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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

3437.0. "Help finding duplicate addresses (DECnet)" by SCASS1::auodial1_port4.auo.dec.com::korns () Wed Apr 10 1996 16:28

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        Cross posted in HUB_MGNT & POLYCENTER NETVIEW conf

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A major DEChub 900 customer and a historical user of DECbridges
(100/150/200/500/600) has asked us about some functionality they
have lost with DEChub 900 switching modules from what they feel
they had with DECbridges and DECelms.

It seems that with DECelms (aka: RBMS at one time) they could 
use wild cards for bridge names and cause a command to be 
executed on all the bridges defined in the DECelms database.
They used this capability to search for duplicate addresses
on the extended LAN by entering a command (something like)
SHOW KNOWN PORTS ADDRESS MU-MB-LE-MU-MB-LE which would execute
on each bridge. This helped them see/find duplicate addresses.
Thinking about it, this must be DECnet-style MAC addresses
(i.e.; AA-00-04-mu-mb-le) that they are looking for, since it's 
impossible to have duplicate MAC physical addresses (right?).

They are un-happy that they cannot find a similar function with
DEChubs, DECswitches and HUBwatch. 

Can anyone suggest other ways to look for duplicate MAC addresses
as seen from multiple bridge/switches? I'm aware that HUBwatch 
has some kind of 'find address' application but I've never understood
in what devices (repeaters? switches?) it searches and/or I 
understand it to be within a single hub.

Is there any hack utility or features within POLYCENTER Netview that
can be used to hop thru a list of bridges looking for the existance
of a MAC address off of any of it's ports? Does the Netview SNMP
browser allow a macro operation like this on a group of agents? We're
certainly willing to write scripts to achieve this if necessary.

... or another way for this network management group to assure no 
duplicate DECnet addresses are allowed to be setup in a network?

Dave


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3437.1Data General sniffer can be an alternativeBACHUS::KNEUTSErwin Kneuts DTN 856-8726Thu Apr 11 1996 04:0311
I can not answer your basic question, but an alternative would be the 
"sniffer" from Data General.  The sniffer detects duplicates.

The mechanism is based on the interval between DECnet hello messages.
If 2 or more decnet nodes have the same address, they will all send DECnet hello
messages.  The probability that they will send these messages in sync, so that
the sniffer will see equal intervals between subsequent messages is very low. 
If the sniffer sees different intervals, it gives a warning that there are
duplicate addresses.

Erwin Kneuts