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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

4372.0. "DEWGB-MA high falire rate in one site" by GIDDAY::STANISLAUS () Tue Apr 22 1997 23:29

We are seeing a high failure rate of DEWGB-MA at one site. 21 units failed in 4
months. I got a sample of 4 units and found that in all cases the DC-to-DC
converted and the fuse feeding it are faulty. Sometimes it is the Work-Group
DC-to-DC converter and sometimes it is the Back-Bone DC-to-DC converter. In one
case the converter was faulty, but the fuse was food.

We resurrected 2 out of 4 faulty units, because each unit has 2 converters and
only one converter is faulty.

This converter has a small daughter card with a tiny transformer and a couple of
transistors and some capacitors. The BOM shows the P/N of this transformer as
20-45319-01. I vaguely recal seeing a similar daughter card on the H4005
transceivers that were manufactured in Australia, but I am not sure if it is the
same part.

Is there a quality issue with these DC-to-DC converters ? Could the fuse be
over-rated, that by the time the fuse blows the daughter card is damaged or did
the damaged daughter card blew the fuse ?

This site has had these units for several years and it is only in the last 4
months 21 units have failed - I have been told. I don't know for sure if the
remaining 17 units that were not given to me had the same problem. 

The LED would read as follows on the failed units:

	TOP MOST - GREEN ON
	2nd from TOP- Green ON
	3rd from TOP-  Green OFF
	TOP Amber - ON
	Rest all OFF.

Connecting to bridge via NCP or NCL through the working Ethernet Port would show
the bridge continuously failing loop back testing. 
1802:00-00-00-00
01

	 I connected via NCL or NCP to only one unit. The others I just looked
at the LEDs.

Alphonse
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4372.1I just saw note 2172GIDDAY::STANISLAUSTue Apr 22 1997 23:337
Note 2172 has the same issue. In my case the revs are all D3. Probably the fuses
are preventing the burning smell, etc. In my case there is no burning smell as
written in note 2172 of this conference.

There is no answer to note 2172 to say there is a fix.

Alphonse
4372.2My customer has also had this for 4 years or so.GIDDAY::STANISLAUSTue Apr 22 1997 23:354
My customer has also had this for 4 years like note 2172 says. Is this a 4 years
lifetime Dc-to-DC converter ?

Alphonse
4372.3Yep, there is an issue..PTOSS1::DANZAKPittsburgher �Tue Apr 29 1997 23:135
    There is a DC-DC converter problem - call Michelle Bigelow DTN 226-5168
    for more info...but I think that it has to do with some parts from a
    3rd party which were out-of-spec etc.
    
    
4372.4ECO DEWGB-LKG006 solves this ProblemZUR01::ACKERMANNWed Apr 30 1997 07:0831
    
    
    Hello together,
    
    We had here in Switzerland on some Customer Sides the same Problems
    with the burned DC-DC Converters. We replaced the Modules with higher
    Revisions.
    I went to our Local Digital Repair Center. From there i have get
    the following Infos:
    
    There are known Problems with the DC-DC Converters with DEWGB/DEWGF
    Units and there are ECOs implemented to solve these Problems:
    
    The DEWGB ECO:
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    ECO#            DEWGB-MA        DEWGB-M    Etch FW Rev. ROM Rev
    
    DEWGB-LKG006    F04             E04        H1   V3.9    V2.2
    /6A             F02             E02        F1   V3.9    V2.2
    
    With the  ECO#  DEWGB-LKG006 the DC-DC Converter Rework is done.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Daniel MCS
    
    Network and Communication Support Switzerland
    
    
4372.5And another ECO for the DEWGFZUR01::ACKERMANNWed Apr 30 1997 07:1025
    
    
    Hello again,
    
    Here is the ECO Info for the DEWGF:
    
    
    The DEWGF ECO:
    --------------
    
    ECO#            DEWGF-MA        DEWGF-M   Etch  FW Rev. ROM Rev
    
    DEWGF-LKG003    C05             E03       D1    V3.9    V2.1
                    C03             E01       C1    V3.9    V2.1
    
    With the  ECO#  DEWGF-LKG003 the DC-DC Converter Rework is done.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Daniel MCS
    
    Network and Communication Support Switzerland