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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

3538.0. "RMON upgrade and PEswitch" by SCASS1::DAVIES (Mark, NPB Sales, Dallas,TX) Fri May 17 1996 16:59

    Does the Full RMON upgrade apply to the PEswitch 900TX, or only to the
    Two DECswitch 900 products?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Mark
    
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3538.1Full RMON applies to DECswitch900 EE/EF/FONETCAD::BATTERSBYDon't use time/words carelesslyFri May 17 1996 18:045
    Mark, the full RMON upgrade only applies to the 2 DECswitch products
    EE/EF, *and* btw also applies to the DECSwitch900FO just recently
    announced.
    
    Bob
3538.2STRWRS::KOCH_PIt never hurts to ask...Fri May 17 1996 18:3711
    
    Bob,
    
    	There's something seriously wrong then. According to a document
    	posted on the external WWW page, the DECswitch 900EF gets the
    	4 + 9 upgrade in May 1996 and the DECswitch 900TX, 900FO and 
    	PEswitch 900TX get the same upgrade in August 1996.
    
    	This is also counter to what we were told at the last SE Forum.
    
    
3538.3Some clarification...NETCAD::BATTERSBYDon't use time/words carelesslyMon May 20 1996 11:2416
    Hi Ted, first, what's a DECswitch900TX. :-) I know what a PEswitch900TX
    is.
    Now on to the RMON stuff. What I think I said was that the RMON upgrade
    applies, but didn't say when, nor did I imply what was free and what 
    would have to be paid for. The 4 basic groups are free (whenever
    that is available). The 9 group upgrade is something that must be
    purchased (also whenever it becomes available). On the PEswitch, when 
    I asked one of the developers, he said that the plug had been pulled on 
    the full RMON for the PEswitch, but apparently not on the 4 basic groups. 
    So what I meant by "applies" in answering Marks question is what I had 
    come to understand the 9 group RMON would be applied (at some point in 
    time), not that it was available now. 
    Can you give me the web pointer that is posted with the infomation you 
    are referring to, so I can take a peek at it?
    
    Bob
3538.4STRWRS::KOCH_PIt never hurts to ask...Mon May 20 1996 17:0414
    
    Bob,
    
    	I have a general issue on this "pull the plug" on the 9 group RMON.
    It would be really helpful if this kind of info was given to the field
    because we were told unequivocaly that all switches would support ALL 9
    groups. I've been selling this to customers since then.
    
    I meant to say DECswitch 900EE, 900FO & PEswitch 900TX. 
    
    I don't have the URL, but it has to be www.networks.digital.com where
    the page you are looking for is titled "Virtual LANs and RMON
    Firmware for DEChub 900 Switches". It is dated April 5, 1996, abut 5
    weeks ago. Did the plug get pulled since then?
3538.5Discussion taken off line....NETCAD::BATTERSBYDon't use time/words carelesslyTue May 21 1996 11:177
    I looked at the fact sheet on the npb web page dealing with vlan
    and rmon upgrades, and there is no specific mention of which 
    switches can be upgraded to the full rmon (9 group) and which ones
    cannot.
    I'll take this off-line with you.
    
    Bob
3538.6NETCAD::GALLAGHERTue May 21 1996 11:2712
Furthermore, the "plug was pulled" not for technical reasons, but for
marketing/political reasons.

The argument goes that if we put full RMON is the PEswitch 900TX (aka PE 200)
then we'll be pressured to add it to the PE 2000 - and we're not prepared to
add it to the PE 2000 any time soon.  Having a cheaper, lower-end product 
(PE 200) which has additional capabilities over the high-end product (PE 2000)
is bad.

Per usual, if you question this decision please contact product management.

							-Shawn
3538.7?SCASS1::DAVIESMark, NPB Sales, Dallas,TXTue May 21 1996 14:0011
    re: .6
    
    The PE 2000 serioes will replace not only the PEswitch, but also ALL
    DECswitch 900 variations.  SO we will still have an environment where
    older products have more capability than new products (if Full RMON is
    not supported on the PE 2000 models).
    
    Regards,
    
    Mark