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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

2481.0. "RMON probe and FDDI" by UTRTSC::GROOT_R (Ronald de Groot) Thu Jul 06 1995 11:17

    Hello,
    
    I have some quistions about the DECswitch 900EF with switch & RMON probe
    on same module. When this comes out, firmware upgrade?, is it then also
    possible to use the probe on FDDI? with probewatch 3.x to monitor FDDI?
    Two customers ask me that already today.
    
    Ronald 
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2481.1NETCAD::ANILThu Jul 06 1995 18:219
    Yes, there is a firmware upgrade planned for full RMON probe capability
    similar to the Probe 90 for the DECswitch, at an additional cost.  No, it
    will not be usable for monitoring FDDI (at least for now); only for its
    Ethernet ports.  The RMON standard currently in place is somewhat
    Ethernet-centric -- it does not contain management objects specific to
    FDDI.  (While some of the RMON groups are independant of LAN type,
    we don't have plans to implement these for the FDDI for now.)
    
    Anil
2481.2STRWRS::KOCH_PIt never hurts to ask...Thu Jul 06 1995 22:187
    
    Anil,
    
    	I'm concerned about the statement for an additional cost for RMON.
    It is my understanding from my customers who are considering other
    vendors that they are offering RMON as a feature, not a cost. What do
    your sources tell you about this?
2481.3Some RMON for free.NETCAD::GALLAGHERFri Jul 07 1995 09:5215
In addition to the full RMON (and then some) capability Anil described
the switch will implement 4 RMON groups for free.  These are the Alarm,
Event, Ethernet Statistics, and Ethernet History groups.  These groups
are usable on any/all of the Ethernet ports.  And again, they will be
available at no additional cost.  This feature makes for a highly manageable
switch.  It is not a "probe".  Switching performance is not degraded by
this feature.  (And since this feature is not available yet, it's subject 
to change.  No schedule is available.)

As for marketing information, I've heard that cisco sell probe upgrades
for their switches.  I've read about other vendors doing this as well,
but I don't remember the company's name.  If anyone is aware of *full*
RMON being offered for free on a switch, please let us know.

						-Shawn
2481.4some questionsDAIVC::IVANWed Sep 13 1995 05:3317
    I have some questions:
    
    What do you mean by "full RMON"? My understanding is that
    RMON groups for Ethernet are: Statistics, History, Alarm, Host,
    Host Top-N, Matrix, Filter, Packet Capture, and Event.
    
    When will the upgrade be available?
    
    Is it true that RMON capability cannot exist with routing option
    because of the limitation in memory? Our customer needs routing
    as well as RMON :(
    
    You wrote: "it is not a probe". Does it mean that we cannot use
    PROBEwatch to retrieve the value of the RMON group in the switch?
    
    
    Ivan
2481.5some answers...NAC::FORRESTFri Sep 15 1995 16:2023
    >    What do you mean by "full RMON"? My understanding is that
    >    RMON groups for Ethernet are: Statistics, History, Alarm, Host,
    >    Host Top-N, Matrix, Filter, Packet Capture, and Event.
    
    By full RMON, we mean all 9 groups plus Frontier-specific MIB
    additions.
    
    >    When will the upgrade be available?
    
    see NAC::NIPG:[MANAGE]STATUS.TXT
        
    >    Is it true that RMON capability cannot exist with routing option
    >    because of the limitation in memory? Our customer needs routing
    >    as well as RMON :(
        
    That is true, sorry.
    
        You wrote: "it is not a probe". Does it mean that we cannot use
        PROBEwatch to retrieve the value of the RMON group in the switch?
    
    You will need to use PROBEwatch with the full RMON option, but you can
    use HUBwatch just for the 4 groups of Stats, History, Alarms, Events.