Conference bulean::decnetvax

   Please take the time to read OPENVMS-NETKIT-README.TXT, copies are
   located in BULOVA::ALPHA$KITS:[V71_SSB] and BULOVA::SYS$KITS:[V71_SSB].

   You will find that the OpenVMS Alpha kit is restored in several steps,
   and that the necessary DECnet kits are located within the BACKUP/IMAGE
   of the Alpha PCSI CD-ROM installation kit.

   The OPENVMS-NETKIT-README.TXT file covers how to expand and restore the
   installation kit to the expected format, from which one can perform the
   installation.

   If you're specifically looking for a DECnet Phase IV kit, you'll want
   to find someone in your area with the CD-ROM set.  (I would not be
   surprised to learn the kit was available to via a local InfoServer.)
   (Since the distribution kit is a compressed version of a BACKUP saveset,
   it takes a couple of steps to extricate the DECnet kit...)

   For information on acquiring a distribution kit via internal ordering
   channels, see note 8.* and 9.* over in VAXAXP::VMSNOTES.

    
    thanks Steve.
    
    marc
    

    Hi,
    
    Could you tell me if the decnet IV kit is on the TK50 VMS V7.1 upgrade.
    (Or is it an extra now? I know you get it on the CDrom upgrade).
    The cust has three tapes, two VMS and one DECNET plus. He can't find
    the kit. Systems are VAXes (all end systems). I'm sorry if this is basic, 
    but I can't get hold of a copy of the upgrade on TK50. 
    
    Thanks,
    
    Dave Vernon,
    Comms	x3801

    
:    Could you tell me if the decnet IV kit is on the TK50 VMS V7.1 upgrade.

   This is covered in the OpenVMS VAX Version 7.1 Upgrade and Installation
   Manual, which is something the customer really needs to acquire and at
   least skim through.  (Also, the customer will want to skim through the
   new features and the release notes manuals.)

   I have attached the relevent section of the upgrade manual below.

   The customer should also be aware that DECnet Phase IV is no longer
   supported by default -- a seperate support contract is required.

:    (Or is it an extra now? I know you get it on the CDrom upgrade).
:    The cust has three tapes, two VMS and one DECNET plus. He can't find
:    the kit. Systems are VAXes (all end systems). I'm sorry if this is basic, 
:    but I can't get hold of a copy of the upgrade on TK50. 
    
    *STRONGLY* *ENCOURAGE* *THE* *CUSTOMER* *MOVE* *TO* *CD-ROM* !!!

    It's cheaper, faster, easier, and far more flexible...


--
1.2.1  DECnet-Plus
   The OpenVMS VAX Version 7.1 kit includes the DECnet-
   Plus software. The DECnet Phase IV product is no longer
   part of the operating system installation and upgrade menus.
   During the OpenVMS VAX installation or upgrade proce-
   dure, you are given the option to install the DECnet-Plus
   product. Whether or not you chose to install DECnet-Plus,
   DECnet Phase IV will not be present on your system after
   you install or upgrade to OpenVMS VAX Version 7.1.

   A kit containing the DECnet-Plus software is provided with
   the OpenVMS VAX Version 7.1 kit. In future releases, cus-
   tomers who do not receive the operating system installation
   kit on CD-ROM will need to purchase the DECnet-Plus
   media and documentation separately.

   If you want to use the DECnet Phase IV product, a DECnet
   Phase IV kit is provided, which you can install after you have
   installed OpenVMS VAX Version 7.1. However, be aware
   that, if you install or reinstall DECnet Phase IV, you must
   purchase a separate support contract.

                                              Note

        If DECnet-Plus is installed on your system, you must
        remove that product before you install the DECnet
        Phase IV product. Both DECnet products cannot run
        at the same time.


   To install DECnet Phase IV, do the following after the
   OpenVMS VAX installation or upgrade is complete:


    �   If DECnet-Plus is installed on your system, use the
        PRODUCT REMOVE command to remove that product.
        (See OpenVMS System Management Utilities Reference
        Manual: M-Z  for complete information about using the
        PRODUCT command.)

    �   Mount the distribution media that contains the DECnet
        Phase IV kit.

        For example, if your OpenVMS VAX distribution me-
        dia is on CD-ROM and you want to mount it on a local
        drive, DKA400, you would enter a command similar to
        the following:

        $ MOUNT/OVER=ID DKA400

        If you are using an InfoServer device, enter the follow-
        ing command to see if the device DAD0 is present on your
        system:

        $ SHOW DEVICE DAD0

        If DAD0 is not present, enter the following:

        $ @SYS$STARTUP:ESS$STARTUP CLIENT

        Once DAD0 is present, bind to the service and mount the
        CD. For example, if the service name is VAXVMS071,
        you would enter a command similar to the following:

        $ MCR ESS$LADCP BIND VAXVMS071
        $ MOUNT/OVER=ID DAD$VAXVMS071

        Now, invoke the POLYCENTER Software Installation
        utility and install DECnet Phase IV by entering a com-
        mand similar to the following:

   $ PRODUCT INSTALL DECNET_PHASE_IV /SOURCE=DKA400:[KITS.DECNET_PHASE_IV_KIT]

        For DKA400, substitute the correct name for your source
        drive.

    �   If your distribution media is on TK50 tapes, mount the
        TK50 volume that contains the DECnet Phase IV kit.

        For example, if the device name of your TK50 drive is
        MKA500, you would enter a command similar to the
        following:

        $ MOUNT/OVER=ID MKA500:

        Now, install the DECnet Phase IV product by entering a
        command similar to the following:

        $ PRODUCT INSTALL DECNET_PHASE_IV /SOURCE=MKA500:

        For MKA500:, substitute the correct name for your source
        drive.

   For more information about the DECnet-Plus product, see
   the OpenVMS Version 7.1 New Features Manual   and the
   DECnet/OSI for OpenVMS Installation and Configuration  .

    Thanks Steve, that was a great help.

Steve,

I have read the manual, and also your note which appears to fairly accurately
reproduce it ;-)

The documentation states that the tape containing DECnet Phase IV should
be mounted in the TK50 drive, but it gives no clue about which tape
contains DECnet Phase IV.

I don't have a TK50 kit, so I can't check, but my Customer says that his
"kit" is only 3 tapes, viz: VMS Tape 1, VMS Tape 2, and DECnet-Plus. He
says he has no other tapes in the kit and cannot find DECnet Ph IV on the
tape (ie he has repeated the documented command for each tape in turn, and
without success).

So, please advise which tape should contain DECnet Phase IV.

Thanks very much,

	John Weir

OK ... Just for those who come accross the same problem.

My Customer found the answer. He says that the DECnet Ph IV kit is on the
end of the VMS TK50 #2, and that it took 2 hours (sic!) for the tape to
wind backwards and forwards to find it.

So, if you (or your Customers) need to install DECnet Phase IV V7.1 off
TK50, I suggest you start it before lunch and just eat slowly ;-)

Regards,

	John Weir

:So, if you (or your Customers) need to install DECnet Phase IV V7.1 off
:TK50, I suggest you start it before lunch and just eat slowly ;-)

   Or order the CD-ROM kit and a CD-ROM drive -- consider loaning this
   customer a CD-ROM for a while, and run some prices for the cost of
   the CD-ROM distributions vs the TK50 distributions.

   If you are doing it for the customer -- bring along your own CD-ROM
   and drive.  It's certainly far faster...

   And with a CD-ROM drive and OpenVMS CD-ROM distribution, one can boot
   a read-only version of OpenVMS, and can perform maintenance and BACKUP
   operations directly on the "real" system disk.

   (Notice any recurring themes here?  :-)