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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

2630.0. "Hub reboot-looses Ethernet SNA sessions" by PTOJJD::DANZAK (Pittsburgher �) Fri Aug 11 1995 11:12

    We upgraded the firmware of a production DEChub 900.  The hub did a
    reset/reboot and came up with the new FIRMWARE.  The hub had
    DECrepeater 900TMs in it and DECswitch 900EFs going to an FDDI
    backbone.
    
    ALL ETHERNET SNA TRAFFIC was dropped at the reboot. 
    
    SNA traffic over Ethernet is VERY time sensitive (worse than LAT) and
    at the SLIGHTEST burp dies.
    
    
    I understood that hub manager reboots would NOT drop/effect modules. Am
    I wrong? What'd the deal? 
    
    Thank!
    j
    ^--who rebooted CompUserve's production hubs with no bad FDDI stuff
    apparently....(grin)
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2630.1NETCAD::DOODYMichael DoodyFri Aug 11 1995 18:3211
    I'm not sure why you thought that. I think you got lucky with the
    Compuserve FDDI...
    
    The MAM will optimize the channel assignments at boot-time. If they
    were optimal already it won't go disconnecting things. But sometimes it
    will make the backplane ports go through a disconnect/reconnect cycle,
    should be around 1.5 seconds duration max. We'll be looking at this in
    the coming months to see if we can be more connection-friendly... this
    would be for V5 MAM.
    
    -Mike
2630.2Please quantify ...?PTOJJD::DANZAKPittsburgher �Sat Aug 12 1995 01:2621
    Why I thought that.....?
    
    Because we were told that the MAM was not actively engaged in
    connection management and, that if it died, the hub would continue in
    operation without any interruption.  Only new modules could not be
    inserted and power management could not be done (i.e. if things died
    etc.)
    
    The analogy that I used to describe this to customers is that it's like
    a switchboard operator, establishing a connection and then remaining
    passive during the conversation...and if the operator goes out for a
    bio break - the connections remain.
    
    So, exactly what is the failure mode of the MAM and how can we
    accurately describe it to customers?  I've upgraded MANY customers hubs
    while in operation with no ill effects.....we need to understand the
    parameters to describe/sell it accurately.
    
    Regards,
    j