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Title:Kit: Note 4229; Please use NOTED::PWDOSWIN5 for V4.x server
Notice:Kit: Note 4229; Please use NOTED::PWDOSWIN5 for V4.x server
Moderator:CPEEDY::KENNEDY
Created:Fri Dec 18 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4319
Total number of notes:18478

4166.0. "NT fails connecting to PW Server using DNS Name resolution only" by NETRIX::"[email protected]" (Robert Milberger) Fri Feb 21 1997 04:51

Hello,

We have encountered a problem when trying to connect a NT WS
to a Pathworks VMS 5.0e Server when using DNS Name resolution.

Setup of Testnetwork:

PW Server 5.0E
DNS Server UCX 4.1-ECO04
with Cluster and Metric Server
       |
       |
---------------------------------------------------------
                                  |
                                  |
                               NT WS 4.0 SP2

Pw VMS Server:
IP: 16.187.32.96 / 255.255.255.0

NT WS:
IP: 16.187.128.55 / 255.255.255.0

The protocol used is only TCPIP. On NT WS there is NO lmhosts,Wins, ...


I have traced down this a little and found out that with WIn95 or
WFW 311/MSTCP 3.11B this works without any problems.
The Clients starts first with 3 broadcasts in its Subnet, then asks the
DNS Server, get an answer, and after that directly connect to the Pw share.

With NT its a little bit different:
NT also tries first 3 broadcasts in its Subnet, then ask the Name Server,
get an answer, but then asks again for a Netbios Name query *<00...(15)> 
(see the traces below)
To this name query the Pathworks Server never responds and the connection
timed out.

The same connect to another NT Server works, because the NT Server answers
to the Netbios Name query *<00...(15)>.

thanks for any suggestions,
Robert

ps:

Here are the traces:

NT to Pathworks Server:

Network Monitor trace  Fri 02/21/97 10:27:03

Frame   Time    Src MAC Addr  Dst MAC Addr  Protocol Description              
                                        Src Other Addr  Dst Other Addr  Type
Other Addr

1       1.719   PSCS09        *BROADCAST    NBT      NS: Query req. for PCLUST
                                        PSCS13          16.187.128.255  IP
2       2.465   PSCS09        *BROADCAST    NBT      NS: Query req. for PCLUST
                                        PSCS13          16.187.128.255  IP
3       3.216   PSCS09        *BROADCAST    NBT      NS: Query req. for PCLUST
                                        PSCS13          16.187.128.255  IP
4       3.973   PSCS09        auins1        DNS      0x2A:Std Qry for
pclust.aui.dec.com. of type Host Addr on class I PSCS13          16.187.32.96 
  IP
5       3.984   auins1        PSCS09        DNS      0x2A:Std Qry Resp. for
pclust.aui.dec.com. of type Host Addr on c 16.187.32.96    PSCS13          IP
6       3.991   PSCS09        auins1        NBT      NS: Query req. for
*<00...(15)>                                   PSCS13          16.187.32.96   
IP
7       5.490   PSCS09        auins1        NBT      NS: Query req. for
*<00...(15)>                                   PSCS13          16.187.32.96   
IP
8       6.992   PSCS09        auins1        NBT      NS: Query req. for
*<00...(15)>                                   PSCS13          16.187.32.96   
IP
9       8.496   PSCS09        *BROADCAST    NBT      NS: Query req. for PCLUST
                                        PSCS13          16.187.128.255  IP
10      9.246   PSCS09        *BROADCAST    NBT      NS: Query req. for PCLUST
                                        PSCS13          16.187.128.255  IP
11      9.997   PSCS09        *BROADCAST    NBT      NS: Query req. for PCLUST
                                        PSCS13          16.187.128.255  IP
12      10.755  PSCS09        auins1        DNS      0x2B:Std Qry for
pclust.aui.dec.com. of type Host Addr on class I PSCS13          16.187.32.96 
  IP
13      10.800  auins1        PSCS09        DNS      0x2B:Std Qry Resp. for
pclust.aui.dec.com. of type Host Addr on c 16.187.32.96    PSCS13          IP
14      10.803  PSCS09        auins1        NBT      NS: Query req. for
*<00...(15)>                                   PSCS13          16.187.32.96   
IP
15      12.301  PSCS09        auins1        NBT      NS: Query req. for
*<00...(15)>                                   PSCS13          16.187.32.96   
IP
16      13.803  PSCS09        auins1        NBT      NS: Query req. for
*<00...(15)>                                   PSCS13          16.187.32.96   
IP


