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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

4397.0. "900 hubs+modules - is max operating altitude really 4900m ?????" by BBPBV1::WALLACE (john wallace @ bbp. +44 860 675093) Thu May 08 1997 20:45

    I have a customer wanting to put a collection of stuff at high
    altitude.
    
    There is conflicting info about what the DEChub modules and docking
    stations will do. In this particular case I'm looking at DEChub ONE and
    DECswitch 900EF but others will follow later.
    
    The DEChub ONE and ONE MX installation manuals both say 4900m max
    altitude, and I have an old (Feb 95) email from Bill Bogert in NPBU HQ
    which talks about standards, MTBFs, and such, and says everything is OK
    to 4900m operating altitude.
    
    However, the DECswitch 900EF installation manual says 2400m, and indeed
    that's more in line with what I would usually expect to be certified.
    
    Is there a definitive answer ? I seem to be the first to ask this
    question (according to DIR /TIT=ALTITUDE and AltaVista Notes), which is
    a bit of a surprise to me...
    
    All info gratefully received... 
    
    regards
    john
    uk oem sales support
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4397.1What is the rev of you DECswitch Installation manual?NETCAD::BATTERSBYFri May 09 1997 10:266
    My hard-copy of the DECswitch 900EF installation guide dated
    May 1995 shows the altitude limit as being 4900m (16,000 ft).
    I'm pulling a soft-copy of the D01 rev May 1996 to see what it
    says.
    
    Bob
4397.2Latest versionNETCAD::PERAROFri May 09 1997 11:149
    
    The latest manual is on the WEB. It is dated May 1996. This version
    now lists the non-operating and operating specifications. 
    
    See the manual on the WEB for the numbers.
    
    Mary Peraro
    Hardware Doc Project Leader
    
4397.3More info...hope this helps clarify things....NETCAD::BATTERSBYFri May 09 1997 11:4224
    Yup, I've got the May 1996 manual in my hands, and as Mary
    alluded to, the rev D01 lists both the operating and non-operating
    altitude.
    
    
    Altitude
    
    - Operating         Sea level to 2400 m (8,000 ft)
    - Non-operating     Sea level to 4900 m (16,000 ft)
                        For sites above 2400 m (8,000 ft) decrease the
                        operating temperature specification by 1.8 deg C
                        for each 1000 m or 3.2 deg F for each 3200 ft.
    
    My recollection of the DEC standard that altitude specs are associated 
    with is that there has always been an operating and non operating limit.
    I suspect that the singular previous altitude limit documented of
    4900 m  was not a clear and accurate way to document the altitude
    limits. Presumably all manuals, as they are updated for other reasons, 
    will now adhere to the proper procedure of documenting operating and 
    non-operating limits. 
    The higher altitude limits are obviously to cover instances where
    transportation of the products takes place.
    
    Bob
4397.4thanks allBBPBV1::WALLACEjohn wallace @ bbp. +44 860 675093Fri May 09 1997 14:229
    .-1 is exactly what I expected, and exactly why I was surprised. Owing
    to PC trouble I can't confirm the exact rev of the documents I have,
    but they are PDF-format manuals which have almost certainly come off
    the external web in the last month or 3. They may be from the US or
    European pages depending on where and when I got them... I'll be back
    with more info when my PC is sorted...
    
    thanks
    john
4397.5NETCAD::THAYER...the hegemony of clarity...Mon May 12 1997 14:5020
	It's all a bit confusing. There are operating and non-operating
	limits. Plus there are various revisions of DEC Standard 102,
	the environmental standard. NPB had chosen to stick with the
	older, more stingent rev E of the altitude portion of the standard.
	The good part is that it doesn't make any difference. I've never 
	known any of NPB's products to fail any rev of the altitude test.

	The DEC Standard 102 web page, tcs.eng.pko.dec.com , notes
	that a new rev of the altitude standard will likely be 
	implmented in the near future. It will be:

		Operating	Rev G Draft (10,000 Ft)
		Non-Operating	Rev G Draft (40,000 Ft)


	Do remember that the max operating ambient temperature is
	decremented as the operating altitude increases.

		Tamb Max = 50C - (1.8C/1000m)*(altitude)
4397.6A test? Theoretical or practical ?BBPBV1::WALLACEjohn wallace @ bbp. +44 860 675093Thu May 15 1997 14:576
    When you say "altitude test", do we really stick these things in a
    chamber and see how they perform, or is it a careful thermal analysis
    taking into account the reduced convection cooling at higher altitudes?
    
    regards
    john
4397.7It's at Parker st. site.....NETCAD::BATTERSBYThu May 15 1997 15:365
    Yup...there's a chamber at the Parker Street facility in Maynard.
    Someone like John Thayer can probably tell you more about it.
    He may even have some interesting stories to tell too. :-)
    
    Bob