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Conference noted::windows95

Title:Microsoft Windows 95 ("Chicago")
Notice:Please read topics 1 to 22 before writing anything
Moderator:EEMELI::BACKSTROM
Created:Sun Nov 13 1994
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2958
Total number of notes:19968

2151.0. "FAT32 coming later this year" by CSC32::BOWMAN (Mission Critical OpenVMS;Windows NT Support) Tue Jun 11 1996 10:00

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2151.1BULEAN::BANKSTue Jun 11 1996 10:5636
2151.2Too much trouble for too littleBULEAN::BANKSTue Jun 11 1996 12:0629
2151.3NTFS would have been the ticket...JULIET::yosmte::HARRIS_MASales Executive IIWed Jun 12 1996 15:307
2151.4AXEL::FOLEYRebel Without a [email protected]Wed Jun 12 1996 17:1110
2151.5No more bootable floppy accessTUXEDO::GOLDFARBStan Goldfarb, LKG, dracophileThu Jun 13 1996 10:0711
2151.6DOS 7.5 would support FAT32IOSG::TALLETTwww-iosg.reo.dec.com/Tallett.htmlFri Jun 14 1996 04:4210
2151.7TARKIN::LINBill LinFri Jun 14 1996 09:5111
2151.8BULEAN::BANKSFri Jun 14 1996 11:1113
2151.9How about now?MR1PST::sbo209.mro.dec.com::meyerTesting...Testing...testingTue Dec 03 1996 09:3811
2151.10METSYS::gales.reo.dec.com::GOODWINThe DEC/EDI GUI guruWed Dec 04 1996 11:093
2151.11any experiences with FAT32 yet?DEMON::NOWARE::WITTMANPaul WittmanFri Jan 10 1997 16:4811
2151.12SKYLAB::FISHERGravity: Not just a good idea. It's the law!Fri Jan 10 1997 18:254
2151.13BHAJEE::JAERVINENOra, the Old Rural AmateurThu Jan 23 1997 10:538
2151.14Can you "force" a FAT32 structure?ACISS2::BEJCEKFri Feb 07 1997 21:116
    Is there any way to "force" a FAT32 structure on a disk of 512MB or
    smaller?  .0 says on 512MB or larger, you get a choice.  I want to put
    a FAT32 on a non-LBA disk of 512MB.
    
    Thanks,  Bob
    
2151.15QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centSat Feb 08 1997 09:254
    Partition Magic 3.0?  At least the manual doesn't say you can't - I
    can't try this out myself yet.
    
    				Steve
2151.16BHAJEE::JAERVINENOra, the Old Rural AmateurSat Feb 08 1997 10:025
    re .14: I don't think so, but I haven't tried.
    
    But why would you want to use FAT32 in that case? You won't get smaller
    clusters anyway.
    
2151.17So DOS 6 ignores W95's partitionACISS2::BEJCEKSat Feb 08 1997 10:5324
    re .16  Why you ask?  To make drive 1 (W95) invisible to DOS.
    
    My son currently has about 1.5 G divided into 6 partitions and wants
    W95.  I'm a bit squirmish about putting both on the same (logical)
    drive.  What I did with my daughter's Pentium, which came with a 850MB
    disk and was initialized with W95 FDISK.  I added a second drive and
    initialized with DOS 6.22 FDISK.  What that did was allow a normal boot
    to W95 from the first disk and allowed access to DOS files on second
    disk.  However, if the boot was from a DOS 6 floppy, it would not
    recognize the first (W95) disk and made the second disk show up as
    drive C: which meant I didn't have to reassign everything to another
    drive letter.
    
    If I try the same with my son's 486, I get W95 on C: and DOS on D:. 
    Then I have to move the stuff from the old D: to somewhere else.  I am
    just trying to make it so DOS will not recognize the first disk as one
    it can read.  On the pentium set up the way I want, FDISK from DOS says
    the first disk has "unknown operating system" on it and ignores it when
    assigning drive letters.
    