NT to NT Server:

Network Monitor trace  Fri 02/21/97 10:31:50  C:\Temp\nt_dns_nt_summery.txt

Frame   Time    Src MAC Addr  Dst MAC Addr  Protocol Description              
                                        Src Other Addr  Dst Other Addr  Type
Other Addr

1       1.305   PSCS09        *BROADCAST    NBT      NS: Query req. for ENGEL8
                                        PSCS13          16.187.128.255  IP
2       2.048   PSCS09        *BROADCAST    NBT      NS: Query req. for ENGEL8
                                        PSCS13          16.187.128.255  IP
3       2.799   PSCS09        *BROADCAST    NBT      NS: Query req. for ENGEL8
                                        PSCS13          16.187.128.255  IP
4       3.555   PSCS09        auins1        DNS      0x2C:Std Qry for
engel8.aui.dec.com. of type Host Addr on class I PSCS13          16.187.32.96 
  IP
5       3.586   auins1        PSCS09        DNS      0x2C:Std Qry Resp. for
engel8.aui.dec.com. of type Host Addr on c 16.187.32.96    PSCS13          IP
6       3.588   PSCS09        auins1        NBT      NS: Query req. for
*<00...(15)>                                   PSCS13          ENGEL8         
IP
7       3.592   auins1        PSCS09        NBT      NS: Query (Node Status)
resp. for *<00...(15)>, Success           ENGEL8          PSCS13          IP
8       3.592   PSCS09        auins1        TCP      ....S., len:    4, seq: 
68990263-68990266, ack:         0, win:  PSCS13          ENGEL8          IP
9       3.594   auins1        PSCS09        TCP      .A..S., len:    4, seq:
932408457-932408460, ack:  68990264, win: ENGEL8          PSCS13          IP
10      3.595   PSCS09        auins1        TCP      .A...., len:    0, seq: 
68990264-68990264, ack: 932408458, win:  PSCS13          ENGEL8          IP
11      3.595   PSCS09        auins1        NBT      SS: Session Request,
Dest: ENGEL8          , Source: PSCS13       PSCS13          ENGEL8         
IP
12      3.598   auins1        PSCS09        NBT      SS: Positive Session
Response, Len: 0                             ENGEL8          PSCS13         
IP
13      3.599   PSCS09        auins1        SMB      C negotiate, Dialect = NT
LM 0.12                                 PSCS13          ENGEL8          IP
14      3.602   auins1        PSCS09        SMB      R negotiate, Dialect # =
7                                        ENGEL8          PSCS13          IP
15      3.608   PSCS09        auins1        SMB      C session setup & X,
Username = milberger, and C tree connect & X PSCS13          ENGEL8         
IP
16      3.641   auins1        PSCS09        SMB      R session setup & X, and
R tree connect & X, Type = IPC           ENGEL8          PSCS13          IP
17      3.682   PSCS09        auins1        SMB      C tree connect & X, Share
= \\ENGEL8\D$                           PSCS13          ENGEL8          IP
18      3.696   auins1        PSCS09        SMB      R tree connect & X, Type
= A:                                     ENGEL8          PSCS13          IP
19      3.841   PSCS09        auins1        TCP      .A...., len:    0, seq: 
68990845-68990845, ack: 932408755, win:  PSCS13          ENGEL8          IP





[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]
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4166.1UTRTSC::SWEEPI want a lolly...Mon Feb 24 1997 04:016
    Find out the name that NT queries for. It probably searches
    for all names starting with * in an nbstatus request.
    
    We don't support *SMBserver yet, V6 will.
    
