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Title:Kit: Note 4229; Please use NOTED::PWDOSWIN5 for V4.x server
Notice:Kit: Note 4229; Please use NOTED::PWDOSWIN5 for V4.x server
Moderator:CPEEDY::KENNEDY
Created:Fri Dec 18 1992
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4319
Total number of notes:18478

4076.0. "Win95+WINS and cluster alias problem" by COPHK::JESPER () Fri Dec 13 1996 10:24

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4076.1UTRTSC::SWEEPI want a lolly...Mon Dec 16 1996 03:438
4076.2UTRTSC::SWEEPI want a lolly...Mon Dec 16 1996 03:464
4076.3COPHK::copvm5.dmo.dec.com::JesperThe VikingTue Dec 17 1996 03:1016
4076.4It's a MS problemCOPHK::copvm5.dmo.dec.com::cop01::jesperTue Jan 28 1997 05:5711

	The problem is now acknowledged and identified by Microsoft.

	The problem also exists in NT. The problem is again that MS TCP
	dont like GROUP names, but only if using WINS. Their netbios
	over TCP is a two legged 'monster', that goes left if using
	WINS and right when not using WINS. Thats why it works in one
	config and not in the other.

	Jesper
4076.5VMSNET::P_NUNEZWed Mar 12 1997 16:1712
    
    Can someone confirm that this WINS/PATHWORKS cluster alias problem will
    also prevent an Win95 or WinNT client from validating their domain
    logon request if the server responding to the netlogon request is a
    PATHWORKS cluster? 
    
    From my understanding, during the netlogon request the client does a
    FindName to resolve the cluster alias name (it gets back in a response
    to it's multicast).  Does the client respond to this findname response
    and succeed in being validated by the cluster?
    
    Paul
4076.6UTRTSC::SWEEPI want a lolly...Thu Mar 13 1997 04:019
    From my perception WINS will only cache unique names.
    The PW cluster alias is therefore not cached and not
    translated by WINS. This means that the client will do
    a findname request to locate the PW cluster alias.
    
    Now I must tell you that until now I only read about it
    and not work with it yet.
    
    Adrie
4076.72nd tryVMSNET::P_NUNEZThu Mar 13 1997 09:357
    
    And my question was:
    
    When the client does the findname request during the net logon process,
    will this WINS/NETBIOS group name issue cause it to fail?
    
    Paul
4076.8UTRTSC::SWEEPI want a lolly...Fri Mar 14 1997 10:474
    net logon doesn't do a findname....
    
    adrie
    its mailslot broadcast
4076.9VMSNET::P_NUNEZFri Mar 14 1997 12:4716
    Anyone ever traced a Win95 domain logon?  
    
    I'm still at a loss as to why:
    
    1. A cluster member that is NOT the active NETLOGON server, but on
    which PW was obviously NOT responding, is hanging clients during domain
    logon validation.
    
    2. When they force the PW cluster alias name over to a member that IS
    responding, the clients have no problem logging on to the domain.
    
    I'll do my testing and be back with results...
    
    Paul
    
    
4076.10CPEEDY::wells.lkg.dec.com::wellsPhil WellsFri Mar 14 1997 13:422
This sounds very much like an old IP cluster alias problem.  Are you 
using TCP and what version of PW?