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Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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2508.0. "RARP packet not crossing 10/100 bridge" by GIDDAY::CHONG (Andrew Chong - Sydney CSC ) Thu Jul 13 1995 01:42

Cross posted in FDDI, ARPA_INTERNET and HUB_MGNT conferences

Configuration:

	DECswitch900EF , PCs on ethernet , Ultrix(V4.4) stations on the
FDDI (DEFTA) . PCs boot using RARP to get IP addressing. Ultrix station 
is the RARP server. 


Problem: 

	RARP packets are not being responded to. Looks like the RARP packets
are not being passed to the FDDI ring. Packet filter on the Ultrix host is
set to promiscuous mode ( pfconfig +p +c -a ).

	A sniffer shows the RARP packets being sent but no response received. 

	When the Ultrix node was on the ethernet the PCs booted fine . 

	There are no filters set on the DECswitch. 

	Any idea what may be the cause of this problem ?

andrew
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2508.1Your question has been forwarded...stay tunedNETCAD::BATTERSBYThu Jul 13 1995 13:394
    I've extracted and have forwarded your note to someone who
    may be able to provide an answer....stay tuned.
    
    Bob
2508.2Having Problem with AppleTalk as well....GIDDAY::CHONGAndrew Chong - Sydney CSC Thu Jul 13 1995 19:2925
thanks Bob, the same site is having problem passing AppleTalk through the
DECswitch900EF as well. IP seens to have no problems. 



Configuration:


	DECswitch900EF (standalone unit) , FDDI port A connected to S port
	on the Ultrix Server.

	All the ethernet ports are utilized ( 2 AUI, 4 10baseT).

	Appletalk PahseII.

Apple talk Traversed ethernet segments fine but Ultrix server on FDDI cannot 
see any appleTalk traffic or RARP tarffic. When the Ultix was on the ethernet 
it all worked fine. 


This is a new DECswitch and there are no filters. 

Any ideas ?

andrew
2508.3Non-transparent translation for Appletalk ?GIDDAY::CHONGAndrew Chong - Sydney CSC Tue Jul 18 1995 02:3813
    
    Someone suggested that there could be a problem with translation of
    Appletalk ARP packets (protocol id 80-F3) if it was in the ethernet
    format to FDDI SNAP format with protocol id 00-00-F8-80-F3.
    
    I am not sure what version firmware is on the DECswitch 900EF but
    I would like to ask if this is a potential problem with the DECswitch ? 
    
    If so, is there a firmware version that fixes it ?
    
    Would RARP packet translation fall into the same caegorary ?
    
    andrew 
2508.4RARP - Interoperability Problem ?NETCAD::KRISHNATue Jul 18 1995 17:0325
    Andrew,
        Regarding both the problems - RARP and AppleTalk, has anybody
    monitored the FDDI ring to see if these packets have been forwarded by
    the bridge ?
    
    In the case of RARP if the packets are making it through on FDDI, there
    is a possibility that there is an interoperability problem. The RARP
    packet has a Hardware Type field which is 1 for Ethernet and 6 for IEEE
    802 Networks. Translation bridges do not change the hardware type when
    they translate RARP or ARP packets to FDDI format. Because of the
    problem of interoperabilty in a bridged environment, there is a RFC
    (RFC1390) which specifies that stations on FDDI should use 1 as the
    Hardware Type in ARP/RARP packets. If the Ultrix station is expecting a
    6 then the packets could be dropped because of invalid information.
    
    As far as AppleTalk goes, I have not heard of any problems in
    translating AppleTalk I & II in all our released firmware versions.
    RARP does not fall into the category of AppleTalk translation.
    
    If the RARP/AppleTalk packets are not making it to FDDI, then there is
    a problem with the bridge and we can try and isolate it.
    
    Hope this helps,
    Krishna
                                
2508.5type field is "probably" correctGIDDAY::CHONGAndrew Chong - Sydney CSC Tue Jul 18 1995 19:4317
    
    Krishna,
    
    We do not have the tools to monitor the FDDI ring. 
    
    In the case of RARP, how can I find out if the the type field is 1 or
    6 as I don't have any means of tracing the FDDI ? In any case this is
    not a user controllable parameter. AS IP is working, I would expect
    that ARP packets are getting through and therefore (by logical
    deduction) I assume the type field should be correct. 
    
    I am organising a DECbridge600 to replace the DECswitch900EF just 
    to see if the Switch has a problem. 
    
    Thanks for your reply. 
    
    andrew