    Adrie
4166.2it works in same subnet and with lmhosts file ...NETRIX::&quot;[email protected]&quot;Robert MilbergerMon Feb 24 1997 05:49344
Hi Adrie,

I have a full trace from a NT WS quering a NT Server with
DNS Netbios Name resolution from another subnet.
These are only the frames appearing after successful DNS resolution,
quering for *<00...15> .

What I cannot understand is, that if both machines (NT WS and
Pathworks VMS Server)  are in the same subnet then it is working.
It also works if using the lmhosts file for the cluster members. 
(what I cannot use for the cluster alias, because it get its 
ip address dynamically)

So if it works when client and server are in the same subnet
or with lmhosts file, then it can not be a problem of an *SMBServer
request??

Can you please have a look at the trace, is this what you mean?

thanks a lot for investigating,
robert



******************************************************************************
**************************************************************************
Frame   Time    Src MAC Addr  Dst MAC Addr  Protocol Description              
                                        Src Other Addr  Dst Other Addr  Type
Other Addr
6       3.588   PSCS09        auins1        NBT      NS: Query req. for
*<00...(15)>                                   PSCS13          ENGEL8         
IP

  FRAME: Base frame properties
      FRAME: Time of capture = Feb 21, 1997 10:30:47.245
      FRAME: Time delta from previous physical frame: 2 milliseconds
      FRAME: Frame number: 6
      FRAME: Total frame length: 92 bytes
      FRAME: Capture frame length: 92 bytes
      FRAME: Frame data: Number of data bytes remaining = 92 (0x005C)
  ETHERNET: ETYPE = 0x0800 : Protocol = IP:  DOD Internet Protocol
      ETHERNET: Destination address : AA000400F6C3
          ETHERNET: .......0 = Individual address
          ETHERNET: ......1. = Locally administered address
      ETHERNET: Source address : 0000F8304D48
          ETHERNET: .......0 = No routing information present
          ETHERNET: ......0. = Universally administered address
      ETHERNET: Frame Length : 92 (0x005C)
      ETHERNET: Ethernet Type : 0x0800 (IP:  DOD Internet Protocol)
      ETHERNET: Ethernet Data: Number of data bytes remaining = 78 (0x004E)
  IP: ID = 0x4F25; Proto = UDP; Len: 78
      IP: Version = 4 (0x4)
      IP: Header Length = 20 (0x14)
      IP: Service Type = 0 (0x0)
          IP: Precedence = Routine
          IP: ...0.... = Normal Delay
          IP: ....0... = Normal Throughput
          IP: .....0.. = Normal Reliability
      IP: Total Length = 78 (0x4E)
      IP: Identification = 20261 (0x4F25)
      IP: Flags Summary = 0 (0x0)
          IP: .......0 = Last fragment in datagram
          IP: ......0. = May fragment datagram if necessary
      IP: Fragment Offset = 0 (0x0) bytes
      IP: Time to Live = 128 (0x80)
      IP: Protocol = UDP - User Datagram
      IP: Checksum = 0x597F
      IP: Source Address = 16.187.128.55
      IP: Destination Address = 16.187.240.77
      IP: Data: Number of data bytes remaining = 58 (0x003A)
  UDP: Src Port: NETBIOS Name Service, (137); Dst Port: NETBIOS Name Service
(137); Length = 58 (0x3A)
      UDP: Source Port = NETBIOS Name Service
      UDP: Destination Port = NETBIOS Name Service
      UDP: Total length = 58 (0x3A) bytes
      UDP: UDP Checksum = 0xAC51
      UDP: Data: Number of data bytes remaining = 50 (0x0032)
  NBT: NS: Query req. for *<00...(15)>
      NBT: Transaction ID = 33234 (0x81D2)

page 8


Network Monitor trace  Fri 02/21/97 10:32:45  C:\Temp\nt_dns_nt_full.txt

      NBT: Flags Summary = 0x0010 - Req.; Query; Success
          NBT: 0............... = Request
          NBT: .0000........... = Query
          NBT: .....0.......... = Non-authoritative Answer
          NBT: ......0......... = Datagram not truncated
          NBT: .......0........ = Recursion not desired
          NBT: ........0....... = Recursion not available
          NBT: .........0...... = Reserved
          NBT: ..........0..... = Reserved
          NBT: ...........1.... = Broadcast packet
          NBT: ............0000 = Success
      NBT: Question Count = 1 (0x1)
      NBT: Answer Count = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: Name Service Count = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: Additional Record Count = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: Question Name = *<00...(15)>
      NBT: Question Type = Node Status Request
      NBT: Question Class = Internet Class

