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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

3399.0. "enVISN Futures and related products" by PTOSS1::BROWN_M (MITCHELL BROWN @PTO) Mon Mar 25 1996 12:34

    I have been working with the State of Ohio's DYS facility; helping them
    to configure their network.  They are very interested in enterprise
    network management products, and are very favorably impressed with the
    envisn strategy.  However, their concern is that all the momentum in
    the network management space is going to the Windows NT world.  These
    people use Windows NT extensively - so they are not afraid of windows
    NT; Their concern is in the inability of their staff to conveniently
    manage multiple sites form multiple locations, including from home.
                                                      
    Is there any support for this kind of access?  They are not interested
    in MCC - they have been using it for years and are convinced that MCC
    will not be improved in the way the NT products are.  Is there any
    strategy that is in the works that will satisfy their needs?  
    
    Will these products be migrated to VMS under the affinity program?  
    
    The answer to that question is likely to have interesting reactions
    from customers.  I suspect that the answer is "no" at the moment. 
    Several customers I know of are suspicious of Digital's committment to
    the affinity program, and are not likely to trust the affinity scheme
    unless our NT products are migrated there as well.
                                                 
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3399.1No problem, and just plain "no"SLINK::HOODYour bad news bearMon Mar 25 1996 14:0213
I can answer some of your questions...

>    NT; Their concern is in the inability of their staff to conveniently
>    manage multiple sites form multiple locations, including from home.
No problem as long as they have IP access (through dial-in PPP, etc) which
allows SNMP to pass through.


>    Will these products be migrated to VMS under the affinity program?  
No.  HUBwatch V4.1 is the *last* *ever* clearVISN product for OpenVMS.

Tom Hood
Not the answerman, but I know Dotsie who is.
3399.2Sell 'em a DECserver (grin)PTOJJD::DANZAKPittsburgher �Tue Mar 26 1996 07:0552
    Oh no, Mitch - you've discovered this notesfile. (You should have asked
    me that on the phone the udder day.....or I thought I'd mentioned this
    but I may be going senile....)
    
    The direction that ALL the mainstream management stuff is going is
    Windows/NT. 
    
    As long as you have IP connectivity via whatever vehicle - you can
    manage the network.
    
    In the Digital space, there are things like the DECserver 90M and
    DECserver 900TM which the customer can use as "Network Access Servers". 
    We do NOT call them 'terminal servers' any more because they do SLIP,
    PPP, Appletalk, Kerberos, Novell, etc.  That is a TAD more than just
    RS232/terminal stuff - they really DO allow you to access the network
    remotely!
    
    We do NOT do the Microsoft proprietary Windows-for-workgroup RAS
    (remote *mumble* services) yet....dunno about Windows/NT RAS and the
    future....
    
    We ARE adding additional stuff like other security options for the
    DECservers in the near future.
    
    So - encourage them to re-use the network access servers that they have
    as modem-pools and IP servers.  Point out that the OTHER things like
    Shiva etc., for remote access often REQUIRE proprietary client-ends -
    where we are open and only require IP.
    
    In terms of Hubwatch - I believe that there will be  (tho it's not in
    stone):
       - A migration program to ENCOURAGE other customers to migrate to NT
         (Bill Gates will be pleased)
       - Segmenetation of Hubwatch into a real low-end stack only version
         and a high end manager type version
       - Additional products to manage virtual LANs
       - Things to do good things to routers
    
    "Hubwatch" will basically acquire some cousins which will do mid-level
    management - not as comprehensive as an 'enterprise' manager, but more
    full functioned and robust.
    
    Also there will be enhancements in the near future to provide more
    monitoring (RMON) support in the switches etc.  
    
    So....yes, there are LOTS of good things to talk about in the remote
    management area as well as where it's all going.  Catch me the next
    time (in 2000) when we're both in the office.
    
    Regards,
    j
    
3399.3Expansion: managing remote managers...PTOSS1::BROWN_MMITCHELL BROWN @PTOTue Mar 26 1996 16:5233
    
    Hmmmmm....
    
    Thanks for the info, all.  However, I'm afraid I wasn't quite explicit
    enough in my explanation of what I meant by "remote" management.  Hey -
    if communicating was easy, we wouldn't have anything to do.  
    
    Here is the issue (I hope):  The customer is considering the idea of
    setting up an NT station to handle the network management.  Really
    likes the enVISN product fact sheets.  Pretty impressive stuff.  
    
    The customer is VERY concerned with being able to alarm based on trap
    events, and monitoring relative changes in various MIB values.  As I
    understand it, the new ClearVisn Alarm product will handle this.  All
    well and good.
    
    How does the customer manage this one "management" station remotely? 
    He has about ten sites that have operational staff to monitor the
    network status for the site.  He needs to be able to have a network
    monitor/management station for each site, set up such that he can
    manage the "management" stations remotely.  This is simplicity itself
    in the VMS world (he's doing it today with MCC), but has no idea how to
    handle this situation in the NT space.
    
    Neither do I - other than suggesting he try a NT version of PC/Anywhere
    (which I haven't suggested, and don't plan to).  I can't imaging what
    that would be like over a dialup connection. :-)
    
    Jon - I'll call you.
    
    Thanks!
    
    Mitch