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Conference hips::babylon5

Title:Boom Today
Notice:Have the Shadows returned to Z'ha'dum ?
Moderator:HIPS::WATSON
Created:Thu Oct 27 1994
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:182
Total number of notes:2948

132.0. "#415" by HIPS::WATSON (I'll always be here) Thu May 30 1996 18:43

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132.1or on what the title will beHIPS::WATSONEenie meenie minee moe...That one!Thu Jan 23 1997 17:559
132.2been there, thought that...QUARRY::petertrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyThu Jan 23 1997 18:0968
132.334431::WSA038::SATTERFIELDClose enough for jazz.Mon Jun 02 1997 21:1053

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Besides being an exciting espidode the best thing was the return of G'Kar and
Londo. Not only are they perhaps the best characters on B5 but Katsulas and
Jurasik are the best actors, imho. I've really missed them the past few 
episodes, B5 is plainly not as good without them. Vir was also missed but he
didn't have much to do this time.

One point I was unclear on. Mollari told G'kar that he had convinced his 
government to fully back Sheriden rather than just remain neutral and urged
G'Kar to do the same. Does this mean military aid? I seem to recall Sheriden
saying something about not accepting military support from other races, some-
thing about "keeping this just between us (humans)". If Sheriden does turn
down military aid from other races it would most likely cost more lives to
do so. But I can understand his reasons, the people of Earth would almost
surely resent thier government (however unjust and repressive) being overthrown
with support from other races. They would probably be more likely to accept
and support it if there were only humans involved.


Randy
132.4SSAG::TERZAMon Jun 02 1997 23:5161
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RE: Alien Aid, particularly Londo and G'Kar...

I suppose supplies, medical aid, covering B5, that sort of thing, wouldn't
be considered "military" aid, would they?  Even just as a political statement,
it can be powerful.

132.5thought this one was pretty goodSUBSYS::MSOUCYMentalmETALMikeTue Jun 03 1997 18:1041
    
    
    
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    That should do it I guess (actually why do this if form feed works!?)
    
    I watched my tape of this last night. I thought when G'Kar came back
    and saw Londo that he didn't want to ever see his personage again? I
    can understand Londo's point he was trying to make, and I can
    understand G'Kar's hesitance after all the crap he's been through due
    to Londo, etc...in the past. I thought it was a good thing he did when
    he showed at the bar and told Molari, NOT ON THE SAME PAGE...that was
    funny! Londo almost seemed to want to smile in a good way.
    
    Now, with Londo doing this won't the Shadows be aware of this due to
    the Keeper on that other eccentric Centauri (what's his name/title he
    has now?)?  I wished they would have shown a bit more of the battles
    going on and whatnot, but it was decent. Good to see Marcus and Steven
    back too.
    
    Overall a decent episode
    
    
132.6thoughtsUNIFIX::DIBBLERECYCLE - do it now, or pay later!Tue Jun 03 1997 20:0433
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    	A friend has stated this interested question.
    
    	"What if the keepers are not working for the shadows minions?"
    
    	It would be just like JMS to have these ugly little suckers there,
    and we're all thinking they were old shadow-monsters, but then to 
    pull the rug out on us and say they were placed by, oh, PsiCorp! or
    Maybe the EA?
    
    	Note that we've only seen a few, and there has been no real
    explanation of them...
    
    Ben
132.7form feeds only work with the appropriate toolQUARRY::petertrigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertaintyTue Jun 03 1997 23:1256
Re:  Why extra spaces if form feed works???

Because there are more ways than one of looking at notes
and not all of them honor form feeds!  I tend to use
xnotes when I'm in the office, and it don't know squat
about form feeds.  Burned me a few times in here....

























Can't even enter formfeeds from here, unless I'm missing a basic assumption...


G'Kar did state he never wanted to take notice of Mollari again, or something
to that effect, but I don't think that is what Londo wants.  Londo feels
pretty guilty about the whole shadow/narn thing and is trying to find ways
to make amends.

And yeah, assumming Ben's friend doesn't have some handle on the real
use of the keeper's, it seems that the Shadow minions will indeed find
out about this, if they don't know all ready.  Which may mean that word
will get back to earth, assumming that some connection still survives to
the shadow allies in Earth Gov.  

Somehow the keepers seem too much like something the shadows would
use, and little to do with PsiCorp or EA.  They are likely a variety
of bio-tech, or bio-engineering, and we haven't heard about Earth
having that technology.  I kind of doubt that Earth has that much
interest/control over Centauri Prime right now.

I loved that little scene with Vir and Garibaldi after Vir woke up.
His hair was suitably disarranged!  And the scenes between Londo and
G'Kar were perfect.  

PeterT