00000:  AA 00 04 00 F6 C3 00 00 F8 30 4D 48 08 00 45 00   .........0MH..E.
00010:  00 4E 4F 25 00 00 80 11 59 7F 10 BB 80 37 10 BB   .NO%....Y...7..
00020:  F0 4D 00 89 00 89 00 3A AC 51 81 D2 00 10 00 01   .M.....:.Q......
00030:  00 00 00 00 00 00 20 43 4B 41 41 41 41 41 41 41   ...... CKAAAAAAA
00040:  41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41   AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

******************************************************************************
**************************************************************************
Frame   Time    Src MAC Addr  Dst MAC Addr  Protocol Description              
                                        Src Other Addr  Dst Other Addr  Type
Other Addr
7       3.592   auins1        PSCS09        NBT      NS: Query (Node Status)
resp. for *<00...(15)>, Success           ENGEL8          PSCS13          IP

  FRAME: Base frame properties
      FRAME: Time of capture = Feb 21, 1997 10:30:47.249
      FRAME: Time delta from previous physical frame: 4 milliseconds
      FRAME: Frame number: 7
      FRAME: Total frame length: 415 bytes
      FRAME: Capture frame length: 415 bytes
      FRAME: Frame data: Number of data bytes remaining = 415 (0x019F)
  ETHERNET: ETYPE = 0x0800 : Protocol = IP:  DOD Internet Protocol
      ETHERNET: Destination address : 0000F8304D48
          ETHERNET: .......0 = Individual address
          ETHERNET: ......0. = Universally administered address
      ETHERNET: Source address : AA000400F6C3
          ETHERNET: .......0 = No routing information present
          ETHERNET: ......1. = Locally administered address
      ETHERNET: Frame Length : 415 (0x019F)
      ETHERNET: Ethernet Type : 0x0800 (IP:  DOD Internet Protocol)
      ETHERNET: Ethernet Data: Number of data bytes remaining = 401 (0x0191)
  IP: ID = 0x82AF; Proto = UDP; Len: 401
      IP: Version = 4 (0x4)
      IP: Header Length = 20 (0x14)
      IP: Service Type = 0 (0x0)
          IP: Precedence = Routine
          IP: ...0.... = Normal Delay
          IP: ....0... = Normal Throughput

