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Conference bulean::decnetvax

Title:DECnet-VAX Conference
Notice:The WORLD's Leader in Networking
Moderator:BULEAN::BENOIT
Created:Sun Feb 02 1986
Last Modified:Sun Jun 01 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5887
Total number of notes:24029

5874.0. "Multi-circuit end-node on dual rail." by KYOSS1::SLAGLE () Thu Mar 06 1997 16:17

    A customer has 5 VAXs running DECnet for OpenVMS 6.1 and 2 Alphas
    running DECnet for OpenVMS 6.2.  Each of these systems has 2 Ethernet
    interfaces running to separate rails.  The VAXs are L1 routers and the
    Alphas are end nodes since DECnet for OpenVMS does not support routing
    on Alphas.  At one end of each of these rails is a CT-Gateway and at
    the other end of each rail is a Wellfleet brouter.  In addition to
    these 2 rails, the Wellfleets also have an Ethernet interface to a
    common developement backbone.
    
    In the event of a failure of an Ethernet interface, the VAXs use DECnet
    routing to find the CT-Gateways through the other interface and through
    the Wellfleet brouters.  As "multi-circuit" end nodes, do the Alphas
    "failover" in the same way?  Will the Alphas automatically find both
    CT-Gateways through the other interface?
    
    As a side issue, we would like the customer to upgrade to DECnet/OSI. 
    How can we convince them that they need to do this?  What are some
    strong benefits they will gain?  Is there a point in the future when
    vanilla DECnet for OpenVMS will no longer be supported?
    
    Thanks,
    Everett Slagle
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5874.1DECnet Routing; "Prior Version" SupportXDELTA::HOFFMANSteve, OpenVMS EngineeringThu Mar 06 1997 16:5620
   DECnet phase IV end-nodes do not automatically fail-over among the
   available working circuits, and require some explicit user-supplied
   NCP commands to engender fail-over.

   DECnet phase IV routers and DECnet-Plus end-nodes do automatically
   fail-over among available (working) circuits, and the fail-over
   process requires no manual intervention.

   DECnet-Plus also transparently supports multiple Ethernet rails, and
   multiple Ethernet controllers connected to the same Ethernet rail.

   OpenVMS V6.1 and OpenVMS V6.2, and the associated DECnet releases, are
   now only presently supported with a "prior version support" contract.

   DECnet Phase IV presently requires a specific support contract -- the
   "default" DECnet for OpenVMS V7.1 is DECnet-Plus.  I know of no explicit
   announced end-of-prior-version-support dates for the V6.x-vintage OpenVMS
   releases, nor for DECnet Phase IV.

5874.2please clarifyKYOSS1::SLAGLEFri Mar 07 1997 08:517
    Please pardon my ignorance, but what is a "prior version support"
    contract?  What does that mean?
    
    Would it be better to recommend the upgrade to DECnet/OSI and not worry
    about all of that?
    
    Thanks
5874.3"Prior version support"XDELTA::HOFFMANSteve, OpenVMS EngineeringFri Mar 07 1997 13:3222
:    Please pardon my ignorance, but what is a "prior version support"
:    contract?  What does that mean?

   "Prior version support" (PVS) is a set of extra-cost software support
   contracts for specific products or older releases available from MCS.

   PVS has two levels: "Sustaining Engineering", and "Best Endevour"
   contracts.

   The standard software support contracts cover the most recent releases
   of OpenVMS -- currently V6.2-1Hx (*not* V6.2!), V7.0 and V7.1, and recent
   versions of DECnet.   Support for specific earlier versions of specific
   products is available via PVS, at an extra cost.

   (This info should be available via http://webir.das.dec.com/ or VTX IR.)

:    Would it be better to recommend the upgrade to DECnet/OSI and not worry
:    about all of that?

   I'd recommend staying current, but this is up to the customer, as the
   customer may have specific local requirements.

5874.4DECnet-Plus on TCP/IP (Dual Rails)TKOV60::MORIGSat May 17 1997 02:1333
>    <<< XDELTA::HOFFMAN "Steve, OpenVMS Engineering" �ˤ��Ρ��� 5874.1 >>>
>                  -< DECnet Routing; "Prior Version" Support >-
>
>
>   DECnet phase IV routers and DECnet-Plus end-nodes do automatically
>   fail-over among available (working) circuits, and the fail-over
>   process requires no manual intervention.
>
>   DECnet-Plus also transparently supports multiple Ethernet rails, and
>   multiple Ethernet controllers connected to the same Ethernet rail.
>

We are trying to resolve our customer requirement.
They are using dual rail ethernet with FDDI on OpenVMS v6.2 and DECnet/OSI 
v6.3.

They are trying to change the protocol from DECnet to TCP/IP.

They understand that UCX can't handle dual homing IP nor Path Splitting on
the dual rail.

I heard DECnet-plus works on UCX for TCP/IP stack.

Do you mean they can use TCP/IP with dual rail and automatic fail over?

If possible, we want to use DECmessageQ on TCPIP with DECnet-Plus.
I asked about the dual homing IP support at DMQ note conference, but DMQ
didn't support it.......

Please let me know.

Best regards,
Yukio Moriguchi
5874.5Asking Wrong Audience...XDELTA::HOFFMANSteve, OpenVMS EngineeringMon May 19 1997 17:3638
:We are trying to resolve our customer requirement.
:They are using dual rail ethernet with FDDI on OpenVMS v6.2 and DECnet/OSI 
:v6.3.

  I assume this configuration works fine.

:They are trying to change the protocol from DECnet to TCP/IP.

  Why?  (I've seen folks try switching protocol stacks for good
  reasons, and I've seen folks trash good and working network
  configurations solely because the network protocols in use
  were "out of fashion".)

:They understand that UCX can't handle dual homing IP nor Path Splitting on
:the dual rail.

  Donno.  Ask over in LASSIE::UCX.

:I heard DECnet-plus works on UCX for TCP/IP stack.

  DECnet-PLUS operates over a variety of protocol stacks, including
  IP.  (And DECnet-Plus operates with several different IP stack
  vendors, including UCX.)

:Do you mean they can use TCP/IP with dual rail and automatic fail over?

  Donno.  Ask over in LASSIE::UCX, or HELP::DECNET-OSI_FOR_VMS.

:If possible, we want to use DECmessageQ on TCPIP with DECnet-Plus.
:I asked about the dual homing IP support at DMQ note conference, but DMQ
:didn't support it.......

  None of this list of products is covered by this conference -- if
  the DECmessageQ folks (at PAMSRC::DECMESSAGEQ) told you they don't
  support this configuration, then they likely don't support it...

  The DECnet-Plus notes conference is at HELP::DECNET-OSI_FOR_VMS.