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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

4355.0. "DEChub ONE-MX Redundancy" by SNOFS1::KHOOJEANNIE (Hangovers: The Wrath of Grapes?) Tue Apr 15 1997 02:24

    Hello there
    
    Please advise whether this works in practice, and whether it is officially
    supported:
    
    Using 2 modules and 2 DEChub ONE-MXs with the redundant power kit,
    assuming that both modules' power requirements are less than 90W in total,
    can one of the DEChub ONE-MXs support both modules in event of the
    other DH1 failing?
    
    Thanks very much
    Jeannie
    
    Sydney, Down Under
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4355.1Wrong mode of redundancy methinks....NETCAD::BATTERSBYTue Apr 15 1997 09:5312
    Jeannie, I don't think this is the real intent of the use of the
    redundant power kit. The DEChub ONE-MX (DEF1H) is rated for 90 watts.
    So as such will not support for example 2 DEFBA's each rated at less
    than 90 watts at 67.5w each. I think the intent in use for the
    redundant power kit is to have a separate module and docking station
    configured for a fail-safe mode where the second docking station and
    module would take over for the failed docking station/module, not
    that two modules could be powered off the same docking station. The
    above fail-safe mode also assumes you have redundant network cable
    connections for the second module too.
    
    Bob
4355.2Another comment...NETCAD::BATTERSBYTue Apr 15 1997 09:566
    Also, the module connected to the dead docking station couldn't
    function anyhow what with the dead logic circuitry required by
    the Matrix and Secretariat connectors on the docking station logic
    card.
    
    Bob
4355.3Any plans for this?SNOFS1::KHOOJEANNIELaziness breeds EfficiencyTue Apr 15 1997 20:2510
    Hi Bob
    
    Thanks for your answers.  Our customer wanted to use 2 DECserver 900s,
    which together use 27.5W * 2 (<90W in total).
    
    Is this dead logic circuitry easy to "fix", and do we have any plans at
    all in this direction?
    
    Thank you
    Jeannie
4355.4It's external AC redundancy we're talking about...NETCAD::BATTERSBYWed Apr 16 1997 10:3318
    Well what I meant was that when a docking station loses its power
    due to some internal component failure in the AC primary circuit
    side of the circuit board, or because of some component failure
    on the secondary DC side in the switching power supply circuit,
    there is no way that the active components required for an attached
    module to "talk" out/in through either the 48 pin connector or the
    160 pin connector. Thus, there is no way to "route" the signals
    going in/out one set of mated connectors of a docking station module
    pair to the second module pair. So only one module/docking station
    pair can be used/active while the other has lost its power.
    There is nothing to be "fixed" as such. Rather, it in how your
    customer must perceive that they can use the redundant power kit.
    The redundant power kit allows for external AC redundancy of the
    docking stations, not the internal DC side of the docking stations.
    So one docking station can not physically power the second module
    attached to the second docking station.
    
    Bob
4355.5Not the end of the story?SNOFS1::KHOOJEANNIELaziness breeds EfficiencyThu May 01 1997 23:0018
    More on this topic of DEChub ONE-MX p/s redundancy:
    
    I advised the customer that it wouldn't work, but very embarrassingly,
    the customer tested this out, and claims it DOES work!
    
    He has two DECserver 900TMs in two DEChub ONE-MXs, linked with the
    H9519-AA.  He pulls the AC power cord out of one and both DECservers
    are still operational (the LEDs are still working and show a racing 8
    as usual).
    
    So what is the story with this?  Does anyone know who the product
    manager of the DEChub ONE is so this can be confirmed?
    
    Has anyone else in the field had any experience with this?
           
    Regards
    Jeannie