of firearms at gun shows.  We like you believe that all firearms 
>sales must meet all legal and regulatory requirements and any attempt to 
>circumvent them is clearly illegal.  Gun shows, the participants and all 
>transactions occurring there must be subject to the same contrals as a 
>sale in storefront.  Our feelings on gun shows has not changed since 
>1993,when we wrote you the attached letter on the subject.  We certainly 
>support the changes in the law being suggested by Representative Danburg.
>
>Sincerely
>
>Robert L. Scott
>Vice President
>Sales and Marketing"
>
>So for the past FOUR YEARS S&W HAS BEEN IN FAVOR OF GUN REGISTRATION!
>
>Show these SCUM the door.  Maybe they're fit to sell fishing tackle, but 
>I sure as HELL WILL NEVER SPEND A PENNY WITH ANY OUTFIT THAT SUPPORTS GUN 
>REGISTRATION!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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3069.198CSC32::D_PELTONENTue Apr 22 1997 16:2027
    
    No real surprises here, other than the vehemency they defend this
    crap-ola with. Notice that their support is based on stopping
    "illegal guns sales", totally ignoring the fact that private sales
    are legal between residents whether at a show or not. I wish that
    they had the guts to simply state that they are for registration
    and/or the elimination of private sales, period. The only positive
    thing I can say about Bananna Bill is that he didn't use weasel
    words when he sided with the gungrabbers....
    
    People that have been around guns and the politics that are
    involved will most likely remember that a large reason for GCA 68
    was support from Stock Dealer type Associations. Particularly
    the part that banned import of surplus military rifles which
    they saw as competition. So, either S+W/Weatherby/Lyman have
    fallen victim to the lies of the gungrabbers (this will only
    affect criminals!) or they are willing to sell out the 2nd for
    their quarterly report. Neither is a palateable idea.....
    
    Now, under Klintons "best economy in 50 years" it's getting
    harder and harder all the time for me to find money to buy anything
    at all, let alone a new Smith or a Weatherby....but they won't 
    know that when I send 'em a letter thanking them for clarifying
    their position, helping me to choose another vendor :)
    
    DAP