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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

3429.0. "Redundancy/Auto-partitioning" by IB002::PLATAS () Mon Apr 08 1996 08:25

    According to the Redundant Fiber-Optic Link Specifications, the Complex
    Redundant link configuration could be as follows:
    
    
    DECRepeater 900FP                       DECRepeater 90FS --
                                                              |
      Master Port ------------------------   Responder Port   |
                                                              |Thinwire
                                                              |(Multistack)
                                                              |
                                            DECRepeater 90FS --
                
      Master Port ------------------------   Responder Port
    
    
    And it is required that the master ports must reside on the same module.
    
    
    If we forget the redundancy specifications and we make the connection
    using 4 different modules, obviously we have an ethernet loop and as
    consequence of the collisions one segment is automatically
    Auto-partitioned. It this situation, one segment is working as "active"
    and the other is OFF because it has been autopartitioned. If the
    "active link" is broken the other link becomes active automatically. 
    In that case we should be able to have a "more complex (total)"
    redundant configuration. (My customer has tested this configuration and
    it works)
    
    - What is wrong?, Why it is not recommended? Why redundancy against
    automatic autopartitioning?. As I don't know how auto-partitioning
    works, I cannot answer all these questions?
    
    
    - By the way, Is it needed to assign an IP address to both DECrepeaters
    modules in order to configure the ports as responders (using HUBwatch)
    although both modules are in the same Multistack? Note: 2085 why?  
    
    
    
    Thanks in advance for your help,
    
    
    Jose Luis Platas
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3429.1Can't guarantee that it will workNETCAD::PAGLIARORich Pagliaro, Networks BU, HPNMon Apr 08 1996 10:5733
    There are a number of potential problems in using auto-partitioning to
    provide fault tolerance.  The main issue is that the resulting
    configuration can be unstable and is not deterministic. That is, you
    can't predict which ports (or how many ports) will auto-partition.
    Consider your example of using four modules connected in a loop and
    with redundancy not enabled.



    DECRepeater 900FP #1                 DECRepeater 90FS #1  --
                                                               |
      Port 1 -----------------------------  Port 1             |
      Port 2         Link 1                 Port 2             |Thinwire
       :                                    Port 3             |(Multistack)
+---- Port 12                                                  |
|                                        DECRepeater 90FS #2  --  Link 3
|    DECRepeater 900FP #2           
|      Port 1 ----------------------------- Port 1
|      Port 2        Link 2                 Port 2
|       :                                   Port 3
+---- Port 12


    If the above 90FS Thinwire ports auto-partition, this effectively makes
    the MultiStack thinwire segment unusable. Therefore, all of the modules
    in the stack will lose network connectivity with one another. This
    would be true if the 90FS's were configured in a DEChub 90 or DEChub
    900.
    

    -Rich
    
    
3429.2Thanks and two IP address?IB002::PLATASMon Apr 08 1996 12:3214
    
    Rich,
    
    
    Thanks a lot for your answer, I agree with you, this configuration is
    not stable and we cannot predict which ports and how many ports!!! will
    be partitioned.
    
    Regarding the second question is it required to assign two IP address
    for both repeaters althoght they are on the same Multistack in order to
    configure the responders ports? Why?
    
    
    Thanks again for your help.
3429.3NETCAD::DRAGONTue Apr 16 1996 10:2113
    
    Jose,
    
    	It is required that both repeaters have IP addresses assigned to
        them in order to configure the responder ports. The reason for this
        is that not all MIB support is provided for the repeaters via proxy
        access (stack master). This includes DPR support. Therefore, you
        must configure DPR by accessing the modules own SNMP agent.
    
        Sorry for late response. I was away.
    
    Regards,
    Bob