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Title:IBM PCs, clones, DOS, etc.
Notice:Intro in 1-11, Windows stuff in NOTED::MSWINDOWS please
Moderator:TARKIN::LINND
Created:Mon Jan 02 1995
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3023
Total number of notes:28404

3001.0. "Microphone Question" by APACHE::ROY (Gimme 5, I'm still alive!!!!!) Wed Apr 30 1997 09:35

    
    	(Mods, if this should be in a soundcard topic, please move, I 
    	 couldn't find a generic sound topic.)
    
    	Microphone question.  I want to try using one of my 'audio' mikes
    on my soundcard rather than go out and buy a new 'computer' mike.  I
    understand that there is probably an impedance difference, and that
    that could/would give me different sound levels.
    
    	My question is this:  Can I damage the soundcard if the impedance
    diff. is too great?
    
    	Has anyone tried this?  What did you experience?
    
    	ad-THANKS-vance		Glen(n)
    
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3001.1It's possible, adapter City, Tho!LUDWIG::LPIPERWed Apr 30 1997 10:2116
    Hi-
    If your 'audio mike' is a low impedance (3 pin XLR connector), you
    might get away with an in line transformer, which goes 3 pin XLR
    (lo Z) to unbalanced (Hi Z) 1/4" line, then adapt it to the 1/8"
    connector most likely on the sound card's input.  You won't hurt
    anything.  The transformer can be found cheep at Radio Shack, of all
    places.  You'll most likely have a lot of fun sorting out all the
    (excuse me) sex differences between the adaptors, M to F, etc.
    The Lo-Z microphone outputs to a balanced line, and simply doesn't
    have enough "drive" to directly interface to the sound card input,
    which is expecting a Hi-Z source.  I *think* this solution will be
    ok, however, I am not sure if "computer Mikes" are of the electret
    condensor style, if so, then it's easier to break down and buy the
    direct hookup "computer" mic.   Hope I helped.
    
    							Loren
3001.2It can be doneBOOKS::RAPHAELSONWed Apr 30 1997 10:2528
    Most cards I've worked with are set up for unbalanced low impedance
    mikes.  To use a low impedance performance type dynamic mike with the 
    standard 1/4" phone plug or canon type 3 pin plug just requires an
    adapter to the 1/8" unbalanced mini jack on the sound card. This is
    similar to many consumer cassette tape machines.
    
    Some sound cards are set up with 1/8" stereo mini jacks for the mike,
    to support using an electret condenser type mike element. One contact
    will supply a nominal DC voltage to the mike, one is a ground, and the 
    third is the positive audio output. I would guess that you could also
    use a performance type dynamic mike here as well, and it would ignore
    the nominal voltage.
    
    There might be a problem if you want to use an external condenser type
    performance mike with a board that is set up to supply nominal voltage
    to a computer condenser mike - the voltages might be wrong, wiring
    might be confusing, etc.
    
    In any event, the mike preamp is usually the worst performing part of a
    sound card, in terms of signal/noise ratio. If you have a performance
    type mike, you may also have a mixer or tape deck with a better mike
    preamp than the sound board.  Connecting an external higher quality
    mike preamp to the sound board's line input would yield better quality
    results.  On the other hand, if you're just playing around to get the
    feel of wave file recording and editing, audio quality may not matter
    much.......................................Jon..........................
    
    Check the specs for your board to see what it supports 
3001.3Why aren't more things this simple?????APACHE::ROYIt's fun to be me!!!!!Fri May 02 1997 08:3233
    
    	Update report:
    
    	It worked!  First time, no fuss.
    
    	I have two mikes.  One is the 3pin XLR (? if I remember correctly)
    and the other is a non-detach cord to 1/4".  The latter is
    audio-technica (I think).  Anyhoo, just attached my 1/4 to 1/8 adapter
    that I had already picked up,  plugged it in, did a quick scan of the
    instructions to record, and lo and behold, me and my guitar on disk!
    
    	Used the lowest resolution bit/sampling choice and it still sounded
    fairly decent.  Approx. 48 seconds took up approx .5M of space, so I
    can see that this will have specialized use only.  I do know that if 
    you increase the sampling frequency and # of bits, the amount of space
    used goes up.  The volume for the mike input was all the way up, but
    didn't play with that to find it's limits.
    
    	.2 mentioned checking the soundcard for specs.  HA!  Sorry.  This
    is a clone.  Specs?  We don't need no stinkin' specs.  8*)  The manual
    is real basic, so I couldn't find input impedance req'mts etc.  But,
    at least I did RTFM.....
    
    	So, thank you notesfile(s).  What better way to tap into a wealth
    of information.  I've always hated having to physically hunt down
    answers by trying to find that one or two persons that happens to have
    the experience that you're looking for.
    
    	again, thanks for taking the time to reply....
    
    
    			Glen(n)