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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

2299.0. "900EF going nonlinear" by CSC32::D_HIGHLAND () Fri May 19 1995 19:20

    A customer of mine has 4 DECswitch 900EF's connected to a
    DECconcentrator 900MX off FDDI.  Mysteriously, over the last two
    nights, they all went into an abnormal state where they appeared to 
    have lost or corrupted their bridging tables, and became unreachable
    thru HUBwatch.  Only by power cycling them did things go back to
    normal.
    
    This apparently started when they added a Novell "mirror server"
    to the ring.  This uses SNAP SAP with 81-37 protocol type.
    
    They removed the server last night and never saw a problem.  has anyone
    seen anything close to this, or know what could cause the EF's to act
    in such a way?
    
    900EF version 1.4
    Novell V 4.1
    
    Servers are running DEFEA cards, version unknown.
    
    Dave
    
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2299.1cache setting on the pc ?NETCAD::KRISHNATue May 23 1995 15:3021
    We have seen problems with ceratin PCs running Windows NT that were
    spraying randomly addressed packets in the network that was causing our
    DECswitches to behave wierdly.
    
    From what I have heard  the problem in the PC is due to an
    incorrect Cache setting. The cache setting on the PC should be Write
    Through and NOT Write Back. If the cache is setup for Write Back and if
    you have Bus Master DMA Adapters (I believe DEFEA is one), the adpater
    DMAs garbage out of the Transmit memory and you see the strange packets
    on the network. I do not know how you change the cache setting on the
    PC, you may have to read the manual or consult an expert.
    
    In the meantime, we have added extra hooks on the DECswitch firmware to
    prevent them from being affected by these packets. This will be
    available in the next Hub relase due to be out soon. Please note that
    with the new firmware, the bridge behaves well but the network
    performance is going to stink because of the garbage out there. So it
    would be in the best interest to try and prevent the PCs from sending
    out the junk. Let us know if the above fix works.
    
    Krishna
2299.2IPX Status Check PacketsCSC32::D_HIGHLANDWed May 24 1995 18:5715
    An update from the customer...He has been working this with Novell as
    well, and they recommended disabling "Status Check Packets." 
    Apparently, with this enabled, status packets are broadcasted every
    second.  these have a SNAP type field of 00-00.  This somehow has a
    negative influence on the ethernet length field, screwing up the whole
    data format.
    
    They have disabled this for now, and I will post any results once
    I get them.
    
    BTW;  they do have a few NT systems on ethernet...they will check the 
    cache status.
    
    Dave
    
2299.3updateCSC32::D_HIGHLANDThu Jun 15 1995 13:5530
    update;
    
    While monitoring the ring, customer has made the following
    observations;
    
    every now and then they detect a pause in traffic, following by
    multicast of spanning tree from the EF, then either a mode change,
    or the same packet type will continue untill the next pause.
    
    Mode changes consist of three types;
    
    1. Translates into ether2 with packet type of 0.
    
    2. Passes as a SNAP with no traslation directly from FDDI to ethernet.
    
    3. Translates as 802.3 raw.
    
    
    Another observation, this only seems to occur while running NLSP...
    Novells version of OSPF.
    
    If the customer turns off Status Check Packets and or NLSP, things seem
    to operate smoothly.
    
    Novell engineering is invloved, I am posting this as an FYI, however,
    I understand that the latest release of firmware will make the EF more
    robust to this kind of interference.
    
    Dave