page 9


Network Monitor trace  Fri 02/21/97 10:32:45  C:\Temp\nt_dns_nt_full.txt

          IP: .....0.. = Normal Reliability
      IP: Total Length = 401 (0x191)
      IP: Identification = 33455 (0x82AF)
      IP: Flags Summary = 0 (0x0)
          IP: .......0 = Last fragment in datagram
          IP: ......0. = May fragment datagram if necessary
      IP: Fragment Offset = 0 (0x0) bytes
      IP: Time to Live = 127 (0x7F)
      IP: Protocol = UDP - User Datagram
      IP: Checksum = 0x25B2
      IP: Source Address = 16.187.240.77
      IP: Destination Address = 16.187.128.55
      IP: Data: Number of data bytes remaining = 381 (0x017D)
  UDP: Src Port: NETBIOS Name Service, (137); Dst Port: NETBIOS Name Service
(137); Length = 381 (0x17D)
      UDP: Source Port = NETBIOS Name Service
      UDP: Destination Port = NETBIOS Name Service
      UDP: Total length = 381 (0x17D) bytes
      UDP: UDP Checksum = 0x7A40
      UDP: Data: Number of data bytes remaining = 373 (0x0175)
  NBT: NS: Query (Node Status) resp. for *<00...(15)>, Success
      NBT: Transaction ID = 33234 (0x81D2)
      NBT: Flags Summary = 0x8400 - Resp.; Query; Success
          NBT: 1............... = Response
          NBT: .0000........... = Query
          NBT: .....1.......... = Authoritative Answer
          NBT: ......0......... = Datagram not truncated
          NBT: .......0........ = Recursion not desired
          NBT: ........0....... = Recursion not available
          NBT: .........0...... = Reserved
          NBT: ..........0..... = Reserved
          NBT: ...........0.... = Not a broadcast packet
          NBT: ............0000 = Success
      NBT: Question Count = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: Answer Count = 1 (0x1)
      NBT: Name Service Count = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: Additional Record Count = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: Resource Record Name = *<00...(15)>
      NBT: Resource Record Type = Node Status Request
      NBT: Resource Record Class = Internet Class
      NBT: Time To Live = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: RDATA Length = 281 (0x119)
      NBT: Number of Names = 13 (0xD)
      NBT: ASCII Name = ENGEL8         00
      NBT: Resource Record Flags = 1024 (0x400)
          NBT: ......0......... = Non-Permanent
          NBT: .....1.......... = Active Name
          NBT: ....0........... = Name is not in Conflict
          NBT: ...0............ = Not Deregistering
          NBT: .00............. = B Node
          NBT: 0............... = Unique NetBIOS Name
      NBT: ASCII Name = ENGEL8         R
      NBT: Resource Record Flags = 1024 (0x400)
          NBT: ......0......... = Non-Permanent

page 10


Network Monitor trace  Fri 02/21/97 10:32:45  C:\Temp\nt_dns_nt_full.txt

          NBT: .....1.......... = Active Name
          NBT: ....0........... = Name is not in Conflict
          NBT: ...0............ = Not Deregistering
          NBT: .00............. = B Node
          NBT: 0............... = Unique NetBIOS Name
      NBT: ASCII Name = ENGEL8          
      NBT: Resource Record Flags = 1024 (0x400)
          NBT: ......0......... = Non-Permanent
          NBT: .....1.......... = Active Name
          NBT: ....0........... = Name is not in Conflict
          NBT: ...0............ = Not Deregistering
          NBT: .00............. = B Node
          NBT: 0............... = Unique NetBIOS Name
      NBT: ASCII Name = PCLAB          00
      NBT: Resource Record Flags = 33792 (0x8400)
          NBT: ......0......... = Non-Permanent
          NBT: .....1.......... = Active Name
          NBT: ....0........... = Name is not in Conflict
          NBT: ...0............ = Not Deregistering
          NBT: .00............. = B Node
          NBT: 1............... = Group NetBIOS Name
      NBT: ASCII Name = ENGEL8         <03>
      NBT: Resource Record Flags = 1024 (0x400)
          NBT: ......0......... = Non-Permanent
          NBT: .....1.......... = Active Name
          NBT: ....0........... = Name is not in Conflict
          NBT: ...0............ = Not Deregistering
          NBT: .00............. = B Node
          NBT: 0............... = Unique NetBIOS Name
      NBT: ASCII Name = PCLAB          <1E>
      NBT: Resource Record Flags = 33792 (0x8400)
          NBT: ......0......... = Non-Permanent
          NBT: .....1.......... = Active Name
          NBT: ....0........... = Name is not in Conflict
          NBT: ...0............ = Not Deregistering
          NBT: .00............. = B Node
          NBT: 1............... = Group NetBIOS Name
      NBT: ASCII Name = INet~Services  <1C>
      NBT: Resource Record Flags = 33792 (0x8400)
          NBT: ......0......... = Non-Permanent
          NBT: .....1.......... = Active Name
          NBT: ....0........... = Name is not in Conflict
          NBT: ...0............ = Not Deregistering
          NBT: .00............. = B Node
          NBT: 1............... = Group NetBIOS Name
      NBT: ASCII Name = IS~ENGEL800000000000000
      NBT: Resource Record Flags = 1024 (0x400)
          NBT: ......0......... = Non-Permanent
          NBT: .....1.......... = Active Name
          NBT: ....0........... = Name is not in Conflict
          NBT: ...0............ = Not Deregistering
          NBT: .00............. = B Node
          NBT: 0............... = Unique NetBIOS Name

