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Title:note 3 has pointer to current kit
Notice:note 3 has pointer to current kit
Moderator:PEACHS::GHEFF
Created:Wed May 29 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3301
Total number of notes:14905

3087.0. "The Password that Would Not Die" by PEACHS::GHEFF (http://tuvok.alf.dec.com/excursion) Thu Aug 15 1996 17:30

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3087.1LJSRV1::RICHwarped and scaredFri Aug 16 1996 14:554
3087.2this appears to me to be the same problemFIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Fri Mar 07 1997 12:5516
On the VMS machine,  I changed the VMS password and opened ADMIN and
changed the password there as well.

On the Windows 95/eXcursion 2.1 PC I opened the eXcusion control panel,
selected the  accounts tab, selected the machine, entered a new password
clicked OK and exited.  The new password would not take, and of course the
old password would not let me back into the VMS machine.

Not until I deleted all of the applications associated with machine with
the new  password, and re-installed those one-by-one was I able to access
the VMS machine again.

Is there a `trick' to  updating passwords on the server  and the PC w/o
tempting fate?

Bruce
3087.3some info about how excursion does passwordsJAMIN::OSMANEric Osman, dtn 226-7122Fri Mar 14 1997 11:0353
    
    Here's a bit of inside information that may help you understand
    excursion's current (and a bit deficient) method of handling passwords.
    
    Note that in the excursion control panel, there are two kinds of
    apps you can define.  One kind is "predefined x apps" and the other
    is "custom x apps".
    
    Try defining a predefined x app.  After the system icon appears, click
    the right mouse button on it and look at its properties, and go to the
    shortcut tab and examine the resultant system command.  For example,
    suppose you set up the predefined "terminal" application.  The 
    line shown in the properties box will look something like this:
    
    	D:\s\recent\x86\launch.exe -Xapp -alias 'osman osfwnt'
    	$create/term/detach
    
    Notice how the line includes "-alias" and then  my username osman and
    then my unix system node name which is osfwnt.
    
    Compare this with the resultant line if you define a custom x app
    instead of a predefined one.  Here's what mine looks like:
    
    	D:\s\recent\x86\launch.exe -Xapp -t TCPIP -m rexec osfwnt -l osman -pwd
    	!MTQi$$cPlM $ create/term/det
    
    Notice how there's no -alias this time, and how there's -pwd followed
    by an encoded password.
    
    This is the crucial difference !  Since the password is stored right in
    the command string for the custom case, that means if I change my
    password over on unix system osfwnt, and I change the password in my
    excursion control panel (in the accounts tab) under account "osman
    osfwnt" the custom app will no longer start since the old password is
    still stored on the command line in the shortcut.
    
    But the predefined x app will magically continue to work, since its
    command line points to the account "osman osfwnt" indirectly, and hence
    it will see the password change.
    
    In the future, we hope to change excursion so that the custom apps
    define their command line the same way the predefined x apps do.  But
    for now, if you change your password on the host system, you'll need
    to redefine your custom x apps, but not your predefined x apps.  So
    it's better to use the predefined ones if possible.  And of course for
    either type you need to change the account password in the excursion
    control panel.
    
    I hope giving some of this inside information helps you manage things
    better at your end.
    
    /Eric
           
3087.4...not mine...FIEVEL::FILGATEBruce Filgate SHR3-2/W4 237-6452Fri Mar 14 1997 17:596
 Actually on mine the predefined vue$master command looks almost
 identical to my $notes command, complete the strange password
 strings.

 thanks