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Conference netcad::hub_mgnt

Title:DEChub/HUBwatch/PROBEwatch CONFERENCE
Notice:Firmware -2, Doc -3, Power -4, HW kits -5, firm load -6&7
Moderator:NETCAD::COLELLADT
Created:Wed Nov 13 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:4455
Total number of notes:16761

2213.0. "Different Frame types support In Bridge EF" by XKOV01::RREDDY () Tue Apr 25 1995 06:04

    We have faced the problem related to DEC hub 900 configuring. The
    description is as follows:
    
    	The configurations is = DEC Hub 900 MS with DEC Bridge 900EF
    and DECRepeater 900TM 3 nos. Customer wants to have three LANS with
    each one consisting of one DEC Repeater 900 TM  and one Bridge port
    configured via flex LAN using Hub Watch. Customer environment is a mix
    of TCP/IP servers and Novell servers..
    The frame type configured in novell system and clients are 802.2, 802.3
    Ethernet v2 .
    
    We have created the lans using Hubwatch for windows ver 3.1 with one
    repeater 900tm and one bridge port forming one flex lan .
    
    With this envoronment the clients are not able to connect to the novell
    server.We have tried with both Raw IPX disabled and enabled in Bridge.
    
    Customer would like to use various mix of frame types since he has some
    systems which supports only 802.3 type.
    
	Pls do suggest the solutions if the problem has already been faced
    or the areas where we need to look in to to resolve the same.
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2213.1Anybody care to answer?CMOTEC::CHOIShaking and MovingFri May 12 1995 14:0726
    Hi,
    
    Nobody seems to have answered the basenote - perhaps I'll be luckier!
    
    My customer has a similar problem.  He has a few separate ethernet LANs 
    which he wants to join via an FDDI ring.  However, the LANs have a
    variety of Ethernet traffic on them and he is concerned to know whether
    the various frame types will be translated to and from FDDI correctly.
    
    His Ethernet frame types are:
    	- Ethernet Type II
    	- 802.2 + 802.3
    	- 802.2 + snap
        - raw 802.3 (IPX)
    
    Can someone give me details as to how each of these frame types are
    translated to FDDI, and how those frame types are translated back to
    Ethernet?
    
    Bottom-line: Will the translation work correctly 
                 Ethernet -> FDDI -> Ethernet?
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    Clinton
2213.2NETCAD::B_CRONINFri May 12 1995 15:3635
    
    Bottom line:
    
    	As long as there is no mixing of raw IPX with other IPX
    datalink types on the same bridge it will work correctly.
    
    Towards the FDDI, the bridges will do the following:
    
    The bridges will snap encapsulate the enet type 2 traffic with an OUI
    of 00-00-00. The 802.2+802.3 traffic will go through as 802.2 traffic, 
    the SNAP traffic will go through SNAP encapsulated with the OUI in the 
    SNAP. Raw 802.3 will either go through looking like 802.2 with SAPs
    of FF, or, if the switch is on, it will be SNAP encapsulated with a
    type of 81-37. 
    
    
    Coming off the FDDI, 
    
    The bridges will turn the snap encapsulated enet type 2 traffic 
    into enet frames. The 802.2+802.3 traffic will be turned back into 
    802.2+802.3 traffic. The SNAP traffic will go through SNAP encapsulated 
    with the OUI seen in the SNAP. Raw 802.3 seen on the FDDI (i.e. sap =FF) 
    will go through as RAW 802.3. Raw 802.3 that was SNAP encapsulated on the
    FDDI will be turned back into raw 802.3 if the switch is on, or
    forwarded as enet type 2 with with a type of 81-37 if the switch is 
    off. 
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
2213.3One more thing!CMOTEC::CHOIShaking and MovingTue May 23 1995 08:1529
    Hello again.
    
    Thanks for the full reply.
    
    I've had a chance to think about this and would like one further
    clarification.
    
    Assuming the switch to convert 802.3 raw is on, how does the 
    FDDI->Ethernet bridge decide to convert a snap FDDI frame?  
    
    It can obviously convert to one of:
       - 802.3 raw or 
       - 802.2+snap or
       - Enet Type II.
    
    Now, I assume if it sees an OUI of 00-00-00, it knows to convert back to 
    Enet type II, but how does it distinguish between the other two cases?
    
    Specifically, how does it tell between IPX traffic that was originally 
    raw 802.3 and IPX traffic that was (802.2 + snap)?
    
    I would assume that the type for both these cases will be 81-37.  If
    so, will it decide based on the OUI?  If so, what are the values of the
    OUI?
    
    Sorry to be picky, but the customer just wants to be absolutely sure...
    
    
    Clinton
2213.4NETCAD::B_CRONINTue May 23 1995 12:1316
    
    The bridge makes an either/or decision on what to do when it sees
    the SNAP with an 81-37 protocol type. It assumes that all stations
    connected to this bridge want to talk in either raw 802.3 or ethernet 
    format, but not both. 
    
    If the CSMA/CD segments are running raw 802.3 format, the switch will 
    be set for raw 802.3 mode enabled, and all packets on the FDDI will be 
    converted to raw 802.3. If the switch is set to disabled, all of them
    will be converted to Ethernet frame format. 
    
    If I understand your question correctly, I'd also add that there is no 
    need for the receiving station to know what format was used 
    by the originating station. In fact, this allows a limited amount of
    mix and match to occur, as long as the mix and match is per bridge, 
    not per segment.