page 11


Network Monitor trace  Fri 02/21/97 10:32:45  C:\Temp\nt_dns_nt_full.txt

      NBT: ASCII Name = [�s���_1ߩ��b_��
      NBT: Resource Record Flags = 1024 (0x400)
          NBT: ......0......... = Non-Permanent
          NBT: .....1.......... = Active Name
          NBT: ....0........... = Name is not in Conflict
          NBT: ...0............ = Not Deregistering
          NBT: .00............. = B Node
          NBT: 0............... = Unique NetBIOS Name
      NBT: ASCII Name = ENGEL8         <06>
      NBT: Resource Record Flags = 1024 (0x400)
          NBT: ......0......... = Non-Permanent
          NBT: .....1.......... = Active Name
          NBT: ....0........... = Name is not in Conflict
          NBT: ...0............ = Not Deregistering
          NBT: .00............. = B Node
          NBT: 0............... = Unique NetBIOS Name
      NBT: ASCII Name = PCLAB          <1D>
      NBT: Resource Record Flags = 1024 (0x400)
          NBT: ......0......... = Non-Permanent
          NBT: .....1.......... = Active Name
          NBT: ....0........... = Name is not in Conflict
          NBT: ...0............ = Not Deregistering
          NBT: .00............. = B Node
          NBT: 0............... = Unique NetBIOS Name
      NBT: ASCII Name = @ENGEL8         
      NBT: Resource Record Flags = 1024 (0x400)
          NBT: ......0......... = Non-Permanent
          NBT: .....1.......... = Active Name
          NBT: ....0........... = Name is not in Conflict
          NBT: ...0............ = Not Deregistering
          NBT: .00............. = B Node
          NBT: 0............... = Unique NetBIOS Name
      NBT: ASCII Name = <01><02>__MSBROWSE__<02><01>
      NBT: Resource Record Flags = 33792 (0x8400)
          NBT: ......0......... = Non-Permanent
          NBT: .....1.......... = Active Name
          NBT: ....0........... = Name is not in Conflict
          NBT: ...0............ = Not Deregistering
          NBT: .00............. = B Node
          NBT: 1............... = Group NetBIOS Name
      NBT: Adapter Address = 08002BBBF2B7 
      NBT: Version Major = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: Version Minor = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: Duration = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: FRMRs Received = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: FRMRs Transmitted = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: IFrame Receive Errors = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: Transmit Aborts = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: Tranmitted = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: Received = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: IFrame Transmit Errors = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: No Receive Buffers = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: T1 Timeouts = 0 (0x0)

page 12


Network Monitor trace  Fri 02/21/97 10:32:45  C:\Temp\nt_dns_nt_full.txt

      NBT: Ti Timeouts = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: Free NCBS = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: NCBS = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: Max NCBS = 0 (0x0)
      NBT: No Transmit Buffers = 53422 (0xD0AE)
      NBT: Max Datagram = 65320 (0xFF28)
      NBT: Pending Sessions = 53422 (0xD0AE)
      NBT: Max Sessions = 59054 (0xE6AE)
      NBT: Packet Size = 65312 (0xFF20)

00000:  00 00 F8 30 4D 48 AA 00 04 00 F6 C3 08 00 45 00   ...0MH........E.
00010:  01 91 82 AF 00 00 7F 11 25 B2 10 BB F0 4D 10 BB   .......%....M..
00020:  80 37 00 89 00 89 01 7D 7A 40 81 D2 84 00 00 00   .7.....}z@......
00030:  00 01 00 00 00 00 20 43 4B 41 41 41 41 41 41 41   ...... CKAAAAAAA
00040:  41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41 41   AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]
4166.3UTRTSC::SWEEPI want a lolly...Mon Feb 24 1997 10:325
    As you can see its a node status request for all names starting with *
    so see .2 for the explanation.
    
    *smbserver
    Adrie