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Conference noted::decnis

Title: DEC Network Integration Server (DECNIS)
Notice:Please read note 1 to use this conference effectively
Moderator:MARVIN::WELCH
Created:Wed Sep 18 1991
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3660
Total number of notes:15082

3028.0. "V3.1-4 RIP problem with parallel routers" by GIDDAY::KINGSMILL (Geoff Kingsmill, Australia) Mon Feb 26 1996 02:12

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3028.1rip traceGIDDAY::KINGSMILLGeoff Kingsmill, AustraliaMon Feb 26 1996 02:27862
3028.2MARVIN::FORSTERWed Feb 28 1996 13:338
3028.3MARVIN::FORSTERWed Feb 28 1996 14:437
3028.4FixedGIDDAY::KINGSMILLGeoff Kingsmill, AustraliaThu Mar 21 1996 15:554
3028.5same problem in V4.0-2YAKKA::KINGSMILLGeoff Kingsmill, AustraliaMon Mar 10 1997 18:4211
    I've upgraded a pair of parallel DECnis routers from V3.1-x to
V4.1-2 and now seem to have the same (or very similar) RIP problem
that was seen back in FEB-1996. Is it possible that this fix did not get
into V4.0? When two routers are in parallel we see the rip metric for
each route incrementing by 2 each update. Everything works fine if one
of the parallel routers is shutdown. 
    Is this a known problem or do you have ideas on what's wrong. 

Thanks,
Geoff..

3028.6Mmmmm?MARVIN::MILLSTue Mar 11 1997 02:4317
>    I've upgraded a pair of parallel DECnis routers from V3.1-x to
>V4.1-2 and now seem to have the same (or very similar) RIP problem
>that was seen back in FEB-1996. Is it possible that this fix did not get
>into V4.0? When two routers are in parallel we see the rip metric for
>each route incrementing by 2 each update. Everything works fine if one
>of the parallel routers is shutdown. 
>    Is this a known problem or do you have ideas on what's wrong. 

The fix is in for v3.1-9 and V4.0-2. Let me try and reproduce the 
problem in the lab and I'll get back to you. 

I assume the network is the same as described in .0?

Regards,

Grant.
3028.7It works for me.MARVIN::MILLSTue Mar 11 1997 11:25108
I've setup a network as follow in our lab :-

    64.7.2.2                         64.7.2.1
---------+-------------------------------+------------
         |                               |                     | 
      L601-3-0                        L602-3-1                 |
        NIS2                            NIS1    L602-3-0-------+ 64.64.64.110
      L601-4-0	                      L601-4-0                 |
         |                               |                     |
---------+-------------------------------+------------ 
    64.7.3.2                         64.7.3.1

Each NIS is running V4.0-1.

When I use DTF to trace the RIP update packets broadcast by NIS1
I see the correct metric for each of the parallel subnets being 
Transmitted to circuit.

E.g:


-DTF- 0 ripTx       292 of 292  at 00:18:10.129          L602-3-0        1
      Status: 8064FCC4         Context: 00000002        Function: 00000000
                                                                 |  
      IP Packet: IP
      Type of service               0x00                         |  Precedence                    Routine
      Total length                  292                          |  Packet identifier             0x00F8
      Fragment offset               0x0000                       |  Time to live                  2
      Verified checksum             0xB4E4                       |  Source Address                64.64.64.110
      Destination Address           64.64.64.255                 |  Protocol                      UDP
                                                                 |  
      IP protocol: UDP
      Verified UDP checksum         0x724B                       |  UDP length                    272
      Source port                   router                       |  Destination port              router
                                                                 |  
      UDP port: RIP
      RIP version                   1                            |  RIP Command                   Response
                                                                 |  
      RIP command: Response
      RIP Networks...               13                           |  network @ metric              1.0.0.0 @ 16
      network @ metric              16.0.0.0 @ 16                |  network @ metric              64.0.1.0 @ 16
      network @ metric              64.0.2.0 @ 16                |  network @ metric              64.6.6.0 @ 16
      network @ metric              64.7.0.0 @ 16                |  network @ metric              64.7.2.0 @ 1
      network @ metric              64.7.3.0 @ 1                 |  network @ metric              64.20.226.0 @ 16
      network @ metric              64.20.227.0 @ 16             |  network @ metric              64.20.228.0 @ 16
      network @ metric              64.21.250.0 @ 16             |  network @ metric              64.70.0.0 @ 16

-DTF- 0 ripTx       292 of 292  at 00:18:10.129          L602-3-1        1
      Status: 8064FCC4         Context: 00000002        Function: 00000000
                                                                 |  
      IP Packet: IP
      Type of service               0x00                         |  Precedence                    Routine
      Total length                  292                          |  Packet identifier             0x00F9
      Fragment offset               0x0000                       |  Time to live                  2
      Verified checksum             0x31C1                       |  Source Address                64.7.2.1
      Destination Address           64.7.2.255                   |  Protocol                      UDP
                                                                 |  
      IP protocol: UDP
      Verified UDP checksum         0xB184                       |  UDP length                    272
      Source port                   router                       |  Destination port              router
                                                                 |  
      UDP port: RIP
      RIP version                   1                            |  RIP Command                   Response
                                                                 |  
      RIP command: Response
      RIP Networks...               13                           |  network @ metric              1.0.0.0 @ 2
      network @ metric              16.0.0.0 @ 2                 |  network @ metric              64.0.1.0 @ 5
      network @ metric              64.0.2.0 @ 3                 |  network @ metric              64.6.6.0 @ 4
      network @ metric              64.7.0.0 @ 2                 |  network @ metric              64.7.3.0 @ 1
      network @ metric              64.20.226.0 @ 2              |  network @ metric              64.20.227.0 @ 2
      network @ metric              64.20.228.0 @ 3              |  network @ metric              64.21.250.0 @ 2
      network @ metric              64.64.64.0 @ 1               |  network @ metric              64.70.0.0 @ 2