    I may have to break down and put both on first disk in C: but don't 
    want to.  I was hoping for a W95 FDISK switch to control the FAT.
    
    Thanks for the replies,   Bob
2151.18QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centSat Feb 08 1997 14:476
    I think you can do this sort of thing with Partition Magic.  The manual
    talks of creating "hidden partitions" for selecting multiple operating
    systems.  It comes with "Boot Commander" to let you select an OS at
    boot time.
    
    			Steve
2151.19STOWOA::READBob Read @OGO, DTN 276-9715Mon Feb 10 1997 18:2510
    I tried to use Partition Magic to change my FAT16 1.2 gig volume to
    FAT32.  PM did all the stuff, chugged away for a while, then said that
    I had to reboot the system.  I did so and I found myself with so much
    mush for a disk.  I couldn't even FDISK the drive!  It was a mess.  It
    took me a while, but I managed to get back the drive.  And then I used
    the Windows 95b FDISK to create the disk as a FAT32 volume and it's
    worked very well since then.
    
    I wouldn't trust Partition Magic after that tragic episode.  (Yes I had
    a backup, but I lost about a day sorting out the mess that PM left.)
2151.20PYRO::RONRon S. van ZuylenMon Feb 10 1997 19:305
    Partition Magic can be, well, difficult.  I'd never use it without a
    full backup on a system I care about.  Be sure to download the very
    latest patches from their Web Site to increase the odds of success.
    
    --Ron
2151.21I don't think Partition Magic is sufficient to do a FAT 16 -> 32 on the system diskFIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Tue Feb 11 1997 07:3210
 While Partition Magic advertises to change FAT16 to FAT32, it would not
 be sufficient to do this by itself on a system disk.  The command.com,
 IO.sys, and probably msdos.sys would have to be replaced by the 950B
 Windows kit if you ever want other than `mush'...and God help you if 
 you were to run the 950a defrag software!

 Bruce

 
2151.22The SYSTEM itself must already support FAT32...JULIET::HARRIS_MANetworks Sales ExecTue Feb 11 1997 11:3410
    RE: .21
    
    .21 is right on. Changing the drive to FAT32 probably worked, but you
    also need to have all the COMMAND.COM, IOSYS, etc kernel components
    AND all of the updated utilities, (FDIST, FORMAT, DEFRAG, etc).
    
    So, Partition Magic  does what you asked, it just expects to be doing
    this on a system that SUPPORTS FAT32 already. 
    
    Mark
2151.23QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centTue Feb 11 1997 12:204
Partition Magic won't create a FAT32 partition unless it determines that you're
running Windows 95 OSR2, or unless you explicitly override its check.

				Steve
2151.24WOOK::ogodhcp-124-96-50.ogo.dec.com::readBob Read @OGO, DTN 276-9715Tue Feb 11 1997 17:203
Yes, I was doing this on Windows 95b with FAT32 support.  I was also
not doing this on the system disk.  It was a data disk that I had
turn to mush before my very eyes!
2151.25more...FIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Wed Feb 12 1997 07:5225
Right.  The system disk's system files do the interpretation for the
other disks in the system.  For instance, if one has a hard disk that 
is FAT32 and a system floppy that is FAT16; Booting the floppy will have
the hard drive look like `mush'.  Formatting a floppy to FAT32 and placing
a FAT32 system on it will allow it to boot and `see' the hard FAT32 drive.
(tried and verified).

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A second recipe for mush  (kitchen tested last night)

Erase a hard drive, install/format/setup a 950B kit (FAT32 support but
since the hard drive is a notebook and has a suspend partition on it, the
real format is FAT16).  Verify that all the FAT32 utilities are in place,
verify that command,IO,msdos system files are present in the windows
sub-directory. Verify system functionality.  Load PartitionMagic 3.0 and
translate the drive to Fat32.  Try to reboot, fresh hot MUSH.

Suspected culprit: the system files in the root directory

Error to not make next time: have a FAT32 system floppy at hand



 Bruce (who wants a FAT32 on his notebook with a suspend partition)