-DTF- 0 ripTx       292 of 292  at 00:18:10.129          L601-4-0        1
      Status: 8064FCC4         Context: 00000002        Function: 00000000
                                                                 |  
      IP Packet: IP
      Type of service               0x00                         |  Precedence                    Routine
      Total length                  292                          |  Packet identifier             0x00FA
      Fragment offset               0x0000                       |  Time to live                  2
      Verified checksum             0x2FC0                       |  Source Address                64.7.3.1
      Destination Address           64.7.3.255                   |  Protocol                      UDP
                                                                 |  
      IP protocol: UDP
      Verified UDP checksum         0xB084                       |  UDP length                    272
      Source port                   router                       |  Destination port              router
                                                                 |  
      UDP port: RIP
      RIP version                   1                            |  RIP Command                   Response
                                                                 |  
      RIP command: Response
      RIP Networks...               13                           |  network @ metric              1.0.0.0 @ 2
      network @ metric              16.0.0.0 @ 2                 |  network @ metric              64.0.1.0 @ 5
      network @ metric              64.0.2.0 @ 3                 |  network @ metric              64.6.6.0 @ 4
      network @ metric              64.7.0.0 @ 2                 |  network @ metric              64.7.2.0 @ 1
      network @ metric              64.20.226.0 @ 2              |  network @ metric              64.20.227.0 @ 2
      network @ metric              64.20.228.0 @ 3              |  network @ metric              64.21.250.0 @ 2
      network @ metric              64.64.64.0 @ 1               |  network @ metric              64.70.0.0 @ 2
      network @ metric              64.20.228.0 @ 3              |  network @ metric              64.21.250.0 @ 2
      network @ metric              64.64.64.0 @ 1               |  network @ metric              64.70.0.0 @ 2

As far as I can see there is nothing wrong with V4.0-# or V3.1-9. 
So in order to solve your problem can you supply more info concerning 
your configuration, network etc.

Regards,

Grant.
3028.8more detailsYAKKA::KINGSMILLGeoff Kingsmill, AustraliaTue Mar 11 1997 18:3318
Grant,
     Thanks for following this up. After entering the note here I also tried to
reproduce the problem in an offline simplified environment and I was not able
to reproduce the problem either. In the operational environment however the
problem is totally reproduceable. The parallel DECnis's contain two FDDI's and
four ethernets. When I tried to emulate the behaviour I used parallel DECnis's 
containing one FDDI and two ethernets. 
     If I go back to V3.1-9 everything works fine. As soon as I boot V4.0-2 the
incorrect RIP updates reappear so its definely related to V4.0-2. The network
trace shows the RIP metric incrementing by two on each update (ie. every 30 
seconds) for subnets local to the router. The RIP metric for remote subnets are
fine. The network has a lot of subnets and so it takes four RIP packets to 
transmit all subnets.
     I will see if I can reproduce this using a similar offline configuration.
Any other suggestions or ideas? 

Thanks,
Geoff..
3028.9Same Routing Code in each image.MARVIN::MILLSWed Mar 12 1997 06:1215
>     If I go back to V3.1-9 everything works fine. As soon as I boot V4.0-2 the
>incorrect RIP updates reappear so its definely related to V4.0-2. 

Both V3.1-9 and V4.0-2 contain exactly the same Routing code. So it is very
strange indeed that only V4.0-2 should exhibit this behaviour.

Can you tell me the procedure you go through when reloading the DECNIS units
with a new image. Which configurator are you using, VMS or the PC Windows
configurator? Are you using exactly the same configuration each time?

Regards,

Grant.


3028.10the finger and the mind are out of syncYAKKA::KINGSMILLGeoff Kingsmill, AustraliaWed Mar 12 1997 22:0721
Grant,

>>     If I go back to V3.1-9 everything works fine. As soon as I boot V4.0-2 the
>>incorrect RIP updates reappear so its definely related to V4.0-2. 
>
>Both V3.1-9 and V4.0-2 contain exactly the same Routing code. So it is very
>strange indeed that only V4.0-2 should exhibit this behaviour.
 
Sorry, The above is incorrect. V3.1-6 works fine. V4.0-2 fails. I also believe
V4.0-1 also fails but I have not confirmed this using a network trace.

>Can you tell me the procedure you go through when reloading the DECNIS units
>with a new image. Which configurator are you using, VMS or the PC Windows
>configurator? Are you using exactly the same configuration each time?

We installed V4.0-2 on VMS/VAX V6.2 and rebuilt the CMIP file. When the
DECnis's were rebooted the RIP problem occurred. We then rebooted using the 
V3.1-6 system image with the new CMIP file and everything worked fine. 

Thanks,
Geoff..
3028.11IPMT CFS.49698YAKKA::KINGSMILLGeoff Kingsmill, AustraliaTue Mar 25 1997 16:315
Just to close off this note. Grant provided a new image which fixes the V4.0.2
RIP problem.

Geoff..